We still have a crappy owner 

Are you ignoring the fact that we have swimming pools in our stadium?

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We still have a crappy owner 

Are you ignoring the fact that we have swimming pools in our stadium?

Yeah, but they took the dog park out though.  Feels like a step backwards.  Dogs need pools too!

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I like Trevor a lot but he does have some inconsistencies. Very curious to see what he looks like tho away from Urban and with better talent surrounding him.

Yes, this season will be very important for us to evaluate him. 

I'd like to compare him to Justin Herbert since Herbert also plays for a bad team. In fact, I'll make Herbert the benchmark whether Lawrence is good enough. 

Herbert's rookie season was 4,338 yds 31 TD 10 Int. His second season was 5,014 yds 38 TD 15 Int. I'd like Lawrence to reach at least Herbert's 2020 season. Some leeway will be given if the team is much better than anticipated.

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We still have a crappy owner and a questionable GM. We have seen a bunch of great throws already just need competency someway and somewhere around the guy. I have a wait and see approach.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion(s).

We Don't have a "Crappy Owner" and "a questionable GM" remains to be seen. Mr. Khan has went above and beyond to his/our team successful. He's been seriously patient within the past on Most levels w/respect the the Jaguars and it won't change anytime soon. 

As for classifying Baalke (your words) as questionable, that's an upgrade because last season he was classified as a person that's Not Worthy on ALL levels. Let's allow the 2022 game plan to play out of which was set up by Mr. Khan (no pun intended).

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

Yes time will tell. The owner kept with a prior GM that couldn't retain talent and let an elite cornerback trade produce pale replacements.

Yes it is my opinion and I hope I see something this year that rewards suffering with this team.

Baalke is very suspect and I can forgive retention with improvements on the field but for now he has proven he can spend money.

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Fans deserve better. Thanks for all the good times too many are in the past.

I like Trevor a lot but he does have some inconsistencies. Very curious to see what he looks like tho away from Urban and with better talent surrounding him.

Yes, this season will be very important for us to evaluate him. 

I'd like to compare him to Justin Herbert since Herbert also plays for a bad team. In fact, I'll make Herbert the benchmark whether Lawrence is good enough. 

Herbert's rookie season was 4,338 yds 31 TD 10 Int. His second season was 5,014 yds 38 TD 15 Int. I'd like Lawrence to reach at least Herbert's 2020 season. Some leeway will be given if the team is much better than anticipated.

For Lawrence to go from his rookie season stats to Justin Herberts rookie season would be a massive improvement of 19 TDs and 7 less ints. Would be awesome.

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I like Trevor a lot but he does have some inconsistencies. Very curious to see what he looks like tho away from Urban and with better talent surrounding him.

Yes, this season will be very important for us to evaluate him. 

I'd like to compare him to Justin Herbert since Herbert also plays for a bad team. In fact, I'll make Herbert the benchmark whether Lawrence is good enough. 

Herbert's rookie season was 4,338 yds 31 TD 10 Int. His second season was 5,014 yds 38 TD 15 Int. I'd like Lawrence to reach at least Herbert's 2020 season. Some leeway will be given if the team is much better than anticipated.

I'm sorry.... What?! Can you elaborate on the Chargers being a bad team?

They have 2 elite WRs and Josh Palmer is good. Then they have Eckler. A stud LT. 2 elite pass rushers in Bosa and Mack. JC Jackson at corner and Derwin James at safety. They actually have one of the best rosters in the NFL.

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Yes, this season will be very important for us to evaluate him. 

I'd like to compare him to Justin Herbert since Herbert also plays for a bad team. In fact, I'll make Herbert the benchmark whether Lawrence is good enough. 

Herbert's rookie season was 4,338 yds 31 TD 10 Int. His second season was 5,014 yds 38 TD 15 Int. I'd like Lawrence to reach at least Herbert's 2020 season. Some leeway will be given if the team is much better than anticipated.

I'm sorry.... What?! Can you elaborate on the Chargers being a bad team?

They have 2 elite WRs and Josh Palmer is good. Then they have Eckler. A stud LT. 2 elite pass rushers in Bosa and Mack. JC Jackson at corner and Derwin James at safety. They actually have one of the best rosters in the NFL.

Sure, 9-8 is ok but 7-9 the season before isn't that great. Don't apply Jaguars standards to other teams. The head coach was fired after 2020. Meyer is in a league of his own but Anthony Lynn wasn't exactly elite either. In fact, saying they have a strong roster just goes to prove that(I know it was an earlier season).

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I'm sorry.... What?! Can you elaborate on the Chargers being a bad team?

They have 2 elite WRs and Josh Palmer is good. Then they have Eckler. A stud LT. 2 elite pass rushers in Bosa and Mack. JC Jackson at corner and Derwin James at safety. They actually have one of the best rosters in the NFL.

Sure, 9-8 is ok but 7-9 the season before isn't that great. Don't apply Jaguars standards to other teams. The head coach was fired after 2020. Meyer is in a league of his own but Anthony Lynn wasn't exactly elite either. In fact, saying they have a strong roster just goes to prove that(I know it was an earlier season).

They’re a really good team.

A lot of people are picking them to go to the SB. I’m not totally sure what you’re seeing. I can see an underachieving team but a bad team? The Jags are bad. The chargers are not.

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Sure, 9-8 is ok but 7-9 the season before isn't that great. Don't apply Jaguars standards to other teams. The head coach was fired after 2020. Meyer is in a league of his own but Anthony Lynn wasn't exactly elite either. In fact, saying they have a strong roster just goes to prove that(I know it was an earlier season).

They’re a really good team.

A lot of people are picking them to go to the SB. I’m not totally sure what you’re seeing. I can see an underachieving team but a bad team? The Jags are bad. The chargers are not.

I think you're confusing 2022 with earlier seasons. The stats I provided are for 2020 and 2021 when the team was a combined 16-17. Herbert did not hold that team back which is the main point I wanted to make. He played well even when the team didn't. But maybe I should have said Herbert played for a bad team. It doesn't really change the point.

This is what we should expect from Lawrence this year. The team should no longer be terrible and the coach is a pro. If the receivers play as well as they did Week 18 last year this should be doable, right?

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They’re a really good team.

A lot of people are picking them to go to the SB. I’m not totally sure what you’re seeing. I can see an underachieving team but a bad team? The Jags are bad. The chargers are not.

I think you're confusing 2022 with earlier seasons.  The stats I provided are for 2020 and 2021 when the team was a combined 16-17. Herbert did not hold that team back which is the main point I wanted to make. He played well even when the team didn't. But maybe I should have said Herbert played for a bad team. It doesn't really change the point.

This is what we should expect from Lawrence this year. The team should no longer be terrible and the coach is a pro. If the receivers play as well as they did Week 18 last year this should be doable, right?

The Chargers were an underperforming team with good players. It's really not comparable.

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They’re a really good team.

A lot of people are picking them to go to the SB. I’m not totally sure what you’re seeing. I can see an underachieving team but a bad team? The Jags are bad. The chargers are not.

I think you're confusing 2022 with earlier seasons.  The stats I provided are for 2020 and 2021 when the team was a combined 16-17. Herbert did not hold that team back which is the main point I wanted to make. He played well even when the team didn't. But maybe I should have said Herbert played for a bad team. It doesn't really change the point.

This is what we should expect from Lawrence this year. The team should no longer be terrible and the coach is a pro. If the receivers play as well as they did Week 18 last year this should be doable, right?

So if 16-17 is bad for 2 seasons, what about a team who won 4 games in 2 seasons? Lol

I don’t think you can categorize a team that 1 an OT botch away from the playoffs a “bad team”.

It’s also tough compare Trevor straight up to Herbert the last 2 years because the offensive talent around him is so much better. I wish Trevor had Williams, Allen and Eckler.

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„ BIGGEST STRENGTH: ACCURACY
Like an elite 3-point shooter in the NBA, Lawrence always manages to get himself into the proper position to make a throw. His arm is plenty strong, but it’s his impressive footwork that allows him to get the most out of it, whether he’s on the move or throwing from a collapsing pocket.“

…. Is this not his biggest weakness really? Accuracy is off sometimes because his footwork is off.

I noticed that he bails way too fast. He needs to make quicker decisions which means make quicker reads. I’m not worried about his mechanics and footwork etc.

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This thread should get more interesting if Lawrence has a bad game against the Commanders.

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Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

This thread should get more interesting if Lawrence has a bad game against the Commanders.

It will depend on what happens on the field. If it is Lawrence's fault that is a different story. I suspect there will be trouble all season long. I do think we will see a good season in terms of direction and capability. Week 1 is very hard to predict. Especially for a team as historically bad as this one.

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Birth of the Franchise - November 30, 1993
Death of the Franchise - November 29, 2011

Fans deserve better. Thanks for all the good times too many are in the past.

I think you're confusing 2022 with earlier seasons.  The stats I provided are for 2020 and 2021 when the team was a combined 16-17. Herbert did not hold that team back which is the main point I wanted to make. He played well even when the team didn't. But maybe I should have said Herbert played for a bad team. It doesn't really change the point.

This is what we should expect from Lawrence this year. The team should no longer be terrible and the coach is a pro. If the receivers play as well as they did Week 18 last year this should be doable, right?

So if 16-17 is bad for 2 seasons, what about a team who won 4 games in 2 seasons? Lol

I don’t think you can categorize a team that 1 an OT botch away from the playoffs a “bad team”.

It’s also tough compare Trevor straight up to Herbert the last 2 years because the offensive talent around him is so much better. I wish Trevor had Williams, Allen and Eckler.

The chargers went 5-11 in 2019.

Herbert  didn't join a good team.

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This thread should get more interesting if Lawrence has a bad game against the Commanders.

It doesn't matter if he even has a good game and we lose

People will still find a way to shift blame

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This thread should get more interesting if Lawrence has a bad game against the Commanders.

What would make more sense would be for people to lay out their parameters for a good performance or a bad performance now instead after the game.

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Trevor's going to have to really work hard if he wants to keep pace with Stafford for the interceptions title again. That dude can really toss a pick.

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This thread should get more interesting if Lawrence has a bad game against the Commanders.

What would make more sense would be for people to lay out their parameters for a good performance or a bad performance now instead after the game.

>60%, >250 yards, with an average of 2 TD and <1 Int per game is the baseline for me this year.

However, if the team scores 30 points and he throws 200 yards with a TD and a pick on Sunday I'm not going to be upset about it.

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