The obsession with this GM is really strange to me given the current state of the franchise.

The next two years are when we really find out what's what.

You are right it is the owner who screwed up.

He did screw up. 

He also just hired a SB winning coach and spent a historic amount in free agency to attempt righting the ship. 
I'm kind-of excited to see how this pans out, personally. 
Arrow is up, which makes it an odd time for the wailing and gnashing of teeth IMO.

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The answer to the OP's question is YES. W/O A Doubt.

Alot, if not Most Jaguar Fans Clowned on this Man w/o giving him the opportunity to make things right. He was brought in by Caldwell as he (Caldwell) was being forced out the door by the clamoring of said fans. These same fans demanded that Baalke gets booted too. "Mr. Khan, if you love this team get rid of Baalke too" they said. And when Mr. Khan didn't give in to the fan's demand(s), the Clowning commensed.

Some fans gave up their season tickets, Clowned on social media and Clowned at the games. They even Clowned on Mr. Khan, but he still didn't give in to the demands. Now Baalke has his QB1, his HC, a revamped roster and a new Training Facility (Thanks Meyer). I've always said that the fan's was too hard on Baalke, especially when Meyer was overall in charge. And he was, so let's put this to rest and allow people to do their jobs for the next two years and then we can make an determination.

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

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He didnt try to hard in freegancy last. Year. This year with his job on the line, he went all in. Judge that.

Again, that could be a function of Meyer.  He certainly had heavy input in who he wanted here, via draft or FA, to the point where he even tried out Tebow.

Meyer had input with the FAs?  The guy who didn't know who A. Donald is? He only brought his guys,  the others were on Baalke.

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Ok then

Brought (or at least was ok with) Meyer.
3-14 record
Passed on Trent Williams, Hendrickson, H.Henry for a bunch of guys that did nothing. M. Jones was solid at best.
Trevor fell to him and still made him look bad. Little barely played and was nothing special. Cisco didn't play.

That's is Baalke so far, so have we been to harsh with him? no, with what he has done so far.
Also, I guess we are gonna ignore all the mess with Byron etc.

Attacks like the guy screaming at him to resign or like I think someone posted (on twitter, not here) his address? yes, that crap shouldn't happen regardless of what he does as a GM.

The TC meant us, the board, have we been too harsh on him? No

How do you know he passed on all those guys?  There was a rumor that we went hard after Henry but he chose the Pats.  Williams wasnt coming here over 49ers espically with the contract.  We might have made a call though, we just dont know.  With that said, teams done sign a bunch of high priced FA in the first year of a rebuild.

Oh well, we have to believe that rumor then

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It does seem like the team is gonna improve a lot but it is more on Pederson than Baalke, even though it seems like Baalke has done a good job THIS YEAR. We'll see.

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"Treyvon Wallet is elite run defender and better overall than Aidan Hutchinson" 11/11/23

Again, that could be a function of Meyer.  He certainly had heavy input in who he wanted here, via draft or FA, to the point where he even tried out Tebow.

Meyer had input with the FAs?  The guy who didn't know who A. Donald is? He only brought his guys,  the others were on Baalke.

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How do you know he passed on all those guys?  There was a rumor that we went hard after Henry but he chose the Pats.  Williams wasnt coming here over 49ers espically with the contract.  We might have made a call though, we just dont know.  With that said, teams done sign a bunch of high priced FA in the first year of a rebuild.

Oh well, we have to believe that rumor then

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It does seem like the team is gonna improve a lot but it is more on Pederson than Baalke, even though it seems like Baalke has done a good job THIS YEAR. We'll see.

So this year it isn’t Baalke but last year was?  Interesting logic.

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Meyer had input with the FAs?  The guy who didn't know who A. Donald is? He only brought his guys,  the others were on Baalke.

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Oh well, we have to believe that rumor then

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It does seem like the team is gonna improve a lot but it is more on Pederson than Baalke, even though it seems like Baalke has done a good job THIS YEAR. We'll see.

So this year it isn’t Baalke but last year was?  Interesting logic.

When I say Pederson I mean coaching. The most improvement on the team will be because of coaching imo.

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"Treyvon Wallet is elite run defender and better overall than Aidan Hutchinson" 11/11/23

So this year it isn’t Baalke but last year was?  Interesting logic.

When I say Pederson I mean coaching. The most improvement on the team will be because of coaching imo.

So then you are admitting that last years coaching was holding Baalke back.

As I said in post 209, Coach/GM is a partnership. If half the union is dysfunctional, then the other half is going to be ineffective as well. The probability is high that this was the case.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

When I say Pederson I mean coaching. The most improvement on the team will be because of coaching imo.

So then you are admitting that last years coaching was holding Baalke back.

As I said in post 209, Coach/GM is a partnership.  If half the union is dysfunctional, then the other half is going to be ineffective as well.  The probability is high that this was the case.

Really??? I give up. 

Yeah, we've been so cruel to Baalke, he will continue prove he is a great GM 

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"Treyvon Wallet is elite run defender and better overall than Aidan Hutchinson" 11/11/23

If Travon Walker is a stud, I will gain serious respect for Baalke

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So then you are admitting that last years coaching was holding Baalke back.

As I said in post 209, Coach/GM is a partnership.  If half the union is dysfunctional, then the other half is going to be ineffective as well.  The probability is high that this was the case.

Really??? I give up. 

Yeah, we've been so cruel to Baalke, he will continue prove he is a great GM 

Yeah, that’s exactly what everyone is saying.

It’s more like he’s not that anti-Christ that people want to make him out to be.  I’ve seen more than one person call him ‘the worst GM in the history of sports’.

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Last year's draft class was extremely solid, who thought Tyson Campbell was gonna be as good as he is now? Also Walker Little and Cisco are great picks that are worth noting.

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So then you are admitting that last years coaching was holding Baalke back.

As I said in post 209, Coach/GM is a partnership.  If half the union is dysfunctional, then the other half is going to be ineffective as well.  The probability is high that this was the case.

Really??? I give up. 

Yeah, we've been so cruel to Baalke, he will continue prove he is a great GM 

1) Ballke (and maybe Meyer) made the picks, which they presumed had NFL level talent
2) Meyer 'coached' them (I use that term loosely) to underwhelming results.
3) Pederson takes over and begins coaching them to what Meyer and Baalke originally saw as their NFL level ability

Conclusion: they weren't inherently talentless picks when selected, they just played that way because of inept coaching.

To me, this is Logic 101. What am I missing?

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

The answer to the OP's question is YES. W/O A Doubt.

Alot, if not Most Jaguar Fans Clowned on this Man w/o giving him the opportunity to make things right. He was brought in by Caldwell as he (Caldwell) was being forced out the door by the clamoring of said fans. These same fans demanded that Baalke gets booted too. "Mr. Khan, if you love this team get rid of Baalke too" they said. And when Mr. Khan didn't give in to the fan's demand(s), the Clowning commensed.

Some fans gave up their season tickets, Clowned on social media and Clowned at the games. They even Clowned on Mr. Khan, but he still didn't give in to the demands. Now Baalke has his QB1, his HC, a revamped roster and a new Training Facility (Thanks Meyer). I've always said that the fan's was too hard on Baalke, especially when Meyer was overall in charge. And he was, so let's put this to rest and allow people to do their jobs for the next two years and then we can make an determination.

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

Fans clowned Baalke because he didn't deserve the job.  His record as San Francisco's gm was the following:

Year 1:  13-3
Year 2:  11-5
Year 3:  12-4
Year 4:  8-8
Year 5:  5-11
Year 6:  2-14

Can you not see the trend?  As second in charge of the Jaguars front office, he was 1-15.  As gm, he was 3-14.  He was hired as gm by Meyer.  When Meyer was fired, it made all the sense in the world to fire his partner in crime as well.

Ask yourself what would have happened if Baalke was let go?  Do you really think any other team would have hired him as their gm?  Not a chance!  It's highly doubtful that a single team would have even granted him an interview.  Why should the Jaguars have to settle for a guy no one else would want?

That being said, I hope Baalke does well.  I am a believer that people can improve at their job.  Some people learn from their mistakes.  However, there's nothing wrong with wanting a candidate with a good proven track record versus hiring someone with a lousy record and then blindly hoping that he improves.

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Really??? I give up. 

Yeah, we've been so cruel to Baalke, he will continue prove he is a great GM 

Yeah, that’s exactly what everyone is saying.

It’s more like he’s not that anti-Christ that people want to make him out to be.  I’ve seen more than one person call him ‘the worst GM in the history of sports’.

I thought Gene Smith held that title?

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The answer to the OP's question is YES. W/O A Doubt.

Alot, if not Most Jaguar Fans Clowned on this Man w/o giving him the opportunity to make things right. He was brought in by Caldwell as he (Caldwell) was being forced out the door by the clamoring of said fans. These same fans demanded that Baalke gets booted too. "Mr. Khan, if you love this team get rid of Baalke too" they said. And when Mr. Khan didn't give in to the fan's demand(s), the Clowning commensed.

Some fans gave up their season tickets, Clowned on social media and Clowned at the games. They even Clowned on Mr. Khan, but he still didn't give in to the demands. Now Baalke has his QB1, his HC, a revamped roster and a new Training Facility (Thanks Meyer). I've always said that the fan's was too hard on Baalke, especially when Meyer was overall in charge. And he was, so let's put this to rest and allow people to do their jobs for the next two years and then we can make an determination.

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

Fans clowned Baalke because he didn't deserve the job.  His record as San Francisco's gm was the following:

Year 1:  13-3
Year 2:  11-5
Year 3:  12-4
Year 4:  8-8
Year 5:  5-11
Year 6:  2-14

Can you not see the trend?  As second in charge of the Jaguars front office, he was 1-15.  As gm, he was 3-14.  He was hired as gm by Meyer.  When Meyer was fired, it made all the sense in the world to fire his partner in crime as well.

Ask yourself what would have happened if Baalke was let go?  Do you really think any other team would have hired him as their gm?  Not a chance!  It's highly doubtful that a single team would have even granted him an interview.  Why should the Jaguars have to settle for a guy no one else would want?

That being said, I hope Baalke does well.  I am a believer that people can improve at their job.  Some people learn from their mistakes.  However, there's nothing wrong with wanting a candidate with a good proven track record versus hiring someone with a lousy record and then blindly hoping that he improves.

First of all, they were 11-4-1 in Yr 2 above. That year, they went to the Super Bowl.

Per Wikipedia, "In January 2012, Baalke was named PFWA Executive of the Year for the 2011 season, after being credited for transforming a 6–10 team into a 13–3 team in his first season as general manager.[6] The next month he received a contract extension through 2016."

So, he got them primed to compete for, and get to, the Super Bowl. After that, per Wikipedia "After a 2014 season filled with reports that Baalke and then-49ers coach Jim Harbaugh had been clashing, the 49ers parted ways with Harbaugh and promoted defensive line coach Jim Tomsula to the head coaching position."

So, they fired Harbaugh. Why not Baalke, if he was such a big problem? Harbaugh has since been found to be a divisive 'my way or the highway, ego-driven' coach, much like Meyer was. That's a big reason why he and Kelly returned to college coaching, and why Meyer will eventually, There are parallels here.

Finally, he was fired with Chip Kelly, another allegedly 'difficult' coach to work with (remember the racist allegations made against him by his own players in Philly? along with the 'smartest guy in the room' syndrome, which is fine, but its how you display it). Baalke's contract had been fulfilled. In that case, its natural to move on from the Coach/GM package.

How do you know Meyer hired him? This link says the exact opposite, that Meyer agreed to Baalke staying on as a concession for other 'promises'.
"That call wound up being to hire Urban Meyer, and as the Jags courted Meyer, Meyer’s focus in negotiations was on getting promises on facility upgrades, support staff hires, and budget for his coaching staff. So, as I understand it, he was willing to give on the Khans’ desire to retain Baalke as GM."
https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/12/31/mailba...yer-firing

So, the 'trend' I see is that he's gotten saddled with either lousy or megalomaniacal coaches (with Meyer, both attributes apply).

If he can partner effectively with Pederson to get this team to a SB as quickly as he did with SF, I'll take that any day over what we've had here over the last 22 years.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

Fans clowned Baalke because he didn't deserve the job.  His record as San Francisco's gm was the following:

Year 1:  13-3
Year 2:  11-5
Year 3:  12-4
Year 4:  8-8
Year 5:  5-11
Year 6:  2-14

Can you not see the trend?  As second in charge of the Jaguars front office, he was 1-15.  As gm, he was 3-14.  He was hired as gm by Meyer.  When Meyer was fired, it made all the sense in the world to fire his partner in crime as well.

Ask yourself what would have happened if Baalke was let go?  Do you really think any other team would have hired him as their gm?  Not a chance!  It's highly doubtful that a single team would have even granted him an interview.  Why should the Jaguars have to settle for a guy no one else would want?

That being said, I hope Baalke does well.  I am a believer that people can improve at their job.  Some people learn from their mistakes.  However, there's nothing wrong with wanting a candidate with a good proven track record versus hiring someone with a lousy record and then blindly hoping that he improves.

First of all, they were 11-4-1 in Yr 2 above.  That year, they went to the Super Bowl.

Per Wikipedia, "In January 2012, Baalke was named PFWA Executive of the Year for the 2011 season, after being credited for transforming a 6–10 team into a 13–3 team in his first season as general manager.[6] The next month he received a contract extension through 2016."

So, he got them primed to compete for, and get to, the Super Bowl.  After that, per Wikipedia "After a 2014 season filled with reports that Baalke and then-49ers coach Jim Harbaugh had been clashing, the 49ers parted ways with Harbaugh and promoted defensive line coach Jim Tomsula to the head coaching position."

So, they fired Harbaugh.  Why not Baalke, if he was such a big problem?  Harbaugh has since been found to be a divisive 'my way or the highway, ego-driven' coach, much like Meyer was.  That's a big reason why he and Kelly returned to college coaching, and why Meyer will eventually, There are parallels here.

Finally, he was fired with Chip Kelly, another allegedly 'difficult' coach to work with (remember the racist allegations made against him by his own players in Philly? along with the 'smartest guy in the room' syndrome, which is fine, but its how you display it).  Baalke's contract had been fulfilled.  In that case, its natural to move on from the Coach/GM package.

So, the 'trend' I see is that he's gotten saddled with either lousy or megalomaniacal coaches (with Meyer, both attributes apply).

If he can partner effectively with Pederson to get this team to a SB as quickly as he did with SF, I'll take that any day over what we've had here over the last 22 years.

His early teams did well largely because of players he inherited.  The more he made personnel moves, the more the team went downhill.

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First of all, they were 11-4-1 in Yr 2 above.  That year, they went to the Super Bowl.

Per Wikipedia, "In January 2012, Baalke was named PFWA Executive of the Year for the 2011 season, after being credited for transforming a 6–10 team into a 13–3 team in his first season as general manager.[6] The next month he received a contract extension through 2016."

So, he got them primed to compete for, and get to, the Super Bowl.  After that, per Wikipedia "After a 2014 season filled with reports that Baalke and then-49ers coach Jim Harbaugh had been clashing, the 49ers parted ways with Harbaugh and promoted defensive line coach Jim Tomsula to the head coaching position."

So, they fired Harbaugh.  Why not Baalke, if he was such a big problem?  Harbaugh has since been found to be a divisive 'my way or the highway, ego-driven' coach, much like Meyer was.  That's a big reason why he and Kelly returned to college coaching, and why Meyer will eventually, There are parallels here.

Finally, he was fired with Chip Kelly, another allegedly 'difficult' coach to work with (remember the racist allegations made against him by his own players in Philly? along with the 'smartest guy in the room' syndrome, which is fine, but its how you display it).  Baalke's contract had been fulfilled.  In that case, its natural to move on from the Coach/GM package.

So, the 'trend' I see is that he's gotten saddled with either lousy or megalomaniacal coaches (with Meyer, both attributes apply).

If he can partner effectively with Pederson to get this team to a SB as quickly as he did with SF, I'll take that any day over what we've had here over the last 22 years.

His early teams did well largely because of players he inherited.  The more he made personnel moves, the more the team went downhill.

Yeah, you're right, those people at PFWA know nothing, and this message board knows everything. Maybe they'll even award one of us Executive of the Year by proxy. Maybe in the Multiverse!

Also, why couldn't the team's record have gone down hill because the team was sick and tired of Harbaugh and his coaching style? Had to be Baalke tho, cause he's obviously out on the field every day interacting with the players.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

His early teams did well largely because of players he inherited.  The more he made personnel moves, the more the team went downhill.

Yeah, you're right, those people at PFWA know nothing, and this message board knows everything.  Maybe they'll even award one of us Executive of the Year by proxy.  Maybe in the Mutiverse!

Also, why couldn't the team's record have gone down hill because the team was sick and tired of Harbaugh and his coaching style?  Had to be Baalke tho, cause he's obviously out on the field every day interacting with the players.

Year 1:  Mostly holdovers with some Baalke players mixed in.
Record:  13-3

Year 6:  Mostly Baalke selected players
Record:  2-14

Coaching helps, but personally I'm one who believes Jimmy and Joe's count far more than X's and O's.  You are free to believe what you want to believe.

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Maybe we have been too harsh in assuming he can't draft well. I still think he's a snake in the grass and will throw someone under the bus in a heartbeat. There's too long of a track record to suggest otherwise.

No there isn’t.  There’s a lot of “fan filled in blanks” to things we don’t know which has been taken as gospel by some.  The fan base wanted a clean slate and got angry when it wasn’t given and latched on to the negative viewpoint on him going around as justification for the anger.

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You are right it is the owner who screwed up.

He did screw up. 

He also just hired a SB winning coach and spent a historic amount in free agency to attempt righting the ship. 
I'm kind-of excited to see how this pans out, personally. 
Arrow is up, which makes it an odd time for the wailing and gnashing of teeth IMO.

We don't know the arrow is pointing up yet. I am watching and waiting.... you know just like we have been doing every year Khan has owned the team. The coaching arrow is pointing up but we will see soon.

I am not falling for trusting GMs anymore. We will see.

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The Khan Years

Patience, Persistence, and Piss Poor General Managers.

And the Debate/Disagreement(s) continues.

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

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"AZANE"