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Have we been too harsh on Baalke?
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08-29-2022, 10:06 PM
(This post was last modified: 08-29-2022, 10:07 PM by NewJagsCity. Edited 2 times in total.)
(08-29-2022, 05:13 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote:(08-29-2022, 04:44 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: Yeah, you're right, those people at PFWA know nothing, and this message board knows everything. Maybe they'll even award one of us Executive of the Year by proxy. Maybe in the Mutiverse! I think we'd both agree it's a balance. Terrible coaching can neutralize elite talent, and great coaching can elevate avg to above avg talent. What percentage of which is more or less important can be debated endlessly.
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Not too hard at all. I still think passing on Aiden Hutchinson was a big mistake, I hope Travon Walker proves me wrong but he has a lot of work ahead of him to be even half the player Aiden is at right now. He's burned bridges at every organization he's been apart of and even though we spent a historic amount of money in FA, look who we spent it on. A lot of average players. This organization has been bad for a long time, and a lot of that blame falls on Shad. I love the Pederson hiring but let's see how much input he actually has here.
(08-29-2022, 10:38 PM)DeathByJags Wrote: Not too hard at all. I still think passing on Aiden Hutchinson was a big mistake, I hope Travon Walker proves me wrong but he has a lot of work ahead of him to be even half the player Aiden is at right now. He's burned bridges at every organization he's been apart of and even though we spent a historic amount of money in FA, look who we spent it on. A lot of average players. This organization has been bad for a long time, and a lot of that blame falls on Shad. I love the Pederson hiring but let's see how much input he actually has here. I thought so too but now I am not so sure... Walker seems like he is gonna be pretty good.
"Treyvon Wallet is elite run defender and better overall than Aidan Hutchinson" 11/11/23
(08-29-2022, 10:38 PM)DeathByJags Wrote: Not too hard at all. I still think passing on Aiden Hutchinson was a big mistake, I hope Travon Walker proves me wrong but he has a lot of work ahead of him to be even half the player Aiden is at right now. He's burned bridges at every organization he's been apart of and even though we spent a historic amount of money in FA, look who we spent it on. A lot of average players. This organization has been bad for a long time, and a lot of that blame falls on Shad. I love the Pederson hiring but let's see how much input he actually has here. TheOLineMatters that you?
(08-29-2022, 10:38 PM)DeathByJags Wrote: Not too hard at all. I still think passing on Aiden Hutchinson was a big mistake, I hope Travon Walker proves me wrong but he has a lot of work ahead of him to be even half the player Aiden is at right now. He's burned bridges at every organization he's been apart of and even though we spent a historic amount of money in FA, look who we spent it on. A lot of average players. This organization has been bad for a long time, and a lot of that blame falls on Shad. I love the Pederson hiring but let's see how much input he actually has here. I wasn't sure, because like most I just assumed what I heard. So originally I agreed with you, however from what i've seen now I think taking Hutch would have been a massive dissapointment. Walker looks insane. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(08-29-2022, 11:35 PM)Eric1 Wrote:(08-29-2022, 10:38 PM)DeathByJags Wrote: Not too hard at all. I still think passing on Aiden Hutchinson was a big mistake, I hope Travon Walker proves me wrong but he has a lot of work ahead of him to be even half the player Aiden is at right now. He's burned bridges at every organization he's been apart of and even though we spent a historic amount of money in FA, look who we spent it on. A lot of average players. This organization has been bad for a long time, and a lot of that blame falls on Shad. I love the Pederson hiring but let's see how much input he actually has here. Are you just saying that or what happened to that guy? Did they ban him or something? Haven't seen him in a while
"Treyvon Wallet is elite run defender and better overall than Aidan Hutchinson" 11/11/23
(08-29-2022, 11:50 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote:(08-29-2022, 11:35 PM)Eric1 Wrote: TheOLineMatters that you? Mostly just saying that because he wanted Hutch, or Sauce Gardner and hated Walker. He said if Walker was the pick he'd quit the Jags and stop following them. Fast forward to draft night and Walker was indeed the pick. He then proceeded to say he was officially done with the Jags and hasn't logged back on since. At least not on that account anyways. I have a hard time believing he hasn't paid at least some attention to what has been going on though.
(08-30-2022, 12:02 AM)Eric1 Wrote:(08-29-2022, 11:50 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: Are you just saying that or what happened to that guy? Did they ban him or something? Haven't seen him in a while
"Treyvon Wallet is elite run defender and better overall than Aidan Hutchinson" 11/11/23
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(08-29-2022, 11:35 PM)Eric1 Wrote:(08-29-2022, 10:38 PM)DeathByJags Wrote: Not too hard at all. I still think passing on Aiden Hutchinson was a big mistake, I hope Travon Walker proves me wrong but he has a lot of work ahead of him to be even half the player Aiden is at right now. He's burned bridges at every organization he's been apart of and even though we spent a historic amount of money in FA, look who we spent it on. A lot of average players. This organization has been bad for a long time, and a lot of that blame falls on Shad. I love the Pederson hiring but let's see how much input he actually has here. I think it is him. Notice he says "I still think..." and yet that was his first post on this board under that name.
(08-30-2022, 12:02 AM)Eric1 Wrote:(08-29-2022, 11:50 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: Are you just saying that or what happened to that guy? Did they ban him or something? Haven't seen him in a while And he hated Baalke and goes on to say we haven't been too hard on him at all (08-29-2022, 10:38 PM)DeathByJags Wrote: Not too hard at all. I still think passing on Aiden Hutchinson was a big mistake, I hope Travon Walker proves me wrong but he has a lot of work ahead of him to be even half the player Aiden is at right now. He's burned bridges at every organization he's been apart of and even though we spent a historic amount of money in FA, look who we spent it on. A lot of average players. This organization has been bad for a long time, and a lot of that blame falls on Shad. I love the Pederson hiring but let's see how much input he actually has here. Glad to have you back
(08-30-2022, 06:00 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:(08-30-2022, 12:02 AM)Eric1 Wrote: Mostly just saying that because he wanted Hutch, or Sauce Gardner and hated Walker. He said if Walker was the pick he'd quit the Jags and stop following them. Fast forward to draft night and Walker was indeed the pick. He then proceeded to say he was officially done with the Jags and hasn't logged back on since. At least not on that account anyways. I have a hard time believing he hasn't paid at least some attention to what has been going on though. (08-29-2022, 02:42 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote:(08-29-2022, 02:07 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: Again, that could be a function of Meyer. He certainly had heavy input in who he wanted here, via draft or FA, to the point where he even tried out Tebow. hogwash. Quote:Jaguars management has stressed that Urban Meyer will be the key decision-maker, above anyone else. Team owner Shad Khan said so himself when he introduced Meyer last week. (08-29-2022, 03:31 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote:(08-29-2022, 03:02 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: Really??? I give up. You forgot to demand FULL CONSISTENCY. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (08-29-2022, 04:14 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote:(08-29-2022, 03:45 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: Fans clowned Baalke because he didn't deserve the job. His record as San Francisco's gm was the following: You touched on something there, and ownership is partly why I get uptight when people only look at the record to suggest that the failing was solely on the GM. From Jed York's wiki: Quote:Commenting on York's ability to manage the critical relationship between the general manager and the head coach, Michael Rosenberg wrote in Sports Illustrated, "he failed completely."[10] Rosenberg also described York's impact on the broader 49ers organization, noting that "York has created a culture that encourages selfishness, weakness and back-stabbing." Throughout the season, there were numerous leaks to the media from within the 49ers organization criticizing Coach Harbaugh. San Jose Mercury News columnist Tim Kawakami noted "York and [General Manager, Trent] Baalke were the primary sources for the off-the-record disclosures that undercut Harbaugh's tenure."[11] As with the interaction between Meyer and Baalke, we really don't know the depth of his interaction with York. Was he simply carrying out marching orders in doing what he did? People criticize his prior coaching hires, but those same hires were praised by York, and did nothing to undo the chaos that led to Harbaugh's departure. If you read the wiki, York was doing everything possible to sour his coach's relationship with the team. Jury's still out on whether the current Baalke can right the ship. So far, nobody can deny that we have improved over the past 9 months. Give it time.
(08-30-2022, 09:00 AM)Mikey Wrote:(08-29-2022, 02:42 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: Meyer had input with the FAs? The guy who didn't know who A. Donald is? He only brought his guys, the others were on Baalke. Last post about it. Meyer? The guy that didn't know Aaron Donald? The guy that didn't even know his own players? The guy that obviously didn't care? People on twitter were asking the reporters to invent a player on the Jaguars and ask Meyer about him to see if he fell for it...
"Treyvon Wallet is elite run defender and better overall than Aidan Hutchinson" 11/11/23
08-30-2022, 09:46 AM
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(08-30-2022, 09:42 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote:(08-30-2022, 09:00 AM)Mikey Wrote: hogwash. Not sure which part of the post you are responding to, but it sounds like you think Meyer was an inept buffoon as a coach, which has been my point all along.
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08-30-2022, 09:48 AM
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(08-30-2022, 04:54 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:(08-29-2022, 11:35 PM)Eric1 Wrote: TheOLineMatters that you? Busted in his very first post on his new account LOL. OLineMatters stop the BS, no one is surprised you are back, also no one is complaining. Welcome back lol (08-30-2022, 09:46 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote:(08-30-2022, 09:42 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: Last post about it. Mikey will know
"Treyvon Wallet is elite run defender and better overall than Aidan Hutchinson" 11/11/23
We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (08-29-2022, 04:40 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote:(08-29-2022, 04:14 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: First of all, they were 11-4-1 in Yr 2 above. That year, they went to the Super Bowl. Yeah key personnel move being Kap. It was all downhill after that one 12-4 year. Baalke was in the 9ers org since 05 making personnel moves and decisions. I'm not saying he's great, will be great or whatever. But this internet message board mob is plainly idiotic sometimes with their revisionist history. 9ers had good players. They then relied heavily on a gimmicky QB, then when he got hurt/committed career suicide and the turmoil with the HC happened and the following carousel its only a matter of time before the GM gets shown the door. He had a solid run in SF. That's all we need from him. Get some good pieces over a few off seasons, Doug and Trev should carry us the rest of the way. Personally I think he's doing pretty good so far considering. And what happened in SF 10 years ago matters very little at this point. (08-30-2022, 09:42 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote:(08-30-2022, 09:00 AM)Mikey Wrote: hogwash. That's precisely the point. If Meyer was so dang clueless AND we have it on record that Meyer was given authority over the roster it's a bit of a stretch to lay the blame squarely on Baalke's shoulders as you did. (which was the entire premise of the question to begin this thread)
08-30-2022, 10:40 AM
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(08-30-2022, 10:17 AM)Mikey Wrote:(08-30-2022, 09:42 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: Last post about it. So a guy who knew pretty much nothing about the NFL somehow the decided to bring Marvin Jones, Ward, Manhertz RRH, Jenkins, Griffin and Agnew? Obviously Hyde, Dorsett and the others were his guys but the others... Also the draft was obviously mostly not Meyer (who was also probably clueless about players there too except Ohio St guys), we know Baalke has a thing for players who have had injuries but whatever BTW I never said it was all Baalke's fault but the most important FA's were. Meyer guys were cheap and old (Dorsett, Hyde).
"Treyvon Wallet is elite run defender and better overall than Aidan Hutchinson" 11/11/23
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