I agree.  

What we need in an EVP is an experienced NFL person who can give some guidance to Shad Khan and override Trent Baalke if the need arises.  Both Ricks would probably be able to do that.

They did talk about hiring two positions. One being EVP and another below or same level as Baalke.  I don’t remember, I think it was below.  But wouldn’t it be nice to snag both of them!  Although, at that point, would there be too many cooks in the kitchen?

Yeah.  One too many.  You know which one.

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This board is such a cesspool. I have been coming less and less. Almost every thread has to be derailed by some idiot troll.

Talking football seems like a futile fight.  Where are the mods to take out the trash?  Oh yea, some of the mods are trolls too.

thank you for your contribution to the topic at hand. Feel better?

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Been throwing Rick Smith's name out there for months now. Surprised this didn't come up any sooner. He would be an EXCELLENT addition to this team.

Made the argument that he was the key to keeping it altogether in Houston, and not even barely a year after he had to step away and step down to take care of his dying wife, O'Brien took full control of the roster and the team completely imploded from there. Much like Rick Spielman, he's showcased over the years that he's capable of finding quality players in rounds where it's rare to find said quality.

Not only does he find quality players but he also has a knack for finding a healthy balance of players on offense and defense. I really don't think this team could go wrong either way at this point. Rick Smith should have been interviewed months ago though for the position. I would have interviewed him to take over Baalke regardless with the intent of expanding his role even further at an executive level.

I'm all for filling the room with as much talent as we can muster, Smith would be a good get.

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So, just to clarify, we shouldn't hold Baalke's terrible track record against him because he wasn't with the Jags, but we SHOULD hold Spielman's (hypothetical) bad history against him?

To say nothing of the fact that I've seen FAR more ire for Baalke than Spielman from sources outside the Jags.

So Spielman has just been severed from the Vikings and Baalke has been away from the Niners six years and you're calling that a fair comparrison?

So one guy is sought after almost immediately after being terminated while the other stays unemployed for 4 years after his dismissal...you're right, apples and oranges.

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I agree.  

What we need in an EVP is an experienced NFL person who can give some guidance to Shad Khan and override Trent Baalke if the need arises.  Both Ricks would probably be able to do that.

They did talk about hiring two positions. One being EVP and another below or same level as Baalke.  I don’t remember, I think it was below.  But wouldn’t it be nice to snag both of them!  Although, at that point, would there be too many cooks in the kitchen?

As with the coaching search, it's going to come down to working with Baalke. Can the hydra collaborate to better the team, or will the three heads tangle themselves in knots trying to exert their influence over the discussions at hand?

I'm all for bringing in as many talented staff members as we can, but part of that challenge is going to be structuring things in a way that everyone understands their role, and is allowed to do that part without being undermined or overruled.

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So Spielman has just been severed from the Vikings and Baalke has been away from the Niners six years and you're calling that a fair comparrison?

So one guy is sought after almost immediately after being terminated while the other stays unemployed for 4 years after his dismissal...you're right, apples and oranges.

Spielman isn't reemployed yet.
I don't know what Baalke did in those 4 years. Maybe his contract was such that he could sit on the beach and make the same amount as if he had been working. Maybe he made it a learning period and he prepared himself for the Jaguars job.
Fact of the matter is he's been employed as a Jag for a mere 15 months and he's made some definite upgrades to the roster. He'll likely continue that while collaborating with Pederson.

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So one guy is sought after almost immediately after being terminated while the other stays unemployed for 4 years after his dismissal...you're right, apples and oranges.

Spielman isn't reemployed yet.
I don't know what Baalke did in those 4 years. Maybe his contract was such that he could sit on the beach and make the same amount as if he had been working. Maybe he made it a learning period and he prepared himself for the Jaguars job.
Fact of the matter is he's been employed as a Jag for a mere 15 months and he's made some definite upgrades to the roster. He'll likely continue that while collaborating with Pederson.

A lot of this:

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So one guy is sought after almost immediately after being terminated while the other stays unemployed for 4 years after his dismissal...you're right, apples and oranges.

Spielman isn't reemployed yet.
I don't know what Baalke did in those 4 years. Maybe his contract was such that he could sit on the beach and make the same amount as if he had been working. Maybe he made it a learning period and he prepared himself for the Jaguars job.
Fact of the matter is he's been employed as a Jag for a mere 15 months and he's made some definite upgrades to the roster. He'll likely continue that while collaborating with Pederson.

What upgrades? Again, he absolutely does not get credit for Lawrence, Cisco, Little, or Campbell imo. Those were draft picks that WOULD have gone higher had they not suffered ACL injuries (obviously not Lawrence). We don't know how any of them will do. Campbell has looked good in zone the second half of the season. Cisco and Little are still question marks. But, again, they were all going to go higher in the draft had they not been injured. You can't just reach for injured players and get an attaboy.

And what did he do in free agency? Not a thing. I'm not sure why you're defending him so hard or saying that Spielman is worse. Baalke pushed Harbaugh out and hasn't had a coach last more than a single year since then. Jim Tomsula, Chip Kelly, Doug Marrone, Urban Meyer. He is known to leak information and does whatever he has to do to save his own [BLEEP] at the expense of others. The fact that no one wants to work with him has to speak volumes.

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Spielman isn't reemployed yet.
I don't know what Baalke did in those 4 years. Maybe his contract was such that he could sit on the beach and make the same amount as if he had been working. Maybe he made it a learning period and he prepared himself for the Jaguars job.
Fact of the matter is he's been employed as a Jag for a mere 15 months and he's made some definite upgrades to the roster. He'll likely continue that while collaborating with Pederson.

What upgrades? Again, he absolutely does not get credit for Lawrence, Cisco, Little, or Campbell imo. Those were draft picks that WOULD have gone higher had they not suffered ACL injuries (obviously not Lawrence). We don't know how any of them will do. Campbell has looked good in zone the second half of the season. Cisco and Little are still question marks. But, again, they were all going to go higher in the draft had they not been injured. You can't just reach for injured players and get an attaboy.

And what did he do in free agency? Not a thing. I'm not sure why you're defending him so hard or saying that Spielman is worse. Baalke pushed Harbaugh out and hasn't had a coach last more than a single year since then. Jim Tomsula, Chip Kelly, Doug Marrone, Urban Meyer. He is known to leak information and does whatever he has to do to save his own [BLEEP] at the expense of others. The fact that no one wants to work with him has to speak volumes.

He is just trolling

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I am a fan, not a cheerleader.

Despite trolls trying to hijack this thread, maybe we should get back to the OP's subject matter.

Maybe you should head to the Modis?

I mean really, anyone popping up all of a sudden. In January of 22 is super sus

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If he has made his mind up about spielman this could just be satisfying the rooney rule,though i would not mind seeing rick smith knock it out the park and change his mind.

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Despite trolls trying to hijack this thread, maybe we should get back to the OP's subject matter.

Maybe you should head to the Modis?

I mean really, anyone popping up all of a sudden. In January of 22 is super sus

I'll reply on behalf of Sioux: "What's a Modis?"

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This board is such a cesspool. I have been coming less and less. Almost every thread has to be derailed by some idiot troll.

Talking football seems like a futile fight.  Where are the mods to take out the trash?  Oh yea, some of the mods are trolls too.

Sometimes I feel like you are an over the top version of myself on here. I agree with a lot of stuff you say especially the way people get so angry over a thread like this forum is so active that we gotta make sure only the best topic is posted and it has to be 100% unique. 

lmao

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This board is such a cesspool. I have been coming less and less. Almost every thread has to be derailed by some idiot troll.

Talking football seems like a futile fight.  Where are the mods to take out the trash?  Oh yea, some of the mods are trolls too.

Sometimes I feel like you are an over the top version of myself on here. I agree with a lot of stuff you say especially the way people get so angry over a thread like this forum is so active that we gotta make sure only the best topic is posted and it has to be 100% unique. 

lmao

Or at least some semblance of factual instead of fanfic.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Sometimes I feel like you are an over the top version of myself on here. I agree with a lot of stuff you say especially the way people get so angry over a thread like this forum is so active that we gotta make sure only the best topic is posted and it has to be 100% unique. 

lmao

Or at least some semblance of factual instead of fanfic.

Fanfic is the norm around here. You have about 8 toxic arrogants repeating the same false narrative over and over enough that they actually start believing their own fabricated garbage. You call them out on it and you get sat down for a spell.

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This board is such a cesspool. I have been coming less and less. Almost every thread has to be derailed by some idiot troll.

Talking football seems like a futile fight.  Where are the mods to take out the trash?  Oh yea, some of the mods are trolls too.

thank you for your contribution to the topic at hand. Feel better?

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Been throwing Rick Smith's name out there for months now. Surprised this didn't come up any sooner. He would be an EXCELLENT addition to this team.

Made the argument that he was the key to keeping it altogether in Houston, and not even barely a year after he had to step away and step down to take care of his dying wife, O'Brien took full control of the roster and the team completely imploded from there. Much like Rick Spielman, he's showcased over the years that he's capable of finding quality players in rounds where it's rare to find said quality.

Not only does he find quality players but he also has a knack for finding a healthy balance of players on offense and defense. I really don't think this team could go wrong either way at this point. Rick Smith should have been interviewed months ago though for the position. I would have interviewed him to take over Baalke regardless with the intent of expanding his role even further at an executive level.

I'm all for filling the room with as much talent as we can muster, Smith would be a good get.

Agreed completely.

As cringe worthy as Khan's coaching search was, it turned out quite beneficial to us in two respects:

1.  It resulted in the Jaguars hiring Doug Pederson.  Granted with all of the delays, we needlessly risked losing him, but we didn't.

2.  Khan said he learned from the coaching search that he needed to put more resources into scouting/football operations than he had before.  For years, the Bengals were a horrible team because they ran a bare bones scouting staff and front office.  I wonder if Khan (abd oerhaps Weaver) was making the same mistake here.  If Khan puts more resources into the front office/football operations/scouting, and that nets ups more quality people like Spielman and Smith, t would only benefit us in the longer term.  Adding guys like that who have good eyes for talent should lead to better drafting, better free agency expenditures, better handling of waiver wire claims and better final roster decisions than we've been getting before.

I'd welcome either or both of Rick Smith and Rick Spielman to the Jaguars.  Bith have oroven able to assemble talented rosters in the trenches and at the skill positions, on both sides of the ball.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

So....this probably isn't happening, right? Seems like Khan may have been using it to dodge a question.

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So....this probably isn't happening, right?  Seems like Khan may have been using it to dodge a question.

Who knows?

Khan specifically metioned having to go through some league channels to conduct the search.


If he was referring to the Rooney rule, given the current climate, it's possible some aren't interviewing because they think it'll be a sham.

If he's referring to othre league practices, perhaps it's possible they will wait until after the draft.

I would love to bring either Spielman or Smith or both in put them in our front office.  Both have proven they know how to draft good players.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Are you ready jag fans...
Sigh, Sigh Jag fan

Oooooohhhhhhh
Who occupies the front office for as long as khan sees
Baalke fake sleezy pants!
Unobservant and yellow and mean is he..
Baalke snake sleezy pants!
If drafting ACL tears is something you wish
Baalke snake sleezy pants!
Then drop all your hopes and say goodbye to good picks
Baalke snake sleezy pants!

Baalke is Khan's pick
Baalke makes the fans sick
Baalke thinks he is slick
Baalke will probably stick

Buwahahahahah

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Birth of the Franchise - November 30, 1993
Death of the Franchise - November 29, 2011

Fans deserve better. Thanks for all the good times too many are in the past.

What upgrades? Again, he absolutely does not get credit for Lawrence, Cisco, Little, or Campbell imo. Those were draft picks that WOULD have gone higher had they not suffered ACL injuries (obviously not Lawrence). We don't know how any of them will do. Campbell has looked good in zone the second half of the season. Cisco and Little are still question marks. But, again, they were all going to go higher in the draft had they not been injured. You can't just reach for injured players and get an attaboy.

And what did he do in free agency? Not a thing. I'm not sure why you're defending him so hard or saying that Spielman is worse. Baalke pushed Harbaugh out and hasn't had a coach last more than a single year since then. Jim Tomsula, Chip Kelly, Doug Marrone, Urban Meyer. He is known to leak information and does whatever he has to do to save his own [BLEEP] at the expense of others. The fact that no one wants to work with him has to speak volumes.

He is just trolling

First a rabid defense of Bevell, and now a defense of TRENT. BAALKE. yea I agree gotta be a troll.

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Championship Formula:

1) Draft Trevor Lawrence!
2) Play good physical Defense! 
3) Keep 91% of the roster healthy!
4) ???
5) Blank #2
6) CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

So....this probably isn't happening, right?  Seems like Khan may have been using it to dodge a question.

I think, after the debacles with Coughlin and Meyer, Khan has become very careful about who he hires.  Some might call it slow.  Some might call it careful and deliberate.  

I'm pretty sure he's going to hire an EVP.  When is anyone's guess.

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