The Jaguars are bringing back Tre Herndon.

The one bad move so far.  We could of upgraded the position for less money

He is depth and they paid him almost nothing.

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The one bad move so far.  We could of upgraded the position for less money

He is depth and they paid him almost nothing.

Tre Herndons deep balls allowed in 4th quarters that we had the lead in may have spcifically cost us like 3 wins this past season, only way i'm good with him as depth is if theres a backup infront of him and he's a last resort.

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The one bad move so far.  We could of upgraded the position for less money

He is depth and they paid him almost nothing.

2.6 mil is far from nothing

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He is depth and they paid him almost nothing.

Tre Herndons deep balls allowed in 4th quarters that we had the lead in may have spcifically cost us like 3 wins this past season, only way i'm good with him as depth is if theres a backup infront of him and he's a last resort.

This., I'd be fine if he's the 5th corner but 2.6 mil would likely be the highest paid 5th corner in the league

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He is depth and they paid him almost nothing.

Tre Herndons deep balls allowed in 4th quarters that we had the lead in may have spcifically cost us like 3 wins this past season, only way i'm good with him as depth is if theres a backup infront of him and he's a last resort.

Herndon is decent depth at nickel and it took the new staff a minute to figure that out - but they did in the end. 
Blame the coaches for not kicking Williams outside as soon as Griffin imploded, not the backup nickel they unwisely played outside. 

The funny part of your post is that Herndon played 9 games. 
SEVEN WINS - TWO LOSSES  - but you're blaming him for three?
OK

He had four bad games statistically out of the nine and only two of them were losses. 
 One was a blowout win for the Jags. None of them have the look of something you could pin on Herndon but the giants game, and it sure seems the defense's inability to stop Barkley and Daniel Jones on the ground played a larger role in the loss than Herndon did. 

 If you want to pin that on the 5th DB on the roster, go for it. If Griffin hadn't sucked so bad and the staff hadn't played Williams out of position, Herndon would never have been in that spot, but go ahead. 

In my mind, I just hope we bring in enough cheap competition in July that Herndon gets beat out for a spot on the 53.

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Tre Herndons deep balls allowed in 4th quarters that we had the lead in may have spcifically cost us like 3 wins this past season, only way i'm good with him as depth is if theres a backup infront of him and he's a last resort.

Herndon is decent depth at nickel and it took the new staff a minute to figure that out - but they did in the end. 
Blame the coaches for not kicking Williams outside as soon as Griffin imploded, not the backup nickel they unwisely played outside. 

The funny part of your post is that Herndon played 9 games. 
SEVEN WINS - TWO LOSSES  - but you're blaming him for three?
OK

He had four bad games statistically out of the nine and only two of them were losses. 
 One was a blowout win for the Jags. None of them have the look of something you could pin on Herndon but the giants game, and it sure seems the defense's inability to stop Barkley and Daniel Jones on the ground played a larger role in the loss than Herndon did. 

 If you want to pin that on the 5th DB on the roster, go for it. If Griffin hadn't sucked so bad and the staff hadn't played Williams out of position, Herndon would never have been in that spot, but go ahead. 

In my mind, I just hope we bring in enough cheap competition in July that Herndon gets beat out for a spot on the 53.

He got guaranteed the 2.6 mil.  I think that means a lock for a 53.  I'd be shocked to see him get that contract amd not be put on the 53

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Herndon is decent depth at nickel and it took the new staff a minute to figure that out - but they did in the end. 
Blame the coaches for not kicking Williams outside as soon as Griffin imploded, not the backup nickel they unwisely played outside. 

The funny part of your post is that Herndon played 9 games. 
SEVEN WINS - TWO LOSSES  - but you're blaming him for three?
OK

He had four bad games statistically out of the nine and only two of them were losses. 
 One was a blowout win for the Jags. None of them have the look of something you could pin on Herndon but the giants game, and it sure seems the defense's inability to stop Barkley and Daniel Jones on the ground played a larger role in the loss than Herndon did. 

 If you want to pin that on the 5th DB on the roster, go for it. If Griffin hadn't sucked so bad and the staff hadn't played Williams out of position, Herndon would never have been in that spot, but go ahead. 

In my mind, I just hope we bring in enough cheap competition in July that Herndon gets beat out for a spot on the 53.

He got guaranteed the 2.6 mil.  I think that means a lock for a 53.  I'd be shocked to see him get that contract amd not be put on the 53

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2.6 million is nothing in this game, but OK.
I still hope we end up with better depth despite it being a "fine" signing for a backup.

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He got guaranteed the 2.6 mil.  I think that means a lock for a 53.  I'd be shocked to see him get that contract amd not be put on the 53

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2.6 million is nothing in this game, but OK.
I still hope we end up with better depth despite it being a "fine" signing for a backup.

Herndon is just fine.

This signing doesn’t prohibit the Jags from upgrading the CB position at all. Can’t be mad at this signing.

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Tre Herndons deep balls allowed in 4th quarters that we had the lead in may have spcifically cost us like 3 wins this past season, only way i'm good with him as depth is if theres a backup infront of him and he's a last resort.

Herndon is decent depth at nickel and it took the new staff a minute to figure that out - but they did in the end. 
Blame the coaches for not kicking Williams outside as soon as Griffin imploded, not the backup nickel they unwisely played outside. 

The funny part of your post is that Herndon played 9 games. 
SEVEN WINS - TWO LOSSES  - but you're blaming him for three?
OK

He had four bad games statistically out of the nine and only two of them were losses. 
 One was a blowout win for the Jags. None of them have the look of something you could pin on Herndon but the giants game, and it sure seems the defense's inability to stop Barkley and Daniel Jones on the ground played a larger role in the loss than Herndon did. 

 If you want to pin that on the 5th DB on the roster, go for it. If Griffin hadn't sucked so bad and the staff hadn't played Williams out of position, Herndon would never have been in that spot, but go ahead. 

In my mind, I just hope we bring in enough cheap competition in July that Herndon gets beat out for a spot on the 53.

Excuse me lord stat keeper, sometimes I do get Herndon and Griffin mixed up, but both of them were responsible for some attrocious late game scores by the opposing team. Whether it was 2 or 3, I don't know and i'm not gonna bother myself to look through it now. But during the season all we heard was "DERRR IF OUR DEFENSE DIDNT BLOW A LAST MIN TD WE WOULDA WON!!" from you and others.. and most of the time it was off a long pass on the sideline against either Griffin or Herndon. 

Point is, theres a reason our D was dramatically improved when the front office finally did what most of us wanted them to do from the start and moved that bum inside and allowed Williams to play outside. Theres A LOT of fans who think Williams is a top tier outside CB on this forum and it's laughable, he's really NOT.. he's just so much better than the two bums he proceeded to replace that it felt that way.

Regardless, Herndon is a terrible player.. the kind of guy who comes in off the bench and the opposing offense knows where to go with the ball. Is he OK as a backup? Sure whatever but he's not someone I'd actively try to keep on the roster.

Also what do you mean 5th DB on the roster? When Griffin went down HE PLAYED AS THE #2 TO CAMPBELL. And he actively LOST games for us.

Shaq Griffin, somehow was just as bad or worse then Herndon giving up deep outside passes late in the 4th but regardless both of them were absolute trash when it was crunch time and not much better any other time.

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Why are we talking to Ezekiel Elliott? Or at least Oluokun is wanting us to..

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So we’re really putting it on the backs of our 2023 draft class to put us over the top eh? What the heck are we doing to improve our pass rush or protect Tlaw?

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Herndon is decent depth at nickel and it took the new staff a minute to figure that out - but they did in the end. 
Blame the coaches for not kicking Williams outside as soon as Griffin imploded, not the backup nickel they unwisely played outside. 

The funny part of your post is that Herndon played 9 games. 
SEVEN WINS - TWO LOSSES  - but you're blaming him for three?
OK

He had four bad games statistically out of the nine and only two of them were losses. 
 One was a blowout win for the Jags. None of them have the look of something you could pin on Herndon but the giants game, and it sure seems the defense's inability to stop Barkley and Daniel Jones on the ground played a larger role in the loss than Herndon did. 

 If you want to pin that on the 5th DB on the roster, go for it. If Griffin hadn't sucked so bad and the staff hadn't played Williams out of position, Herndon would never have been in that spot, but go ahead. 

In my mind, I just hope we bring in enough cheap competition in July that Herndon gets beat out for a spot on the 53.

Excuse me lord stat keeper, sometimes I do get Herndon and Griffin mixed up, but both of them were responsible for some attrocious late game scores by the opposing team. Whether it was 2 or 3, I don't know and i'm not gonna bother myself to look through it now. But during the season all we heard was "DERRR IF OUR DEFENSE DIDNT BLOW A LAST MIN TD WE WOULDA WON!!" from you and others.. and most of the time it was off a long pass on the sideline against either Griffin or Herndon. 

Point is, theres a reason our D was dramatically improved when the front office finally did what most of us wanted them to do from the start and moved that bum inside and allowed Williams to play outside. Theres A LOT of fans who think Williams is a top tier outside CB on this forum and it's laughable, he's really NOT.. he's just so much better than the two bums he proceeded to replace that it felt that way.

Regardless, Herndon is a terrible player.. the kind of guy who comes in off the bench and the opposing offense knows where to go with the ball. Is he OK as a backup? Sure whatever but he's not someone I'd actively try to keep on the roster.

Also what do you mean 5th DB on the roster? When Griffin went down HE PLAYED AS THE #2 TO CAMPBELL. And he actively LOST games for us.

Shaq Griffin, somehow was just as bad or worse then Herndon giving up deep outside passes late in the 4th but regardless both of them were absolute trash when it was crunch time and not much better any other time.

LOL
That's a lot of words making very little sense. 

1. You're right - he was the 4th CB - not the 5th.  Changes none of my points. 
   
2. Why do you keep saying he lost games? Which games??  tell us? LOL
   
3. Your memories of those deep passes is sketchy at best - and me complaining about Herndon giving up passes down the sideline is strange at best. I can only recall seeing it twice that it got under my skin and I don't recall posting about it. I posted more about his struggle in the slot, even though he was actually better there. 
   
4. Griffin, sure, I've been talking about his poor play since middle of 2021. But that is not what we are talking about. In fact Griffin's failure is the main reason we even have to talk about Herndon. 
   
5. You're being an idiot about Williams too, but we'll just let that play itself out on the field. He played very well outside when they finally moved him. Haven't seen anyone but you use the term "top tier," but whatever. Makes as much sense as the rest of this word salad you're vomiting tonight. 
   

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Not sure why everybody is sweating Herndon. It's a low investment and safety measure being taken for now. Still time to add + the draft. You cannot underrate the value of a returning player. Already knows the system, knows his teammates, etc.

Everybody keeps harping on the secondary while failing to call out the blatant lack of push up front to effect the pocket in most contests we had last year. Also, as already cited. Bad personnel decisions were made.

It's a dead horse at this point, but, for the record:

Williams should have been outside, not in the slot. He proved this already in L.A.

Walker should have been inside. Not outside on the defensive line.

Lloyd should have been outside. Not inside. As his tape at Utah proved this.

Again, these things should be corrected between the draft and this summer with a 2nd year DC retooling himself and learning from his mistakes.

Nickel CB is there in RD3. Sydney Brown, Riley Moss or Garrett Williams. Take your pick. First two rounds are going to the lineman though. Need a tackle. Need an interior pass rusher. Us meeting with Mazi twice now is a big tell already.

We're cap strapped. Even if we pull new extensions out of our [BLEEP] for Josh Allen and Evan Engram. This team lives or dies by two things in 2023:

1. Improved line play on both sides. Biggest question mark being on Walker's back defensively and Robinson's health offensively with Little facing his biggest test yet.

2. Adjustments by Lawrence and Pederson. That cute, quick [BLEEP] will have 17 games of film for review. Won't be easy to pull off in 2023 as much.

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Not sure why everybody is sweating Herndon. It's a low investment and safety measure being taken for now. Still time to add + the draft. You cannot underrate the value of a returning player. Already knows the system, knows his teammates, etc.

Everybody keeps harping on the secondary while failing to call out the blatant lack of push up front to effect the pocket in most contests we had last year. Also, as already cited. Bad personnel decisions were made.

It's a dead horse at this point, but, for the record:

Williams should have been outside, not in the slot. He proved this already in L.A.

Walker should have been inside. Not outside on the defensive line.

Lloyd should have been outside. Not inside. As his tape at Utah proved this.

Again, these things should be corrected between the draft and this summer with a 2nd year DC retooling himself and learning from his mistakes.

Nickel CB is there in RD3. Sydney Brown, Riley Moss or Garrett Williams. Take your pick. First two rounds are going to the lineman though. Need a tackle. Need an interior pass rusher. Us meeting with Mazi twice now is a big tell already.

We're cap strapped. Even if we pull new extensions out of our [BLEEP] for Josh Allen and Evan Engram. This team lives or dies by two things in 2023:

1. Improved line play on both sides. Biggest question mark being on Walker's back defensively and Robinson's health offensively with Little facing his biggest test yet.

2. Adjustments by Lawrence and Pederson. That cute, quick [BLEEP] will have 17 games of film for review. Won't be easy to pull off in 2023 as much.

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The only people sweating Herndon are those who thought the Jags would make a splash like sign Hargrave or Fletcher Cox or a big time FA.

This point in FA is always where the Jags were going to make their move. Some veteran OLine help, veteran pass rusher (Floyd), and a nickel corner (Herndon wasn’t signed to be the starting nickel).

Still plenty of talent out there and hopefully the Jags fill a couple more holes.

Also. No one needs to worry about Pederson and Trevor. The league can have all the tape they want but Pederson always adjusts. Year 2 for Wentz with Pederson was incredible. Now imagine year 2 for Trevor in his system. They’re going to be more than fine. As of now though, this DLine may have a tough time getting to the QB.

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Not sure why everybody is sweating Herndon. It's a low investment and safety measure being taken for now. Still time to add + the draft. You cannot underrate the value of a returning player. Already knows the system, knows his teammates, etc.

Everybody keeps harping on the secondary while failing to call out the blatant lack of push up front to effect the pocket in most contests we had last year. Also, as already cited. Bad personnel decisions were made.

It's a dead horse at this point, but, for the record:

Williams should have been outside, not in the slot. He proved this already in L.A.

Walker should have been inside. Not outside on the defensive line.

Lloyd should have been outside. Not inside. As his tape at Utah proved this.

Again, these things should be corrected between the draft and this summer with a 2nd year DC retooling himself and learning from his mistakes.

Nickel CB is there in RD3. Sydney Brown, Riley Moss or Garrett Williams. Take your pick. First two rounds are going to the lineman though. Need a tackle. Need an interior pass rusher. Us meeting with Mazi twice now is a big tell already.

We're cap strapped. Even if we pull new extensions out of our [BLEEP] for Josh Allen and Evan Engram. This team lives or dies by two things in 2023:

1. Improved line play on both sides. Biggest question mark being on Walker's back defensively and Robinson's health offensively with Little facing his biggest test yet.

2. Adjustments by Lawrence and Pederson. That cute, quick [BLEEP] will have 17 games of film for review. Won't be easy to pull off in 2023 as much.

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The only people sweating Herndon are those who thought the Jags would make a splash like sign Hargrave or Fletcher Cox or a big time FA.

This point in FA is always where the Jags were going to make their move. Some veteran OLine help, veteran pass rusher (Floyd), and a nickel corner (Herndon wasn’t signed to be the starting nickel).

Still plenty of talent out there and hopefully the Jags fill a couple more holes.

Also. No one needs to worry about Pederson and Trevor. The league can have all the tape they want but Pederson always adjusts. Year 2 for Wentz with Pederson was incredible. Now imagine year 2 for Trevor in his system. They’re going to be more than fine. As of now though, this DLine may have a tough time getting to the QB.

What do you think signing Cox would of been ya silly rabbit?  Lol.   Floyd is 2 years younger than Cox and would likely cost just as much yet you think we will sgn him?  Cox got a 1 yr. 10 mil deal while Hargrave got a 4 yr 80 mil deal.  Those 2 are totally different and not even close.  Floyd would be a splash signing so I'm guessing you are sweating that Herndon deal.

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Welcome back Tre. With that being said, I wouldn’t mind if Montaric or Gregory Jr beat him out.

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Respect the game.  Play with a sense of urgency. 


1.)  Take care of the ball.  Win the turnover battle.

2.)  It's all about 3rd down.  Win on 3rd down to win the game.

3.) Playmakers make plays.  The only reason that you put your uniform on is to make plays. In order to EARN your paycheck, you must make plays.  

Learn from the great collapse of 2023.  

Welcome back Tre.  With that being said, I wouldn’t mind if Montaric or Gregory Jr beat him out.

Agreed, as of right now he's our starting nickel.  We need an upgrade there, the nickel corner is one of the weak links on this defense.

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Welcome back Tre.  With that being said, I wouldn’t mind if Montaric or Gregory Jr beat him out.

On Gregory Jr.  I think he would be more suited as a slot Nickel corner with Brown as an outside corner.  I didn't watch every play of Jr. but towards the end of the season he started getting some playing time and pff has him rated pretty decent.  Hopefully he can step his game up

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/gregory-junior/156090

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Herndon plays super hard, and he can tackle. On the negative, look at the giants game. He’s a good 4th or 5th cb that you can depend on if needed in an emergency.

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Plays hard and good motor

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