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College Prospects - 2023
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(03-01-2023, 04:34 PM)cat bells Wrote:It's just horrible decisions after horrible decision.(03-01-2023, 04:10 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: I might because I have Doug Pederson. 1. Drove 98 in a 45. 2. Then, months later, decides to race his teammate and ultimately it gets a teammate killed. 3. Then he lies to the police about where he was when the race took place. He clearly needs some strong mentoring right from the jump and I think the Jags locker room is trending in that direction. Other good places would be Baltimore, Pittsburgh, KC... Teams like that. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(03-01-2023, 04:10 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:(03-01-2023, 02:15 PM)Dockerill91 Wrote: Question is, if he’s there at around 20, would you move up and take him?I might because I have Doug Pederson. I’m inclined to agree with you. He’s what we’re screaming for in the middle but I also think we have the locker room presence now to control him. He would instantly make this D massively better and he has a bunch of young talent to look around and think ‘if I focus like them I could be a star’ but also a fair bit of vet experience and a top head coach. (03-01-2023, 04:47 PM)Dockerill91 Wrote:(03-01-2023, 04:10 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: I might because I have Doug Pederson. It’s been said in another post and I know a lot of talk there was about not having players coach, but if we could somehow grab him and then find the cap to get Campbell back, that would be ideal for all parties.
Again I'd agree with you on Kincaid ... He has the feeling of a guy who is going to fall into the wrong area of the draft for us! Very possibly other priorities in round 1 ... Unlikely to be there come round 2.... Sadly Caldrac's probably right ... Could drop lovely for a KC or a Bengals to build a monster!
(03-01-2023, 01:21 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:(03-01-2023, 01:04 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: Those teams who were strongly considering Carter now have nearly 2 months to do their due diligence on him. We all know how certain media figures will exaggerate to get attention. Teams that passed on Pickens last season are likely regretting it now as I'm not aware of any character transgressions he had with the Steelers. If Carter turns out to be a similar situation, some team will be getting a steal. Maybe I'm naive, but it doesn't seem like it would be too difficult to find out what type of character issues a player may have. The Jaguars have messed up twice in this area; Coughlin selecting Soward still boggles my mind and drafting Justin Blackmon was also totally avoidable had they done more research on him.There's a difference between character concerns and someone who was racing at 2am which led to a teammates death. This also isn't his first time speeding like that. He was caught going 98 in a 45 I think before as well. He also lied to the cops about where he was during the race. He said he was over a mile away. That's true. Carter is definitely guilty of stupidity (in this instance), immaturity and terrible judgement. He will have to live with the consequences of his actions. I'd still take him, however, if he hasn't had any other incidences related to alcohol, abusive behavior, etc. I'd also want to see what kind of teammate he was and whether he is a leader or follower. The guy made a terrible mistake, but that doesn't mean he is necessarily a bad guy.
(03-01-2023, 01:21 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:(03-01-2023, 01:04 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: Those teams who were strongly considering Carter now have nearly 2 months to do their due diligence on him. We all know how certain media figures will exaggerate to get attention. Teams that passed on Pickens last season are likely regretting it now as I'm not aware of any character transgressions he had with the Steelers. If Carter turns out to be a similar situation, some team will be getting a steal. Maybe I'm naive, but it doesn't seem like it would be too difficult to find out what type of character issues a player may have. The Jaguars have messed up twice in this area; Coughlin selecting Soward still boggles my mind and drafting Justin Blackmon was also totally avoidable had they done more research on him.There's a difference between character concerns and someone who was racing at 2am which led to a teammates death. This also isn't his first time speeding like that. He was caught going 98 in a 45 I think before as well. He also lied to the cops about where he was during the race. He said he was over a mile away. I don't know. If he's still there at 11, the tacks will most likely take him. They took Simmons in the 1st round in 2019.
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(03-02-2023, 03:48 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/status...01501?s=20 4.67 tho
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(03-02-2023, 06:02 PM)jessepeck1213 Wrote:He’s still a good prospect but length actually is important. Likely not a 1st rounder anymore.(03-02-2023, 03:48 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/status...01501?s=20
(03-02-2023, 03:48 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/status...01501?s=20 So he's not the best DT of All Time? Damn Arm length isn't important for a DT. Edge it's much more important. (03-02-2023, 06:02 PM)jessepeck1213 Wrote:(03-02-2023, 03:48 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/status...01501?s=20 That's insane https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/...57280?s=20 We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (03-02-2023, 06:10 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:Arm length is important for anyone who plays on the DLine. You wanna be the first one to put your hands on someone.(03-02-2023, 03:48 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/status...01501?s=20 And yes, people compared him to Donald because he’s a small DT and went to Pitt. It was clearly an unfair comparison even before the combine. He’s running well but I’m not sure if he will be taken in round 1. It’s not just because of the combine. The combine is just one tool used in an overall evaluation. There are some drills that certain positions need to hit (shuttle for Oline) in order to garner attention.
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(03-02-2023, 06:25 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:(03-02-2023, 06:10 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: So he's not the best DT of All Time? DamnArm length is important for anyone who plays on the DLine. You wanna be the first one to put your hands on someone. When teams are scouting DTs they aren't looking at arm length. Yes he is a smaller DT and went to Pitt but I haven't seen the first person to compare the 2 or say he is the next AD lol. If a team had a first round grade on him they aren't dropping him out of the first because of his arm length. Broke ADs record while you bring up AD lol https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...google.com
We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (03-02-2023, 06:35 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:(03-02-2023, 06:25 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: Arm length is important for anyone who plays on the DLine. You wanna be the first one to put your hands on someone. Someone actually did post a side by side comparison of the two on Twitter. I'd think about this guy at our pick in round one. Explosive interior pass rush is what we need. (03-02-2023, 06:10 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:(03-02-2023, 03:48 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/status...01501?s=20 I'd bet you $5000 right now that there are at least 10 general managers in the NFL that would tell you that's horse [BLEEP]. Especially in a 3-4 when he sometimes has more ground to cover laterally. It's OK to fall in love with a prospect that happens to have a sub-par measurable, that's OK. We're fans. But let's not try to reinvent the wheel making excuses for it. His arms are short and plenty of front offices aren't going to like that. Period. Luckily for him, it just takes one GM to believe in him and see him as a fit. (03-04-2023, 11:58 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:And you know which GM doesn’t like short arms? Baalke. Just look at his DT and DE draft record.(03-02-2023, 06:10 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: So he's not the best DT of All Time? Damn
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(03-04-2023, 11:58 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:Meh, I don't think anyone is going to move him up or down the board where they previously had him because of his arm length. Or any of the DTs because of their arm length(03-02-2023, 06:10 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: So he's not the best DT of All Time? Damn We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (03-04-2023, 12:21 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:(03-04-2023, 11:58 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: I'd bet you $5000 right now that there are at least 10 general managers in the NFL that would tell you that's horse [BLEEP].Meh, I don't think anyone is going to move him up or down the board where they previously had him because of his arm length. Or any of the DTs because of their arm length LOL They probably shouldn't even measure their arms, huh? Why bother? No one cares.
(03-04-2023, 01:13 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:(03-04-2023, 12:21 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Meh, I don't think anyone is going to move him up or down the board where they previously had him because of his arm length. Or any of the DTs because of their arm length How many rounds do you think he got bumped down because of his arm length?
It's actually very simple to explain to you why arm length matters to DTs.
Think of a reach advantage in boxing. Longer arms are a big advantage, right? Well, a guard or tackle vs a DT has a great advantage if his reach is longer in the same way. If that OT or OG gets his longer arms inside and grabs some pad and jersey, a DT with shorter arms is now at a disadvantage trying to shed the block and make a tackle or move past the offensive lineman. Simple. Conversely - a DT with longer arms than a guard or tackle has an advantage shedding or rejecting a block. Pat Kirwin explained it in his book like this: Quote:In his book Take Your Eye Off the Ball, Pat Kirwan likens the clash between the offensive and defensive lines on each play to “a series of adjacent bar fights.” If you control the chest, you control the man; if you control the man, you control the gap. |
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