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2023 Offseason Roster Moves
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(03-18-2023, 06:46 PM)Jag149 Wrote:(03-18-2023, 06:08 PM)Protozoa Wrote: And Ridley, the players being in year 2 of the system. My understanding is that MJJ is moving to San Diego, and wants to sign with a team closer to home. Peters I believe had retired, and Henderson is unlikely to be resigned based on his performance last year. That leaves only Arnold and Smoot. I would like to see both back, be neither seems to be vital to success. Considering Smoot’s injury, I wonder if there is a way to bring him back to rehab his injury without hurting the salary cap. Arnold could be a casualty, especially if we draft a TE. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
Re-signing Tre Herndon may have something to do with the news today that Essang Bassey is re-signing with the Broncos. We were rumored to be in the running to sign Bassey. Jags might have found out Bassey is off the table, so they re-signed Herndon. Both Bassey and Herndon are backup-quality CBs.
03-19-2023, 04:15 PM
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(03-18-2023, 11:12 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:(03-18-2023, 10:59 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: 10:05. THE FACT THAT I LOOKED UP THE VIDEO OF TRES FIRST START OUTSIDE THIS PAST SEASON AFTER SHAQ WENT DOWN AND FOUND HIS FIRST GAME LOSING CHUNK PLAY GIVEN UP JUST MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE THE DUMB [BLEEP] YOU ARE. Like I said, not gonna go through the entire seasons footage just to prove myself, but just for an example of what I mean, his very first start after Griffin went down he proceeded to give up the big easy play to allow the opposing team to come back and take the lead. Well it's funny you should mention this sir, because you are right, I wasn't suggesting he play outside because of my "Doubts" of his ability to play in the slot. My suggestion was to move him outside because Griffin was playing like crap weeks 1-2 and Williams was actually a GOOD outside corner last season with the Rams. I did not hop on the train of saying his sucked in the slot, that wasn't me you're right. What I said was in week 1-2 and had nothing to do with his slot coverage ability, but the lack of ability shown by Griffin at that point in the season. Here is something from November.. involving you (11-02-2022, 12:46 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:(11-02-2022, 12:40 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: So you are blaming the offensive coordinator of the opposing team. (11-02-2022, 12:53 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Looking back at the play Herndon got torched on the sideline at the end of the Broncos game, It would appear that either Cisco was either in the wrong spot, or we intended to have Tre outside 1 on 1. Either way, he isn't a good enough DB to trust like that I think most of us would agree. (11-02-2022, 12:58 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:(11-02-2022, 12:46 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: I'd be more inclined to have Darius Williams in that spot personally, or at the very least have some safety help. ? (03-17-2023, 09:20 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:(03-17-2023, 08:50 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Tre Herndons deep balls allowed in 4th quarters that we had the lead in may have spcifically cost us like 3 wins this past season, only way i'm good with him as depth is if theres a backup infront of him and he's a last resort. (03-17-2023, 10:20 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:(03-17-2023, 09:20 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Herndon is decent depth at nickel and it took the new staff a minute to figure that out - but they did in the end. (03-19-2023, 04:15 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:(03-18-2023, 11:12 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: LOL What are you on about now? You found posts where I talked about Herndon getting beat? Great. That was never in question or debate. Everyone and their brother knows this happened many times. (You said that "All you heard" from me were posts blaming Herndon or Griffin for blowing the game early on in the year - still haven't found that have you?) You found posts where you talked about wanting Herndon in the slot and Williams outside? Great. That was never in question or debate. Many posters wanted that from the get go (WAY SOONER THAN THAT November post of yours), and I eventually wanted it too after seeing DW struggle enough inside combined with Herndon struggling outside. This was never in question either. Here's what was in question? What three games did he personally cost us? You said he lost us three games. You still haven't answered the question? That was what STARTED ALL OF THIS. Name the three games. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
03-20-2023, 03:44 AM
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(03-19-2023, 05:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:(03-17-2023, 09:20 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Herndon is decent depth at nickel and it took the new staff a minute to figure that out - but they did in the end. Not gonna go thru every game of the season just to prove a point, the Broncos game is a great example and was his first start outside last year.. im sure you can find a couple more, and you absolutely were complaining about the defense because even when Trevor struggled early on all we heard from you and the others were that “well he got us a 4th qtr lead but the d blew it” and 9 times outta 10 it was shaq or tre blowing a deep ball at a critical time . Regardless of last season, i think its pretty dumb to give guranteed money to a guy who probably should be cut during camp because i cant see a world where we dont draft at least one or two nickel backs in the draft. Same with wingard honestly but at least wingard is at an extremely thin position for us.. herndon will be below everyone on the depth chart come september
(03-20-2023, 03:44 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:(03-19-2023, 05:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: What are you on about now? I agree. Wingard is just another linebacker out there. He’s a coverage liability. Herndon should’ve been cut with Griffin. I’m annoyed that Cam Robinson was resigned and is taking Little’s spot. When Little is able to hit free agency, he’s probably gone because Trent has misused and abused him, playing him out of position and playing a less talented player in front of him.
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(03-20-2023, 03:44 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:(03-19-2023, 05:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: What are you on about now? Well if you're so convinced he cost us 3 games, you shouldn't have to go through every game to point them out. I would think they would be fresh in your mind. Washington and Indy were both Shaq btw
IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS
Being back to this approach is making me feel kinda nervous and PTSD again:
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(03-20-2023, 09:58 AM)jaglyn Wrote: Being back to this approach is making me feel kinda nervous and PTSD again: What holes are we really expecting a rookie to fill this year? Maybe LG and Nickel CB?
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(03-20-2023, 10:06 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote:(03-20-2023, 09:58 AM)jaglyn Wrote: Being back to this approach is making me feel kinda nervous and PTSD again: Exactly. Probably only NB imo. I think Bartch is gonna be given a shot to start again. (03-20-2023, 08:44 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote:(03-20-2023, 03:44 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Not gonna go thru every game of the season just to prove a point, the Broncos game is a great example and was his first start outside last year.. im sure you can find a couple more, and you absolutely were complaining about the defense because even when Trevor struggled early on all we heard from you and the others were that “well he got us a 4th qtr lead but the d blew it” and 9 times outta 10 it was shaq or tre blowing a deep ball at a critical time . You are wasting your time trying to get this guy to tell you the 3 games. He can't tell you because first it didn't happen and second because like many of his posts he just made it up.
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(03-20-2023, 10:30 AM)Kane Wrote:(03-20-2023, 10:06 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: What holes are we really expecting a rookie to fill this year? Maybe LG and Nickel CB? You can't recreate or go all in on slightly advancing a past season. Each season presents new challenges and processes. The reality of the NFL is some players are going to leave no matter what. I wish we could carbon copy last years team and play the 2023 season. Not happening. We are going to take some steps back in certain positions but be surprised by the development or play of some new guys that we didn't pay attention to in the past. We have a good to great QB with potential and I hope we capitalize and keep going forward. Have to watch and wait. Waiting is the hardest part
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(03-20-2023, 10:30 AM)Kane Wrote:(03-20-2023, 10:06 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: What holes are we really expecting a rookie to fill this year? Maybe LG and Nickel CB? Agreed. I think they liked the progress he was making before his injury. I'd also put money that most teams start 1-2 rookies minimum every year. This is the spot we want to be in this offseason.
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(03-20-2023, 08:44 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote:(03-20-2023, 03:44 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Not gonna go thru every game of the season just to prove a point, the Broncos game is a great example and was his first start outside last year.. im sure you can find a couple more, and you absolutely were complaining about the defense because even when Trevor struggled early on all we heard from you and the others were that “well he got us a 4th qtr lead but the d blew it” and 9 times outta 10 it was shaq or tre blowing a deep ball at a critical time . And I thought we lost the Denver game because Trevor threw a bad Int in the endzone to pretty much seal things? He's even said he was responsible for that one and used it as fuel to turn the corner in his career. And what a turn, huh? So it looks like you still have 3 to go, CBJ. Herndon is such a 'meh' signing, and teams cut guys after guaranteeing them much more than we're giving him all the time. If he's clearly beaten out and there isn't room on the roster for him at the end of camp, nobody in that front office will lose sleep if they release him. At the very least, there's no reason to get bent out of shape over it at this point in time. (03-20-2023, 10:51 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote:(03-20-2023, 10:30 AM)Kane Wrote: Exactly. Probably only NB imo. I think Bartch is gonna be given a shot to start again. Exactly ! I have read all sorts of suggested players we should sign that are out on the market. Unfortunately, I am expecting that we will not see any significant signings (starters) Why would I say that? (besides our cap position) Well I would suggest re listening to this. https://www.jacksonville.com/story/sport...952146007/ The bottom line is we have established a culture and any free agent would first have to pass this filter before even being considered. There just are not very many players teams let go that will pass this filter and be a significant upgrade that we can afford. One day when we grow up I look forward to articles being written like this about our draft classes. https://www.jacksonville.com/story/sport...952146007/
A new broom always sweeps clean.
Only move left that I can think of that I would like to see made is a veteran presence added to the DE room. There's a lot of good options out there. We probably won't be able to compete pricing wise but we can compete in regards to having a good enough team to remain competent and play off bound in 2023 and beyond.
Would like to see a guy like Justin Houston added maybe or Calais Campbell. Just to give us some breathing room. Again, we're just going to really have to hope that the 2nd and 3rd year guys step up. If Lawrence adds another 10+ TD's to his bottom line stats in 2023 though? We'll be fine. Which I think he's on pace to do with Ridley in the mix. Draft wise though our needs are clearly: Interior Rusher, OG, Nickel-CB, TE. They have to feel confident in landing two starters there next month and this is a deep TE class to where you can find great depth to add behind Engram and a player that can challenge Farrell. "What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king." We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (03-20-2023, 03:44 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:(03-19-2023, 05:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: What are you on about now? If your point is that he cost us 3 games, you don't need to go through every game to do that. Hell, you literally only need to look at 3 total games and you've already looked at one of them. Herndon played more than 50% of the snaps in 8 games, and roughly 33% in 2 others. We lost 3 of those 10 games, 2 of them (DEN and NYG) where he played 2/3 of the snaps and one (KC) where he play 1/3 of the snaps. All you need to do is show how he gave up a huge play in the NYG and KC games to prove your point.
Most good teams do not make big splashes in free agency due to their money is tied up in their own players. This is a good sign we are establishing culture here. Losing teams like the Jags have been hand big new free agents every year. You can't build a culture with new big names coming to the roster yearly.
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