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Russia invades Ukraine
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03-27-2022, 08:24 AM
(This post was last modified: 03-27-2022, 08:36 AM by Ronster. Edited 1 time in total.)
Political landmine. Ima skip this one…, Ok, ok.
I’m no Pootin fan, and I support the Ukrainian people, but I think your corrupt leaders asked for this. And frankly, I want nothing to do with your alls squabble. Good luck, I hope this ends soon, stay safe. I’m in no mood for yet another senseless war. I’m out….
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I think the US should always do everything we can to protect countries with democratically elected leadership. Ukraine's lucky they are right next to four NATO countries, so there is a lot we can do (and are doing) to help.
That said, your democratically elected leaders have made some bad choices here. Ukraine should not be joining the EU. They should be negotiating to make it easier for Ukrainians to move to Europe and for Europeans to move to Ukraine, but lowering trade barriers to Europe is geopolitically a very antagonistic move.
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(03-27-2022, 08:24 AM)Ronster Wrote: Political landmine. Ima skip this one…, Ok, ok.Don't worry Ukrainian leadership is trying to get him on the oscars. Not a joke, there were negotiations for him to speak either live or recorded message. Don't know where it ended up but they were trying to get it done. Hollywood will fix everything for the world. Sent from my SM-T970 using Tapatalk
I don't think we should be allowing any country who doesn't impose term limits on their heads of state to have access to our economy. That goes as well for countries who don't allow a legitimate opposition party to exist. These tyrants can play the long game against us, waiting for a U.S. regime they can work with or worse, one they can buy. Meanwhile, they feed off of our economy and actively work against us at the same time.
This is obviously easier said than done because China falls in to that category and manufactures the vast majority of goods for us and you can't cut that off cold turkey. Manufacturing will never come back fully to our service based economy, but some of it does need to come back and we also need to find other, less hostile nations that would see the benefit in bolstering their economy by taking on some of our manufacturing needs. Spread the risk around by not having it all come from one country, but instead from several in relatively similar percentages, if possible. (03-27-2022, 07:04 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: I don't think we should be allowing any country who doesn't impose term limits on their heads of state to have access to our economy. That goes as well for countries who don't allow a legitimate opposition party to exist. These tyrants can play the long game against us, waiting for a U.S. regime they can work with or worse, one they can buy. Meanwhile, they feed off of our economy and actively work against us at the same time. It's not just China. We're becoming more and more intertwined in trade with Vietnam, which is also in that category. And then there's the Saudis.
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(03-25-2022, 11:25 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:(03-25-2022, 11:18 AM)mikesez Wrote: Because cancelling it implies that everyone involved in acting and producing was involved with racism, and they weren't. You shut your ***bad word*** mouth. “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
(03-27-2022, 07:11 PM)mikesez Wrote:(03-27-2022, 07:04 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: I don't think we should be allowing any country who doesn't impose term limits on their heads of state to have access to our economy. That goes as well for countries who don't allow a legitimate opposition party to exist. These tyrants can play the long game against us, waiting for a U.S. regime they can work with or worse, one they can buy. Meanwhile, they feed off of our economy and actively work against us at the same time. Yeah there's a lot more to it domestically as well. Large multinational corporations buy representatives in congress (who by the way should have been term limited a long time ago for this very reason) to ensure their interests are protected. These corporations have an interest in gaining or maintaining access to China's economy and not rocking the boat with them. Unfortunately, all we can really do about it is vote, support local small business when possible and try to buy alternatives to Chinese made goods when possible. That's a big ask at the moment with the inflation we're experiencing. (03-27-2022, 07:41 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote:(03-27-2022, 07:11 PM)mikesez Wrote: It's not just China. We're becoming more and more intertwined in trade with Vietnam, which is also in that category. And then there's the Saudis. If you study what goes on in Tallahassee, you will see that term limits actually make lobbyists more powerful, not less. Unfortunately, most people are like you and believe the opposite.
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(03-27-2022, 09:48 PM)mikesez Wrote:(03-27-2022, 07:41 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: Yeah there's a lot more to it domestically as well. Large multinational corporations buy representatives in congress (who by the way should have been term limited a long time ago for this very reason) to ensure their interests are protected. These corporations have an interest in gaining or maintaining access to China's economy and not rocking the boat with them. Unfortunately, all we can really do about it is vote, support local small business when possible and try to buy alternatives to Chinese made goods when possible. That's a big ask at the moment with the inflation we're experiencing. Well I'm glad that's settled.
03-30-2022, 04:08 PM
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https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/03/30/...a-war-news
"...declassified U.S. intelligence that President Vladimir V. Putin was being misinformed about the invasion from aides fearful about his reaction. " "According to the U.S. intelligence, the misinformation has created mistrust and stoked tensions between Mr. Putin and his Ministry of Defense, including with the Russian defense minister, Sergei Shoigu, who was once among the most trusted members of the Kremlin’s inner circle." "American officials said that Mr. Putin’s strict isolation during the pandemic and willingness to publicly castigate advisers had contributed to him getting incomplete or overly optimistic reports about the progress of Russian forces, apparently leaving him genuinely unaware that the Russian military had been using conscripts in Ukraine or that drafted soldiers were among those killed in action." [This reminds me of Urban Meyer not knowing who was supposed to be playing.] "The American intelligence assessment also said that Mr. Putin had an incomplete understanding about how damaging Western sanctions had been on the Russian economy, officials said."
Dang y'all. The video presented to the UN Security Council from the Ukraine delegate is jacked. They pulled no punches when showing the dead civilians.
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(04-05-2022, 11:24 AM)americus 2.0 Wrote: Dang y'all. The video presented to the UN Security Council from the Ukraine delegate is jacked. They pulled no punches when showing the dead civilians. (04-05-2022, 03:18 PM)The Real Marty Wrote:You talking about the Bucha propaganda one they have been pushing the last few days?(04-05-2022, 11:24 AM)americus 2.0 Wrote: Dang y'all. The video presented to the UN Security Council from the Ukraine delegate is jacked. They pulled no punches when showing the dead civilians. National guard of Ukraine entered the town and filmed it. No dead bodies in the videos that were uploaded. The mayor of the town posted video on 3/31, saying town is back under control, happy, no mentions of dead bodies in the street. Several government members visit 4/1-2 and no mentions of bodies by anyone. There is video of 2 Ukrainian military talking and one asks if they can shoot anyone not wearing a blue stripe and the response was basically yes. Russians and people who were in cities controlled by Russia having been wearing white stripes to show they were civilians and not Azov units trying to disguise themselves as civilians. Now look at the videos of the dead bodies. Notice their white stripes on their arms or legs. Notice some of the Russian humanitarian care packages some of them have. When did the videos appear? 4-5 days after Russia had left. Why was their no mention of the bodies before then? Why were the bodies still fresh? (It's not that cold now). Something is going on and it's a propaganda battle right now. Russia is pushing its version of Bucha and that looks to be more truthful. Russia is also putting out some huge if true propaganda. French military being killed in the helicopter shot down that was supposedly being flown into Mariupol to try to rescue leadership before it fell. US general potentially being captured by Russia in Mariupol. Info on both sides is picking up now so something must be happening that they don't want out. Don't know what it is or which side is hiding it but something has to be on the verge of being leaked/found. Sent from my SM-T970 using Tapatalk
The video I watched was of several towns and images are of exact areas I've seen from independent sources. I also happen to know what actual dead bodies look like and those were real.
I'm not discounting propaganda and in the end if history shows that it was then so be it. But I don't think it is. (04-05-2022, 10:50 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: The video I watched was of several towns and images are of exact areas I've seen from independent sources. I also happen to know what actual dead bodies look like and those were real.There are definitely a bunch of dead in some places. The question becomes who are the dead bodies and who killed them. Both sides can show pictures of the same thing and claim it was the other side that killed them. Both sides are saying each other is killing civilians. Russia is causing a lot more damage as they try to remove all Ukrainian troops from the encircled cities. Those cities are heavily damaged. Azov fighters are mixing in with civilians and lots of reports of them using civilians as shields. The battles are being fought in the cities so anyone still there is definitely at risk of being killed. Then you also have civilians taking up arms and defending themselves and country. You also have Russians in a lot of these cities and they may be fighting against Ukraine. Unfortunately civilians are dying and it's not going to stop until Ukraine agrees to terms or Russia accomplishes whatever their goals are. The PR push by the worldwide media has followed a playbook, there are supposedly PR firms being paid to message it for Ukraine and feed the MSM. First it was they needed weapons, then they were beating Russia back, then they needed more to continue to win, then it was you are afraid to help Ukraine because of Russia, and now it's moving into the Ukraine has to have help because Russia is committing war crimes against civilians. I don't trust anything coming from either side. There are some crazy stuff being thrown out there about the last stand in Azovstal (Mariupol) right now. Chatter about a 3-star General, confirmed French troops/leaders, and British, Germany, and Sweden NATO troops being there with the Azov nazis. French troops were confirmed killed in a helicopter that was supposedly trying to evacuate the Azov leadership from Mariupol. Russia claiming 2 more attempts were shot down. Don't know want Russia wants with the last area they don't control but it's not a large area. They could just carpet bomb it and be done with it. It moves the believable meter up a little that either someone important is there and they want them alive or the even crazier stuff about what's under the location. Sent from my SM-T970 using Tapatalk We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(04-06-2022, 01:19 AM)p_rushing Wrote:(04-05-2022, 10:50 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: The video I watched was of several towns and images are of exact areas I've seen from independent sources. I also happen to know what actual dead bodies look like and those were real.There are definitely a bunch of dead in some places. The question becomes who are the dead bodies and who killed them. Both sides can show pictures of the same thing and claim it was the other side that killed them. You think the Ukrainians went in and shot their own people for a propaganda stunt? And you discount all the eyewitnesses who said it was the Russians who did it? There are satellite photos taken days before the Ukrainians re-took Bucha that show the dead bodies in the exact same locations they were in when the news media got in there.
(04-06-2022, 05:23 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:(04-06-2022, 01:19 AM)p_rushing Wrote: There are definitely a bunch of dead in some places. The question becomes who are the dead bodies and who killed them. Both sides can show pictures of the same thing and claim it was the other side that killed them. He never provides sources for his conspiracies.
(04-06-2022, 06:14 AM)homebiscuit Wrote:(04-06-2022, 05:23 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: You think the Ukrainians went in and shot their own people for a propaganda stunt? And you discount all the eyewitnesses who said it was the Russians who did it? |
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