https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nf...406717002/

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nf...406717002/

Makes sense to me. If the team is confident in Robinson and Little playing LT/RT this season and they're able to backfill some depth positions in free agency here shortly it's a good pick. Washington adds Lewis like qualities to the TE room blocking wise while also offering size/speed inside the red zone.

I am on board with this. Having an offense where you run it inside the red zone or have two TE's that compliment each other well is ideal. Could help enable or further isolate openings downfield for Kirk, Ridley and Jones. Allows Etienne more wiggle room and I bet he'll sometimes get lost in the shuffle down there and overlooked defensively.

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I think there is a good chance Witherspoon will be there when we pick. He would be a great addition to the secondary and a enforcer back there. He could take over on the outside as well when Williams contract is up and we can pay Campbell. Out of any player in this draft I think Witherspoon would improve the secondary the most right now, could be an elite slot corner day 1 imo

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I think there is a good chance Witherspoon will be there when we pick.  He would be a great addition to the secondary and a enforcer back there.  He could take over on the outside as well when Williams contract is up and we can pay Campbell.  Out of any player in this draft I think Witherspoon would improve the secondary the most right now, could be an elite slot corner day 1 imo

It would be really hard for the Jaguars to pass on Witherspoon, Cam Smith or Joey Porter. Ideally, one of these will be available at pick 24. Witherspoon may have dropped slightly due to hamstring issues at the Combine, however falling to 24 is still not likely. I agree with your assessment of him and he'd be filling the team's biggest need right now. 

After his combine performance, Darnell Washington has likely secured a 1st round selection with the possibility of going to the Jaguars. While I understand the excitement, I'd have to pass on him in round 1. I would clearly prefer one of those cornerbacks as well as an offensive lineman or pass rusher in round 1. Chris Manhertz is an excellent complement to Engram due to his blocking and can be re-signed for an affordable amount. The draft is extremely deep at this position and selecting LaPorta or Kraft in round 3 would give Pederson another potential weapon to utilize down the road. Beyond that, Payne Durham, Luke Schoonmaker, Zack Kuntz and Brenton Strange would be excellent additions on day 3.

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I think there is a good chance Witherspoon will be there when we pick.  He would be a great addition to the secondary and a enforcer back there.  He could take over on the outside as well when Williams contract is up and we can pay Campbell.  Out of any player in this draft I think Witherspoon would improve the secondary the most right now, could be an elite slot corner day 1 imo

It would be really hard for the Jaguars to pass on Witherspoon, Cam Smith or Joey Porter. Ideally, one of these will be available at pick 24. Witherspoon may have dropped slightly due to hamstring issues at the Combine, however falling to 24 is still not likely. I agree with your assessment of him and he'd be filling the team's biggest need right now. 

After his combine performance, Darnell Washington has likely secured a 1st round selection with the possibility of going to the Jaguars. While I understand the excitement, I'd have to pass on him in round 1. I would clearly prefer one of those cornerbacks as well as an offensive lineman or pass rusher in round 1. Chris Manhertz is an excellent complement to Engram due to his blocking and can be re-signed for an affordable amount. The draft is extremely deep at this position and selecting LaPorta or Kraft in round 3 would give Pederson another potential weapon to utilize down the road. Beyond that, Payne Durham, Luke Schoonmaker, Zack Kuntz and Brenton Strange would be excellent additions on day 3.

Agreed.

OL, DB and maybe DL/EDGE in the first two rounds.   I can't see the Jags using one of the first two picks (including $$$) on a TE.     I might be wrong though.

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I like

https://www.nfl.com/_amp/lance-zierlein-...alcons-dra

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I like

https://www.nfl.com/_amp/lance-zierlein-...alcons-dra

I wouldn’t mind it per say, but if it fell out like this I’d rather have Torrence.

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I like

https://www.nfl.com/_amp/lance-zierlein-...alcons-dra

I wouldn’t mind it per say, but if it fell out like this I’d rather have Torrence.

I'd love Torrence and he's probably my 2nd or 3rd choice.  Kancey is still my top guy though.

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I think there is a good chance Witherspoon will be there when we pick.  He would be a great addition to the secondary and a enforcer back there.  He could take over on the outside as well when Williams contract is up and we can pay Campbell.  Out of any player in this draft I think Witherspoon would improve the secondary the most right now, could be an elite slot corner day 1 imo

It would be really hard for the Jaguars to pass on Witherspoon, Cam Smith or Joey Porter. Ideally, one of these will be available at pick 24. Witherspoon may have dropped slightly due to hamstring issues at the Combine, however falling to 24 is still not likely. I agree with your assessment of him and he'd be filling the team's biggest need right now. 

After his combine performance, Darnell Washington has likely secured a 1st round selection with the possibility of going to the Jaguars. While I understand the excitement, I'd have to pass on him in round 1. I would clearly prefer one of those cornerbacks as well as an offensive lineman or pass rusher in round 1. Chris Manhertz is an excellent complement to Engram due to his blocking and can be re-signed for an affordable amount. The draft is extremely deep at this position and selecting LaPorta or Kraft in round 3 would give Pederson another potential weapon to utilize down the road. Beyond that, Payne Durham, Luke Schoonmaker, Zack Kuntz and Brenton Strange would be excellent additions on day 3.

I think pass rusher, oline, nickle corner and maybe even safety is a bigger need but if a TE is at the top of our board when we pick we need to take him.  The tag to Engram shouldn't have any barring on if we take a TE in the first or not.  Doug offense could benefit greatly with another great TE.  Also having a guy like Washington is like having another onlineman out there along with the huge target this team is missing.  Washington would alo be a huge benefit to Etienne in the run game and short yardage situations.  With Dougs creativity with the TE position he could cause matchup nightmares fore defenses.  Also what if Engram goes down?  These top TEs should be very in play at 24 depending on how the draft falls

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There are so many names in play now that I am losing track. The more I read about the various prospects and your evaluations, the more uncertain I become. Seems like most of them will be great fits. I wonder, though, how would you stack a draft board with the players that are likely to be available when we pick?

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There are so many names in play now that I am losing track. The more I read about the various prospects and your evaluations, the more uncertain I become. Seems like most of them will be great fits. I wonder, though, how would you stack a draft board with the players that are likely to be available when we pick?

1. O'Cyrus Torrence 
2. Isaiah Foskey
3. Darnell Washington
4. Antonio Johnson 
5. Darnell Wright

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Baalke learning of OT Vorhees ACL tear and watching him slide down boards:

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It would be really hard for the Jaguars to pass on Witherspoon, Cam Smith or Joey Porter. Ideally, one of these will be available at pick 24. Witherspoon may have dropped slightly due to hamstring issues at the Combine, however falling to 24 is still not likely. I agree with your assessment of him and he'd be filling the team's biggest need right now. 

After his combine performance, Darnell Washington has likely secured a 1st round selection with the possibility of going to the Jaguars. While I understand the excitement, I'd have to pass on him in round 1. I would clearly prefer one of those cornerbacks as well as an offensive lineman or pass rusher in round 1. Chris Manhertz is an excellent complement to Engram due to his blocking and can be re-signed for an affordable amount. The draft is extremely deep at this position and selecting LaPorta or Kraft in round 3 would give Pederson another potential weapon to utilize down the road. Beyond that, Payne Durham, Luke Schoonmaker, Zack Kuntz and Brenton Strange would be excellent additions on day 3.

I think pass rusher, oline, nickle corner and maybe even safety is a bigger need but if a TE is at the top of our board when we pick we need to take him.  The tag to Engram shouldn't have any barring on if we take a TE in the first or not.  Doug offense could benefit greatly with another great TE.  Also having a guy like Washington is like having another onlineman out there along with the huge target this team is missing.  Washington would alo be a huge benefit to Etienne in the run game and short yardage situations.  With Dougs creativity with the TE position he could cause matchup nightmares fore defenses.  Also what if Engram goes down?  These top TEs should be very in play at 24 depending on how the draft falls

So you would be ok with Kincaid at pick 24?

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Baalke learning of OT Vorhees ACL tear and watching him slide down boards:

LOL. Hate to say it but I was thinking the same thing when I saw the news. Walker Little 2.0. It wouldn't be a bad pick. Would just require patience as always with guys coming off of ACL injuries.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

There are so many names in play now that I am losing track. The more I read about the various prospects and your evaluations, the more uncertain I become. Seems like most of them will be great fits. I wonder, though, how would you stack a draft board with the players that are likely to be available when we pick?

1. Brian Branch: Average Combine may drop him to 24.

2. Antonio Johnson: Ideal nickel who also can cover tight ends.

3. Calijah Kancey: Almost made him number 1 due to need for interior pass rush. 

4. Isaiah Foskey

5. O'Cyrus Torrence: Poor Combine gives me pause on him. Would be upgrade due to run-blocking skills, however I'd try to sign one of free agents instead. Powers, Seumalu and McGovern would
                              fit well.

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I feel our biggest needs are Oline, CB, Edge then interior Dline in that order. That said, if Washington is there at 24 I would be hard pressed not to take him. If one ofr the top CBs are there or maybe Torrence I could see taking one but dang, Washington would be very nice to add to the mix. Now Voorhes in the 3rd would be cool too.

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I think pass rusher, oline, nickle corner and maybe even safety is a bigger need but if a TE is at the top of our board when we pick we need to take him.  The tag to Engram shouldn't have any barring on if we take a TE in the first or not.  Doug offense could benefit greatly with another great TE.  Also having a guy like Washington is like having another onlineman out there along with the huge target this team is missing.  Washington would alo be a huge benefit to Etienne in the run game and short yardage situations.  With Dougs creativity with the TE position he could cause matchup nightmares fore defenses.  Also what if Engram goes down?  These top TEs should be very in play at 24 depending on how the draft falls

So you would be ok with Kincaid at pick 24?

I want to see what he does at his Pro day.  Right now I have Washington and Mayer over him though.  I really like Musgrave as well.

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I hope we do take Vorhees in the mid rounds

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There are so many names in play now that I am losing track. The more I read about the various prospects and your evaluations, the more uncertain I become. Seems like most of them will be great fits. I wonder, though, how would you stack a draft board with the players that are likely to be available when we pick?

1. Brian Branch: Average Combine may drop him to 24.

2. Antonio Johnson: Ideal nickel who also can cover tight ends.

3. Calijah Kancey: Almost made him number 1 due to need for interior pass rush. 

4. Isaiah Foskey

5. O'Cyrus Torrence: Poor Combine gives me pause on him. Would be upgrade due to run-blocking skills, however I'd try to sign one of free agents instead. Powers, Seumalu and McGovern would
                              fit well.

It's interesting you pointed this out with Torrence. PFN has him dropping down to the 2nd round now with the Bears getting him just three picks ahead of us where we also end up drafting an offensive tackle. 

I don't mind the 40 time considering his position and size overall. Not sure where his 23 reps on the bench stack with other prospects over the years. NextGen still gives him the benefit of the doubt though. If you put stock into that I guess.

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Who is this Dalton Kincaid kid out of Utah?  You guys keep talking about Washington as the pick but Kincaid would be a steal in the 3rd round (if he last that long).

Dalton Kincaid had a better showing at the combine...and is a better receiver.  I guess we'd want to spend a high pick on Washington because he's a great run blocker?


Also...

Andrew Voorhees out of USC...tore his ACL...but would be behind Ben Barch and Shatley this year anyway.    I'd take a chance on him if he's on the board in the 4th/5th round.   Good talent for the future.

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It was always the Jags!!!!

1. Brian Branch: Average Combine may drop him to 24.

2. Antonio Johnson: Ideal nickel who also can cover tight ends.

3. Calijah Kancey: Almost made him number 1 due to need for interior pass rush. 

4. Isaiah Foskey

5. O'Cyrus Torrence: Poor Combine gives me pause on him. Would be upgrade due to run-blocking skills, however I'd try to sign one of free agents instead. Powers, Seumalu and McGovern would
                              fit well.

It's interesting you pointed this out with Torrence. PFN has him dropping down to the 2nd round now with the Bears getting him just three picks ahead of us where we also end up drafting an offensive tackle. 

I don't mind the 40 time considering his position and size overall. Not sure where his 23 reps on the bench stack with other prospects over the years. NextGen still gives him the benefit of the doubt though. If you put stock into that I guess.

Yeah, Torrence combine doesn't change my opinion on him.  He's a 330+ G so he's not going to be that athletic.  His combine actually wasn't that bad, it was average.

https://ras.football/ras-information/?Pl...vl=Combine

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Here is Orlando Browns for comparison and I didnt let scare me off. He's just a big tackle that I knew wasn't very athletic

https://ras.football/2020/01/13/orlando-brown-ras/?amp

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