For this season, winning the games just to say you won the games is essentially meaningless. The circumstances and factors for this year does not mean that would apply to any or all other situations. 

For example, Burrow got injured last year and missed the end of the season. Would the Bengals have benefited if they had kept Andy Dalton to win 3-4 of those games after Burrow was out?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5-iJUuPWis

So you are arguing that last year Jags made a mistake going 1-15 instead of say 3-13?

That press conference was after his 10-6 team started 2-5 the next year. After that PC, they still made the playoffs and won a WC game.

If you legitimately believe Minshew could win 4-6 games to get them into the playoff race after a T-Law injury, then he makes sense. If not, he would not as helpful as you make out.

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The question is trade value vs insurance. Does he provide more value as trade bait or as insurance if, God forbid, Lawrence goes down with an injury? Who would you rather have leading the team in that event, Minshew or Beathard? I'll take Minshew because for one, I can't think of a better available player as backup. And two, I don't think his trade value is worth more than his value as a backup QB.

I'm confused. Insurance for what?

For the the season, this teams' record is an unimportant bellwether. The most important thing for this team is T-Law's development, and secondly for the coaching staff to prove they have reasonable system and can develop players. Now if those things happen, of course they will win more games. But given their schedule, even a 4 or 5 win season could still have great signs of team improvement.

The best thing for the the back up QB is to help T-Law understand whatever system is being implemented, the reads that he needs to know, the defenses he will be facing, etc. Also for all the "but Bethard is a bad QB", well lots of bad or mediocre QB's and players become great coaches. If Minshew is that guy, great; but if not, then he is expendable.

If Lawrence (knock on wood) does get injured, having a QB who has the best chance to win a few meaningless games this season doesn't really matter.

Yeah, it's not like they are shoring up for a championship run this season.  A wise veteran (who knows he's not going to be given a truly fair shot at winning the starting job), is a more common choice to back up a #1 overall.  Minshew could be too much of a perceived "up and comer" without too much experience anyway.

So if Trevor Lawrence gets injured, all games afterward are meaningless?

For this season, winning the games just to say you won the games is essentially meaningless. The circumstances and factors for this year does not mean that would apply to any or all other situations. 

For example, Burrow got injured last year and missed the end of the season. Would the Bengals have benefited if they had kept Andy Dalton to win 3-4 of those games after Burrow was out?

Yeah let's keep tanking every year until the teams is ready. BAD idea. It's time to compete now.

Is anyone talking about tanking? The reality is that if Lawrence goes down the season is screwed. This is true for virtually all teams that you can't lose your franchise QB for a long period of time and still expect to win a lot. 

I don't pretend to know about backup QB's what kind of people they are. I just know a bit about Minshew's public image and mostly nothing about Beathard. If either can be a good mentor/aspiring coach type I'm not too upset that he's a below average starter. We don't expect them to be anything else. 

It just goes to prove that priority 1, 2, 3 and on will be to protect Trevor. Don't risk him with playcalling, don't risk him by having the O-line being trash etc.

Ya'll better not let Urban Meyer hear all these theories on giving up if Trevor goes down.

I've been assured by many fans here that he :

• Is building a WINNING culture here
  
• All he does is WIN
  
• Has surrounded himself with WINNING coaches and players 
  
• And he is, in fact, simply a WINNER
  

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I think Minshew is probably the best backup option, but I bet they get an offer they deem worthy for him by September.

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Ya'll better not let Urban Meyer hear all these theories on giving up if Trevor goes down.

I've been assured by many fans here that he :

• Is building a WINNING culture here
  
• All he does is WIN
  
• Has surrounded himself with WINNING coaches and players 
  
• And he is, in fact, simply a WINNER
  

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I think Minshew is probably the best backup option, but I bet they get an offer they deem worthy for him by September.

In my case it's not so much giving up as realizing that the backup isn't going to be as good. Of course, if the backup is Nick Foles then anything can happen.

We know what Minshew can do and it's not enough. If he's better this season then I still don't know if it's on Meyer or Marrone.

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Ya'll better not let Urban Meyer hear all these theories on giving up if Trevor goes down.

I've been assured by many fans here that he :

• Is building a WINNING culture here
  
• All he does is WIN
  
• Has surrounded himself with WINNING coaches and players 
  
• And he is, in fact, simply a WINNER
  

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I think Minshew is probably the best backup option, but I bet they get an offer they deem worthy for him by September.

In my case it's not so much giving up as realizing that the backup isn't going to be as good. Of course, if the backup is Nick Foles then anything can happen.

We know what Minshew can do and it's not enough. If he's better this season then I still don't know if it's on Meyer or Marrone.

I'll bet you 8 million dollars Pederson didn't think Nock Foles was gonna come any where close to pulling off what he did. 

Saying that having the best possible backup this year doesn't matter is a defeatist attitude that is incongruent with everything the HC has been saying and that his acolytes say about him. 

No, I don't think Minshew is going to win 6 of 7 to take us to the SB after Trevor gets hurt, but I do want the best possible roster depth at every position.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5-iJUuPWis

So you are arguing that last year Jags made a mistake going 1-15 instead of say 3-13?

That press conference was after his 10-6 team started 2-5 the next year. After that PC, they still made the playoffs and won a WC game.

If you legitimately believe Minshew could win 4-6 games to get them into the playoff race after a T-Law injury, then he makes sense. If not, he would not as helpful as you make out.

No.  I am arguing that your point of winning games is "meaningless" is stupid.  Professional athletes play the game to win... period.  It doesn't matter what the record of the team is.  Every time they take the field to play a game it's to win.  That should always be the goal.  As a fan I expect that regardless of the record or what players might be injured.  The goal of playing the game should always be to win.  If they (the players) don't think it matters, then they need to get out of the sport.  That's what Herm Edwards was saying and it certainly applies.

That's why I used to get infuriated with "fans" of the team hoping they would "lose out" towards the end of last season in order to get the #1 pick.  A true professional athlete never plays to lose and if they do they are not professional.

Always play to win no matter what.  That's what I expect.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

So you are arguing that last year Jags made a mistake going 1-15 instead of say 3-13?

That press conference was after his 10-6 team started 2-5 the next year. After that PC, they still made the playoffs and won a WC game.

If you legitimately believe Minshew could win 4-6 games to get them into the playoff race after a T-Law injury, then he makes sense. If not, he would not as helpful as you make out.

No.  I am arguing that your point of winning games is "meaningless" is stupid.  Professional athletes play the game to win... period.  It doesn't matter what the record of the team is.  Every time they take the field to play a game it's to win.  That should always be the goal.  As a fan I expect that regardless of the record or what players might be injured.  The goal of playing the game should always be to win.  If they (the players) don't think it matters, then they need to get out of the sport.  That's what Herm Edwards was saying and it certainly applies.

That's why I used to get infuriated with "fans" of the team hoping they would "lose out" towards the end of last season in order to get the #1 pick.  A true professional athlete never plays to lose and if they do they are not professional.

Always play to win no matter what.  That's what I expect.

My comment is not referring to the athletes mindset but the GM's team building mindset. I'm well aware that who is on the field and sidelines will do whatever they can to win.

Y'all keep talking about keeping Minshew is optimal in order to win a few games if T-Law gets hurt, but that is not how most GM's view the back up QB position. If back up QBs were that highly considered, they would generally be much more sought. A few teams go after proven, quality back up QB's but not most. 

Plus after last season, what makes y'all believe so completely that Minshew would be that guy? If the league really thought he was, wouldn't someone would have offered a higher pick to trade for Minshew given that possibility and his cheap contract.

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No.  I am arguing that your point of winning games is "meaningless" is stupid.  Professional athletes play the game to win... period.  It doesn't matter what the record of the team is.  Every time they take the field to play a game it's to win.  That should always be the goal.  As a fan I expect that regardless of the record or what players might be injured.  The goal of playing the game should always be to win.  If they (the players) don't think it matters, then they need to get out of the sport.  That's what Herm Edwards was saying and it certainly applies.

That's why I used to get infuriated with "fans" of the team hoping they would "lose out" towards the end of last season in order to get the #1 pick.  A true professional athlete never plays to lose and if they do they are not professional.

Always play to win no matter what.  That's what I expect.

My comment is not referring to the athletes mindset but the GM's team building mindset. I'm well aware that who is on the field and sidelines will do whatever they can to win.

Y'all keep talking about keeping Minshew is optimal in order to win a few games if T-Law gets hurt, but that is not how most GM's view the back up QB position. If back up QBs were that highly considered, they would generally be much more sought. A few teams go after proven, quality back up QB's but not most. 

Plus after last season, what makes y'all believe so completely that Minshew would be that guy? If the league really thought he was, wouldn't someone would have offered a higher pick to trade for Minshew given that possibility and his cheap contract.

Personally, I’m just saying “keep the best #2” not espousing some belief he’s “that guy.”

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Minshew gonna light up preseason.

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Minshew gonna light up preseason.

If he does, the trade offers will likely move him elsewhere.

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My comment is not referring to the athletes mindset but the GM's team building mindset. I'm well aware that who is on the field and sidelines will do whatever they can to win.

Y'all keep talking about keeping Minshew is optimal in order to win a few games if T-Law gets hurt, but that is not how most GM's view the back up QB position. If back up QBs were that highly considered, they would generally be much more sought. A few teams go after proven, quality back up QB's but not most. 

Plus after last season, what makes y'all believe so completely that Minshew would be that guy? If the league really thought he was, wouldn't someone would have offered a higher pick to trade for Minshew given that possibility and his cheap contract.

Personally, I’m just saying “keep the best #2” not espousing some belief he’s “that guy.”

That's my point. We are running a difference offensive system than last year. Why are so certain Minshew would be the 2nd best guy in the new system?

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Personally, I’m just saying “keep the best #2” not espousing some belief he’s “that guy.”

That's my point. We are running a difference offensive system than last year. Why are so certain Minshew would be the 2nd best guy in the new system?

Because every talking head that’s attended OTAs is shouting from the rooftops that he looks head and shoulders above the others.

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Some people on Twitter who have sources connected to the Jags were saying that they have been telling teams "no" when it comes to trade offers for Gardner so far. One of them Bold city cap said that he heard that three teams made four separate offers for Gardner early on. 

https://twitter.com/BoldCityCap/status/1...2140175361

It looks like at least one team made two different offers for him. I wonder if that team was the Eagles, who just signed Nick Mullens as their 3rd QB. Speaking of Nick I have always liked him and think he is one of the best backup QBs in the league. I would have preferred the Jags have signed him instead of CJ (if they intend on moving Gardner at some point):

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Minshew might be the league's best back up qb, but who is he better than in the entire nfl to be a starter? Let's be honest about it. It's best to keep him for insurance at least for this season. Dont force a stupid trade where you get a nothing late round pick. He has more value as a back up unless you get a deal you cant refuse.

The question is trade value vs insurance. Does he provide more value as trade bait or as insurance if, God forbid, Lawrence goes down with an injury? Who would you rather have leading the team in that event, Minshew or Beathard? I'll take Minshew because for one, I can't think of a better available player as backup. And two, I don't think his trade value is worth more than his value as a backup QB.

Trade and insurance are both fluctuating values that can swing dramatically, especially after the regular season begins.  A 5-1 team with a weak backup loses it's starter for the season and his trade value soars.  Conversely, if we're struggling at 1-5 with Lawrence, how important is the #2 guy?  Any trade made today could become a blunder or a steal, depending on how the season unfolds.

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

Also if
Also if t-law goes down, it doesn't have to be for the rest of the season.  He might be hurt of a couple of games or 4. This is all hypothesis. The point is that you want a Minshew, so you can at least have some faith that your back up will hold you down for a couple of games to possibly save your season if the jags are having a good one until t-law came back. That just in case is so important. Dont take any season for granted. That is what good insurance is for.

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Ya'll better not let Urban Meyer hear all these theories on giving up if Trevor goes down.

I've been assured by many fans here that he :

• Is building a WINNING culture here
  
• All he does is WIN
  
• Has surrounded himself with WINNING coaches and players 
  
• And he is, in fact, simply a WINNER
  

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I think Minshew is probably the best backup option, but I bet they get an offer they deem worthy for him by September.

I think you mean WINshew.

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That's my point. We are running a difference offensive system than last year. Why are so certain Minshew would be the 2nd best guy in the new system?

Because every talking head that’s attended OTAs is shouting from the rooftops that he looks head and shoulders above the others.

This is what I don't get NYC. Of course Lawrence is the starter but it seems irrelevant to some people how well Minshew does. They either just dont like him or judge him on his draft pick.

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Ya'll better not let Urban Meyer hear all these theories on giving up if Trevor goes down.

I've been assured by many fans here that he :

• Is building a WINNING culture here
  
• All he does is WIN
  
• Has surrounded himself with WINNING coaches and players 
  
• And he is, in fact, simply a WINNER
  

Many fans apply that to Tebow as well so we should be unstoppable with or without Trevor.

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I guess Minshew is the starter until Lawrence is 100%.

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Rob Johnson = Fred Taylor, can lighting strike twice for us? It would be sweet

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

It's not that you tank if Trevor goes down. But you do have to make some decisions on priorities -- every decision you make affects the dollars spent under the cap, the future draft picks you will have, etc. Minshew is not a grizzled veteran, he is young quarterback with a future. Most teams with a #1 pick quarterback will prioritize his development (whatever that means). They do not prioritize winning a championship in his rookie season. They want a quarterback that is most compatible with the climate of developing that young #1 pick -- like a veteran that brings stability to the film room or the practice field. If Minshew has no trade value, it's a moot point. But if he has trade value, you might prioritize Trevor's development over the idea of winning if he goes down.

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