He under threw it.  The receiver had to wait on the ball for a split second and was enough for the defender to get there.

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You want and insane stat!

Lawrence may not break 10 passing TD's in a 17 game season.  Simply outrageous this is a possibility in week 16

Man. You really have no idea what you’re talking about.

That was a TD that was dropped. Not the one that was called for PI but the one that was literally dropped into the belly of the WR and he dropped it.

You love to call people fan boys for defending a rookie QB who has had an uphill battle all season with the worst HC in NFL history and absolutely no playmakers. However, you can’t see good throws or good plays when they actually happen.

When Trevor ends up being really good, do us all a favor and don’t post. Because I for sure won’t forget and will remind you…. Just like when Ronster boycotted.

Loser.

Treadwell HAS to catch this football. No excuse.
https://twitter.com/E_Dilla/status/1475184122922426373

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If Lawrence stinks it up next year they need to be looking for a bargain deal in 2023.

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Thats the million dollar question.  Many have blind loyalty to Lawrence and just assume he is going to be the franchise QB.   I am getting serious Joe Flacco vibes from Lawrence.  This pass off-season is going to be a huge crossroads for Lawrence.  Just like meyer, if he continues to struggle to hit easy passes it's time to admit the mistake and cur our losses just like Meyer.  It would not be the first time the media hyped up a "can't miss" prospect only for him to fail in the NFL.  

My Jaguar motto:  Hope for the best but expect the worst.  It's words to live by as a Jags fan.

You mean the QB who had an epic playoff run to win a SB, at least 1 playoff win his first 5 years, and only 1 losing season his first 10 seasons?

Sure, he had good or great defenses most of those years and a good running game that covered his poor showings especially year 1 and 2, but every good SB or yearly contending team needs those things -- even teams with Mahomes, Brady, and Rodgers at QB.

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Some of you all are overly hostile toward people who don't share your optimism and point out basic facts.

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Taken from https://www.nfl.com/news/2021-nfl-season...ay-s-games

1.  What is wrong with Trevor Lawrence? Rookie quarterback seasons come in all kinds of shapes and sizes and involve too many variables beyond a signal-caller's control to draw any sweeping conclusions before Year 1 is over. Even the biggest cynic of Lawrence, however, must be surprised with how much he's struggled. Lawrence failed to throw a touchdown for the fourth game in a row and the seventh time in eight contests. The 2021 No. 1 overall pick did manage to lead three scoring drives of 70-plus yards and guided the offense 74 yards in the final minute, thanks in part to a 26-yard scramble, only for things to stall at the 1-yard line. While he flashed the sterling physical tools, he often wasn't poised or careful with the football. He also hasn't been particularly accurate this year. These are all areas in which he excelled at Clemson. That's concerning, and it goes beyond subpar pass protection and receiver play. A date with one of the worst defenses in the league was a prime opportunity to demonstrate growth, but Lawrence appears to be regressing.

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Thats the million dollar question.  Many have blind loyalty to Lawrence and just assume he is going to be the franchise QB.   I am getting serious Joe Flacco vibes from Lawrence.  This pass off-season is going to be a huge crossroads for Lawrence.  Just like meyer, if he continues to struggle to hit easy passes it's time to admit the mistake and cur our losses just like Meyer.  It would not be the first time the media hyped up a "can't miss" prospect only for him to fail in the NFL.  

My Jaguar motto:  Hope for the best but expect the worst.  It's words to live by as a Jags fan.

So really all you see is what you expect to see. Pity.

I see what it is.  Could he improve?  Sure?  Will he?  Nobody can say.  I see the product on the field and it's real bad.

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Some of you all are overly hostile toward people who don't share your optimism pessimism and point out basic facts.

FTFY

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Trevor had some dang good throws today and very nearly pulled off the comeback. His defense and special teams let him down big time.

The facts are of course that he still a rookie and learning, while in a cesspool of a roster. I will refer back to bullseyes post as he hit the nail on the head as to why the trolls in this thread are so off base it’s not even amusing.

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Requoting as not one of these single trolls and idiots has come even close to mounting a cogent argument to counter this post, or even overcome the simple fact that Trevor is a god dang rookie

Dude you are a serious Lawrence Jock rider.   You come off as a total blind fanboy and fail to see the product on the field.

In the last 2 weeks alone he should of had 3 passing TD's but he flat out misses receivers.   Yes he is a rookie but with a rookie you want to see growth.   All I see is regression.  He looked mediocre against a bad jets team missing lots of starters.  There is a lot more evidence that supports my argument he is an overated player who may not be a good QB vs your everything wrong is a rookie excuse agenda.   Open your eyes!

He’s up and down because that’s what rookies do! 

Again, you haven’t answered a single point against bullseyes excellent dissertation. If other elite and good QBs in the past have struggled as rookies, as bad as Trevor, due to a poor starting cast, what gives you the smarts (idiocy in all actuality ) to make a permanent judgement call? 

You can’t. You’re so eager to be right and hope he fails so you look right that you can’t be patient and let it ride out.

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Love this quote from the article: https://www.nfl.com/news/2021-nfl-season...ay-s-games


While he flashed the sterling physical tools, he often wasn't poised or careful with the football. He also hasn't been particularly accurate this year. These are all areas in which he excelled at Clemson. That's concerning, and it goes beyond subpar pass protection and receiver play. A date with one of the worst defenses in the league was a prime opportunity to demonstrate growth, but Lawrence appears to be regressing.

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Some of you all are overly hostile toward people who don't share your optimism and point out basic facts.

Welcome to 80+ million Americans, if you catch my drift. Certain people can't disagree without someone blowing a mental fuse. Trevor has objectively played terrible football. Has his WRs dropped some good balls? Yes. Has he had some god awful throws any decent QB has no business throwing? Yes. When I put his tape on, I see Blaine Gabbert. This can change, he's more athletic and has a nice arm, does things you can't teach... But he sacks himself, lacks timing, doesn't set his feet/gets skittish at times, doesn't see the field well, and very inaccurate at times. Those are facts now, there is tape to prove it. Call anonymous people losers on the internet(real adult like, I know) all you want, the fact is Trevor has been underwhelming as a rookie. He can turn it around, but stating that he's bad right now should by no means result in name calling.

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He cant even get some garbage time TD's...

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Some of you all are overly hostile toward people who don't share your optimism and point out basic facts.

Welcome to 80+ million Americans, if you catch my drift. Certain people can't disagree without someone blowing a mental fuse. Trevor has objectively played terrible football. Has his WRs dropped some good balls? Yes. Has he had some god awful throws any decent QB has no business throwing? Yes. When I put his tape on, I see Blaine Gabbert. This can change, he's more athletic and has a nice arm, does things you can't teach... But he sacks himself, lacks timing, doesn't set his feet/gets skittish at times, doesn't see the field well, and very inaccurate at times. Those are facts now, there is tape to prove it. Call anonymous people losers on the internet(real adult like, I know) all you want, the fact is Trevor has been underwhelming as a rookie. He can turn it around, but stating that he's bad right now should by no means result in name calling.

If you continually make brand new threads to continue to call Trevor a bum and a bust, that makes you a loser. 

No one is saying Trevor is playing great. Far from it. He makes bad throws. His spin moves out of the pocket need to stop. They’re helping no one.

However, some context is always needed and the FACTS are that he has been held back since day 1. A fake HC. A fake QB competition. No playmakers. Bad play calling and just overall a bad environment. 

This isn’t to say it’s everyone’s fault except Trevor’s. He certainly has some blame here but he’s also a rookie. Playing for a team that was 1-15 last year and had a HC who literally left every day at 5. 

So rather than make a new thread every time Trevor makes a bad play or throw, let’s look at the bigger picture. Trevor has all the tools needed to be the guy. He just needs some help…. Like all good young QBs need.

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Welcome to 80+ million Americans, if you catch my drift. Certain people can't disagree without someone blowing a mental fuse. Trevor has objectively played terrible football. Has his WRs dropped some good balls? Yes. Has he had some god awful throws any decent QB has no business throwing? Yes. When I put his tape on, I see Blaine Gabbert. This can change, he's more athletic and has a nice arm, does things you can't teach... But he sacks himself, lacks timing, doesn't set his feet/gets skittish at times, doesn't see the field well, and very inaccurate at times. Those are facts now, there is tape to prove it. Call anonymous people losers on the internet(real adult like, I know) all you want, the fact is Trevor has been underwhelming as a rookie. He can turn it around, but stating that he's bad right now should by no means result in name calling.

If you continually make brand new threads to continue to call Trevor a bum and a bust, that makes you a loser. 

No one is saying Trevor is playing great. Far from it. He makes bad throws. His spin moves out of the pocket need to stop. They’re helping no one.

However, some context is always needed and the FACTS are that he has been held back since day 1. A fake HC. A fake QB competition. No playmakers. Bad play calling and just overall a bad environment. 

This isn’t to say it’s everyone’s fault except Trevor’s. He certainly has some blame here but he’s also a rookie. Playing for a team that was 1-15 last year and had a HC who literally left every day at 5. 

So rather than make a new thread every time Trevor makes a bad play or throw, let’s look at the bigger picture. Trevor has all the tools needed to be the guy. He just needs some help…. Like all good young QBs need.

Especially when each time your failed logic is called to task, you back-pedal like a little [BLEEP] and say, "oh, I give him a 50/50 chance to be a franchise QB."
LOL
Give me a [BLEEP] break, man. Is he "horrendous" and "worst in the league?" - or has he got a 50/50 shot at working out just like Josh Allen did?  The flip-flopping is so pitiful. Stick to your horribly formed opinion if you're going to insult me over it repeatedly.  Weak. 

And all this name calling people are complaining about works both ways.
 I've been repeatedly insulted by the resident Lawrence haters for pointing out his upside and the lack of competent play & coaching around him.

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He under threw it.  The receiver had to wait on the ball for a split second and was enough for the defender to get there.

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You want and insane stat!

Lawrence may not break 10 passing TD's in a 17 game season.  Simply outrageous this is a possibility in week 16

Man. You really have no idea what you’re talking about.

That was a TD that was dropped. Not the one that was called for PI but the one that was literally dropped into the belly of the WR and he dropped it.

You love to call people fan boys for defending a rookie QB who has had an uphill battle all season with the worst HC in NFL history and absolutely no playmakers. However, you can’t see good throws or good plays when they actually happen.

When Trevor ends up being really good, do us all a favor and don’t post. Because I for sure won’t forget and will remind you…. Just like when Ronster boycotted.

Loser.

..thank god, because when I was reading this thread officially. I thought it was just me that saw the TD pass right into the belly that was dropped..

T Law looked good and composed today..

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Man. You really have no idea what you’re talking about.

That was a TD that was dropped. Not the one that was called for PI but the one that was literally dropped into the belly of the WR and he dropped it.

You love to call people fan boys for defending a rookie QB who has had an uphill battle all season with the worst HC in NFL history and absolutely no playmakers. However, you can’t see good throws or good plays when they actually happen.

When Trevor ends up being really good, do us all a favor and don’t post. Because I for sure won’t forget and will remind you…. Just like when Ronster boycotted.

Loser.

..thank god, because when I was reading this thread officially. I thought it was just me that saw the TD pass right into the belly that was dropped..

T Law looked good and composed today..

Agreed. He was composed today. Had plenty of time in the pocket. Could have been a different game if Arnold and Shenault were out there and Robinson didn't get hurt.

I actually saw progress. He has ability. It's clearly there. Will be interesting to see what Belichick throws at him defensively coming up though.

Will be the toughest defense he's faced since Buffalo. I think he'll ultimately finish up these last two games strong.

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Taken from https://www.nfl.com/news/2021-nfl-season...ay-s-games

1.  What is wrong with Trevor Lawrence? Rookie quarterback seasons come in all kinds of shapes and sizes and involve too many variables beyond a signal-caller's control to draw any sweeping conclusions before Year 1 is over. Even the biggest cynic of Lawrence, however, must be surprised with how much he's struggled. Lawrence failed to throw a touchdown for the fourth game in a row and the seventh time in eight contests. The 2021 No. 1 overall pick did manage to lead three scoring drives of 70-plus yards and guided the offense 74 yards in the final minute, thanks in part to a 26-yard scramble, only for things to stall at the 1-yard line. While he flashed the sterling physical tools, he often wasn't poised or careful with the football. He also hasn't been particularly accurate this year. These are all areas in which he excelled at Clemson. That's concerning, and it goes beyond subpar pass protection and receiver play. A date with one of the worst defenses in the league was a prime opportunity to demonstrate growth, but Lawrence appears to be regressing.

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So really all you see is what you expect to see. Pity.

I see what it is.  Could he improve?  Sure?  Will he?  Nobody can say.  I see the product on the field and it's real bad.

I think the detractors though are interpreting that the majority of the board is absolving Lawrence of any or most of the blame for the team this year. I don't think that is the case.

I seen many of the posts that have acknowledged that Lawrence has regress some over the course of the season and didn't live up to even some of our expectations, mine included.

However, many of the skeptics have gone the complete other way to say he most like or even definitely a bust, which is way too far.

Given what has already come out about Urban's reign, it may have been one of the worst of all time as more stories are revealed. So we have no idea what an even slightly average or below average coaching staff would have done with a Lawrence rookie season.

On top of that, motivated and smart players often improve their games, something one would expect from a player who was so highly regarded, scouted and under a microscope since high school. If he was not that type of guy with that type of mindset, do you really thing nearly everyone would have considered him a definite elite QB prospect? 

This is more of a glass half-full/half empty situation, and I think most of us recognize that.

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If you continually make brand new threads to continue to call Trevor a bum and a bust, that makes you a loser. 

No one is saying Trevor is playing great. Far from it. He makes bad throws. His spin moves out of the pocket need to stop. They’re helping no one.

However, some context is always needed and the FACTS are that he has been held back since day 1. A fake HC. A fake QB competition. No playmakers. Bad play calling and just overall a bad environment. 

This isn’t to say it’s everyone’s fault except Trevor’s. He certainly has some blame here but he’s also a rookie. Playing for a team that was 1-15 last year and had a HC who literally left every day at 5. 

So rather than make a new thread every time Trevor makes a bad play or throw, let’s look at the bigger picture. Trevor has all the tools needed to be the guy. He just needs some help…. Like all good young QBs need.

Especially when each time your failed logic is called to task, you back-pedal like a little [BLEEP] and say, "oh, I give him a 50/50 chance to be a franchise QB."
LOL
Give me a [BLEEP] break, man. Is he "horrendous" and "worst in the league?" - or has he got a 50/50 shot at working out just like Josh Allen did?  The flip-flopping is so pitiful. Stick to your horribly formed opinion if you're going to insult me over it repeatedly.  Weak. 

And all this name calling people are complaining about works both ways.
 I've been repeatedly insulted by the resident Lawrence haters for pointing out his upside and the lack of competent play & coaching around him.

I guess you had comprehension problems.  Also I haven't started a Trevor Lawrence stinks thread in awhile.  I always said he had a 50/50 shot due to his mulligan rookie year.  That never has changed.  I also have said they he has played like hot garbage and that has not changed.  If you call that flip flopping that is your learning disability acting up.   He is playing Horrendously and just looked like a mediocre QB against a bad Jets team playing mostly back ups.  

You come off as a blind homer who attacks anyone who points out the facts to your beloved golden boy.   I said it before and will say it again.  He is the worst starting QB in the league right now.   He may not break 10 TD's this season.  Just HORRENDOUS!  Zack Wilson put the team on his back and won the game.  Let me know when Trevor does that.

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Taken from https://www.nfl.com/news/2021-nfl-season...ay-s-games

1.  What is wrong with Trevor Lawrence? Rookie quarterback seasons come in all kinds of shapes and sizes and involve too many variables beyond a signal-caller's control to draw any sweeping conclusions before Year 1 is over. Even the biggest cynic of Lawrence, however, must be surprised with how much he's struggled. Lawrence failed to throw a touchdown for the fourth game in a row and the seventh time in eight contests. The 2021 No. 1 overall pick did manage to lead three scoring drives of 70-plus yards and guided the offense 74 yards in the final minute, thanks in part to a 26-yard scramble, only for things to stall at the 1-yard line. While he flashed the sterling physical tools, he often wasn't poised or careful with the football. He also hasn't been particularly accurate this year. These are all areas in which he excelled at Clemson. That's concerning, and it goes beyond subpar pass protection and receiver play. A date with one of the worst defenses in the league was a prime opportunity to demonstrate growth, but Lawrence appears to be regressing.

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I see what it is.  Could he improve?  Sure?  Will he?  Nobody can say.  I see the product on the field and it's real bad.

I think the detractors though are interpreting that the majority of the board is absolving Lawrence of any or most of the blame for the team this year. I don't think that is the case.

I seen many of the posts that have acknowledged that Lawrence has regress some over the course of the season and didn't live up to even some of our expectations, mine included.

However, many of the skeptics have gone the complete other way to say he most like or even definitely a bust, which is way too far.

Given what has already come out about Urban's reign, it may have been one of the worst of all time as more stories are revealed. So we have no idea what an even slightly average or below average coaching staff would have done with a Lawrence rookie season.

On top of that, motivated and smart players often improve their games, something one would expect from a player who was so highly regarded, scouted and under a microscope since high school. If he was not that type of guy with that type of mindset, do you really thing nearly everyone would have considered him a definite elite QB prospect? 

This is more of a glass half-full/half empty situation, and I think most of us recognize that.

I can agree with most of that.   I state that he has played poorly and get attacked often.  Notice I'm never attacking anyone praising his play. 

One point that most can agree with is that he has not lived up to anywhere close to what the media/scouts made him out to be.  As I stated before he has a mountain to climb to be considered a good QB.  He has many faults in his game.  Burrow looked light years ahead of Lawrence in his rookie season.   Bad play design and preperation can be blamed on coaches.   Horrible game losing decisions are flat out missing way too many high percentage passes you have to blame the QB.  Even the announcers mentioned Lawrence accuracy struggles today.  Some of the his completions should of been for much more yards but the receivers have to work way too hard to get some of his errand throws.

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Some of you all are overly hostile toward people who don't share your optimism and point out basic facts.

Welcome to 80+ million Americans, if you catch my drift. Certain people can't disagree without someone blowing a mental fuse. Trevor has objectively played terrible football. Has his WRs dropped some good balls? Yes. Has he had some god awful throws any decent QB has no business throwing? Yes. When I put his tape on, I see Blaine Gabbert. This can change, he's more athletic and has a nice arm, does things you can't teach... But he sacks himself, lacks timing, doesn't set his feet/gets skittish at times, doesn't see the field well, and very inaccurate at times. Those are facts now, there is tape to prove it. Call anonymous people losers on the internet(real adult like, I know) all you want, the fact is Trevor has been underwhelming as a rookie. He can turn it around, but stating that he's bad right now should by no means result in name calling.

Rather than promoting Shott they should have fired him and hired the best QB coach money can buy.  Benched TL and sent to him QB intensive training.  This team is being run into the ground by TL's woefully subpar play.  He's not rookie bad; he's flat out bad.

Bench him, get him a coach and give him a chance to learn enough to be an NFL QB.  Have him ride the pine now or he'll be riding the pine his whole career.

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Welcome to 80+ million Americans, if you catch my drift. Certain people can't disagree without someone blowing a mental fuse. Trevor has objectively played terrible football. Has his WRs dropped some good balls? Yes. Has he had some god awful throws any decent QB has no business throwing? Yes. When I put his tape on, I see Blaine Gabbert. This can change, he's more athletic and has a nice arm, does things you can't teach... But he sacks himself, lacks timing, doesn't set his feet/gets skittish at times, doesn't see the field well, and very inaccurate at times. Those are facts now, there is tape to prove it. Call anonymous people losers on the internet(real adult like, I know) all you want, the fact is Trevor has been underwhelming as a rookie. He can turn it around, but stating that he's bad right now should by no means result in name calling.

If you continually make brand new threads to continue to call Trevor a bum and a bust, that makes you a loser. 

No one is saying Trevor is playing great. Far from it. He makes bad throws. His spin moves out of the pocket need to stop. They’re helping no one.

However, some context is always needed and the FACTS are that he has been held back since day 1. A fake HC. A fake QB competition. No playmakers. Bad play calling and just overall a bad environment. 

This isn’t to say it’s everyone’s fault except Trevor’s. He certainly has some blame here but he’s also a rookie. Playing for a team that was 1-15 last year and had a HC who literally left every day at 5. 

So rather than make a new thread every time Trevor makes a bad play or throw, let’s look at the bigger picture. Trevor has all the tools needed to be the guy. He just needs some help…. Like all good young QBs need.

The team loses because of the second highlighted paragraph.  TL sucks because of the first.  The two points are not related.

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I'd like to say i'm glad to see more people pointing out the obvious that I have been doing since before we took the kid. But as much as my ego would love to just be right.. wish I wasn't. I want the team to win for [BLEEP] sakes.

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Welcome to 80+ million Americans, if you catch my drift. Certain people can't disagree without someone blowing a mental fuse. Trevor has objectively played terrible football. Has his WRs dropped some good balls? Yes. Has he had some god awful throws any decent QB has no business throwing? Yes. When I put his tape on, I see Blaine Gabbert. This can change, he's more athletic and has a nice arm, does things you can't teach... But he sacks himself, lacks timing, doesn't set his feet/gets skittish at times, doesn't see the field well, and very inaccurate at times. Those are facts now, there is tape to prove it. Call anonymous people losers on the internet(real adult like, I know) all you want, the fact is Trevor has been underwhelming as a rookie. He can turn it around, but stating that he's bad right now should by no means result in name calling.

Rather than promoting Shott they should have fired him and hired the best QB coach money can buy.  Benched TL and sent to him QB intensive training.  This team is being run into the ground by TL's woefully subpar play.  He's not rookie bad; he's flat out bad.

Bench him, get him a coach and give him a chance to learn enough to be an NFL QB.  Have him ride the pine now or he'll be riding the pine his whole career.

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This is real life, not a video game. That isn’t how it works. 

But even if it did, if he’s so bad, why would a team go to such extraordinary lengths? 

You’re attempting to paint poor play execution as entirely his doing when, in fact, he has very little supporting talent. He’s a rookie doing rookie things on a very bad team, but his potential is clear to see. Potential that will develop accordingly with experience and a better roster.

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I'd like to say i'm glad to see more people pointing out the obvious that I have been doing since before we took the kid. But as much as my ego would love to just be right.. wish I wasn't. I want the team to win for [BLEEP] sakes.

2 people agree with you.

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