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This came up in my youtube and was going to ignore it but decided to watch it since it's a "short". I don't know when Trump talked about this but I assume it's when he was still in office and somewhere around the time Zelensky had a sit down with him. Interesting. 

I legit don't know much about geopolitics and such but over the last 10 months I have heard ad nauseam how corrupt the Ukraine government is and I guess it's hard for me to square that with Putin's invasion and other things. This can turn into a long discussion in another thread but I just wanted to share this here.

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How dare you doubt the manipulated autism spectrum girl from Sweden, or wherever.

“Blah, blah, blah”.
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(12-26-2022, 02:44 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/stat...d3wvQ&s=19

This winter alone, so far, should confirm this.
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There may not be a climate threat caused by man, but there is a threat that is. We will render this planet uninhabitable for ourselves if huge changes do not occur

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(12-26-2022, 04:29 PM)Jagwired Wrote: There may not be a climate threat caused by man, but there is a threat that is. We will render this planet uninhabitable for ourselves if huge changes do not occur

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You're completely wrong. Climate change is global.  Plastic waste accumulates locally.  They're both bad, but only one is a global threat.

In fact if there is ever a solution that creates more plastic waste but less CO2 emissions, take that trade every day
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(12-26-2022, 04:29 PM)Jagwired Wrote: There may not be a climate threat caused by man, but there is a threat that is. We will render this planet uninhabitable for ourselves if huge changes do not occur

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Agree, and imagine the cleanup involved.
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90% of the plastic waste that ends up in Oceans is from China and India.
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(12-26-2022, 01:11 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: This came up in my youtube and was going to ignore it but decided to watch it since it's a "short". I don't know when Trump talked about this but I assume it's when he was still in office and somewhere around the time Zelensky had a sit down with him. Interesting. 

I legit don't know much about geopolitics and such but over the last 10 months I have heard ad nauseam how corrupt the Ukraine government is and I guess it's hard for me to square that with Putin's invasion and other things. This can turn into a long discussion in another thread but I just wanted to share this here.

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It shouldn't be hard to square. Zelensky is corrupt, and he's a puppet of the US ruling class. Putin stands against that ruling class, but he also has a vision of Russia that's a major world player. He can't do that without certain geographic advantages. He's expansionist and dangerous, but so is the ruling class of the West (from other countries' perspectives). Two things can be true at once. Zelensky is a tool. Putin is dangerous.
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(12-27-2022, 09:31 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote:
(12-26-2022, 01:11 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: This came up in my youtube and was going to ignore it but decided to watch it since it's a "short". I don't know when Trump talked about this but I assume it's when he was still in office and somewhere around the time Zelensky had a sit down with him. Interesting. 

I legit don't know much about geopolitics and such but over the last 10 months I have heard ad nauseam how corrupt the Ukraine government is and I guess it's hard for me to square that with Putin's invasion and other things. This can turn into a long discussion in another thread but I just wanted to share this here.

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It shouldn't be hard to square. Zelensky is corrupt, and he's a puppet of the US ruling class. Putin stands against that ruling class, but he also has a vision of Russia that's a major world player. He can't do that without certain geographic advantages. He's expansionist and dangerous, but so is the ruling class of the West (from other countries' perspectives). Two things can be true at once. Zelensky is a tool. Putin is dangerous.

Thanks. Like I said, I don't know much about geopolitics. I tend to want to know the why of things and that can send me down a rabbit hole when I try to research things.
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(12-27-2022, 05:48 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/...W5mRA&s=19

Great call!!
Thankfully it should stay in place for at worse until June.

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(12-27-2022, 05:48 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/...W5mRA&s=19

Great call!!

It's good they ruled this way, but I agree with Justice Gorsuch's statement. This is the Supreme Court ruling to provide a temporary patch for a grievously incompetent government. This is not their job. 

"For my part, I do not discount the States’ concerns. Even the federal government acknowledges ‘that the end of the Title 42 orders will likely have disruptive consequences,'" he continued in the dissent. "But the current border crisis is not a COVID crisis. And courts should not be in the business of perpetuating administrative edicts designed for one emergency only because elected officials have failed to address a different emergency. We are a court of law, not policymakers of last resort."

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(12-28-2022, 10:19 AM)homebiscuit Wrote:
(12-27-2022, 05:48 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/...W5mRA&s=19

Great call!!

It's good they ruled this way, but I agree with Justice Gorsuch's statement. This is the Supreme Court ruling to provide a temporary patch for a grievously incompetent government. This is not their job. 

"For my part, I do not discount the States’ concerns. Even the federal government acknowledges ‘that the end of the Title 42 orders will likely have disruptive consequences,'" he continued in the dissent. "But the current border crisis is not a COVID crisis. And courts should not be in the business of perpetuating administrative edicts designed for one emergency only because elected officials have failed to address a different emergency. We are a court of law, not policymakers of last resort."

Well it was a great call because they issued the stay. But yeah, they uphold the rule of law, not enact policy.

Either way, it should have never come to this. Just another example of an extremely failed Presidency.
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(12-28-2022, 10:31 AM)WingerDinger Wrote:
(12-28-2022, 10:19 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: It's good they ruled this way, but I agree with Justice Gorsuch's statement. This is the Supreme Court ruling to provide a temporary patch for a grievously incompetent government. This is not their job. 

"For my part, I do not discount the States’ concerns. Even the federal government acknowledges ‘that the end of the Title 42 orders will likely have disruptive consequences,'" he continued in the dissent. "But the current border crisis is not a COVID crisis. And courts should not be in the business of perpetuating administrative edicts designed for one emergency only because elected officials have failed to address a different emergency. We are a court of law, not policymakers of last resort."

Well it was a great call because they issued the stay. But yeah, they uphold the rule of law, not enact policy.

Either way, it should have never come to this. Just another example of an extremely failed Presidency.

Neither Biden's fault nor Trump’s.   Our immigration law makes no sense and is impossible to enforce.  Congress needs to enact a sensible immigration law giving the President the authority to make people who lack papers stay in Mexico.  And there should be more slots, easier to get, for legal and able bodied people to come. No one should be allowed to cut in line saying "but I'm a refugee" with no proof.  This was true 30 years ago and nothing has changed.
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Lol. Yeah. It's nobody's fault.
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(12-28-2022, 01:16 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Lol. Yeah. It's nobody's fault.

I'm not even responding to that garbage.
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(12-28-2022, 01:16 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Lol. Yeah. It's nobody's fault.

It's very much somebody's fault.
Blame Congress and the various lobbyists they bow to.
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(12-28-2022, 10:19 AM)homebiscuit Wrote:
(12-27-2022, 05:48 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/...W5mRA&s=19

Great call!!

It's good they ruled this way, but I agree with Justice Gorsuch's statement. This is the Supreme Court ruling to provide a temporary patch for a grievously incompetent government. This is not their job. 

"For my part, I do not discount the States’ concerns. Even the federal government acknowledges ‘that the end of the Title 42 orders will likely have disruptive consequences,'" he continued in the dissent. "But the current border crisis is not a COVID crisis. And courts should not be in the business of perpetuating administrative edicts designed for one emergency only because elected officials have failed to address a different emergency. We are a court of law, not policymakers of last resort."

Agreed but most of the people on the left think judges should do it.

Then the States are saying the federal government is refusing to do anything about it and then stopping them from doing it in their own states.


(12-28-2022, 01:16 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Lol. Yeah. It's nobody's fault.
(12-28-2022, 02:23 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(12-28-2022, 01:16 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Lol. Yeah. It's nobody's fault.

It's very much somebody's fault.
Blame Congress and the various lobbyists they bow to.
It's the uniparty. Both sides want illegal immigrants, otherwise laws would be followed.

Simply requiring e-verify for working and government social programs or renting would put an immediate stop to it. Then charge companies, government employees, and renters who don't check or go around it.

They will all leave on their own.


You can allow immigration, families, etc to all come here as long as they have jobs and can support themselves or have a sponsor willing to do it.

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