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2023 Offseason Roster Moves


(03-22-2023, 07:39 AM)Caldrac Wrote:
(03-22-2023, 06:23 AM)wg171 Wrote: After the season ended last year their seemed to be pretty much a consensus on the board on team needs…

- LG
- Possibly RT if Taylor left which he has done
- TE
- Edge
- Interior pass rush
- Slot corner

Realistically the team could come away from the draft filling two of these areas for this upcoming season. I am aware that every team has some areas of weakness and the Jags will be no different. It is, of course, still possible the team will add an affordable free agent at some point.

Which of the above “positions of need” do you not address?
RT would be my least concern as the expectations are that our 9.75% cap hit in 2023 in Robinson and a 3rd year, former 2nd RD selection in Little are more than capable of playing either role.

I would say the goal should be landing a quality LG at some point in the draft that has swing tackle ability. Cody Mauch being the most ideal prospect here. In agreement with Jaglou as well. If you need to package up a 4th RD pick or two to secure him in RD2. Do it.

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Darnell Wright in round 1 is my top choice at the moment.
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(03-22-2023, 02:54 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:
(03-21-2023, 01:30 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Because people like to overreact and then defend their unnecessary overreactions, rather than admit it was no big deal in the first place. 

But, you're right. As has been said many times, 2.58 mil for a backup DB is nothing. Peanuts. 
His vet minimum is 1.5 million. Are we really tripping about that additional 1 mil? Our secondary is cheap right now compared to other position groups. Herndon will be gone before we are paying up to keep Campbell and probably Cisco. 

In fact - Imma stop even giving the topic credence moving forward. 



In the spirit of moving on, here is a little recap of what the Jags have done with their own FA class and cap from the Daytona paper:

I agree, it's not much for a backup DB, absolutely. But why gurantee that money to a guy who could very easily be cut come training camp once we inevitibly draft 1 or 2 dbs? Let's keep in mind our total cap space at the moment is like 5M, this isn't 2017 where we have money to blow...

They aren't blowing money.
It is chump change in the grand scheme of things. 
When the dust settles from free agency and the draft there will be 70+ DBs making more annual money than Tre Herndon. 
You have manufactured a problem in your mind that does not exist in reality. 
He is getting paid like a vet backup because he is a vet backup. 
It's fair and normal.
End of story.

(03-22-2023, 06:23 AM)wg171 Wrote: After the season ended last year their seemed to be pretty much a consensus on the board on team needs…

- LG
- Possibly RT if Taylor left which he has done
- TE
- Edge
- Interior pass rush
- Slot corner

Realistically the team could come away from the draft filling two of these areas for this upcoming season. I am aware that every team has some areas of weakness and the Jags will be no different. It is, of course, still possible the team will add an affordable free agent at some point.

Which of the above “positions of need” do you not address?

They will have to address two of these via mid-tier - or lower tier free agency and the others in the draft.

They may have to make a choice between edge and IDL pass rush - or target a versatile player who rotates at both.

Similar with LG and swing/back-up Off. tackle. One player may offer versatility at OG/OT, otherwise one of the two gets a band aid at best. 

No matter what - it is likely that at least two of these spots receive either a lower tier pick or free agent to get us through.
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(03-22-2023, 06:23 AM)wg171 Wrote: After the season ended last year their seemed to be pretty much a consensus on the board on team needs…

- LG
- Possibly RT if Taylor left which he has done
- TE
- Edge
- Interior pass rush
- Slot corner

Realistically the team could come away from the draft filling two of these areas for this upcoming season. I am aware that every team has some areas of weakness and the Jags will be no different. It is, of course, still possible the team will add an affordable free agent at some point.

Which of the above “positions of need” do you not address?

Tight end is the least important since they have Engram. I do expect them to draft someone at this position or find an inexpensive blocking tight end to replace Manhertz. That being said, if Dalton Kincaid is available in Round 2, I'd run to the podium immediately when our name is called. 

The easier question would have been to identify the most important need. Nickel/slot corner is the clear winner, but finding a good swing tackle is number 2. I still occasionally have nightmares of defensive ends feasting on the likes of Guy Whimper and Ephrem Salaam. We can't afford to lose our franchise quarterback due to ignoring the need at this position.
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/...56928?s=20

Hey! We got one!
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Excited about that RB signing. He had a few nice games a year or two ago for the Browns.

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(03-22-2023, 02:24 PM)Caldrac Wrote: Excited about that RB signing. He had a few nice games a year or two ago for the Browns.

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Receiving back with ST potential who could also be useful on zbs runs to the sideline. 

Likes to finish runs with a strong final effort. Not a bad guy to have in camp. 

At 208 - he's definitely not that short yardage guy fans keep anticipating that we'll sign or draft.
The more I watch Pederson's play calling, I wonder if he'll even bother with that type of back moving forward. 
I think he prefers a combo of speed and subterfuge. 

Misdirection and quickness seem his short yardage calling card more so than power run formations and a brutish back.
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We signed a new DL too.
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(03-22-2023, 02:33 PM)Dimson Wrote: We signed a new DL too.

https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/stat...14058?s=20
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I like it. Adding depth, camp bodies. Gives you more flexibility to move around in the draft.

Hell. MAYBE they are really going to move up for another player on the opening night.

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(03-22-2023, 02:44 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(03-22-2023, 02:33 PM)Dimson Wrote: We signed a new DL too.

https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/stat...14058?s=20

Isn't our current DL coach from the Cards?
A new broom always sweeps clean.
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(03-22-2023, 11:18 AM)jaglou53 Wrote:
(03-22-2023, 06:23 AM)wg171 Wrote: After the season ended last year their seemed to be pretty much a consensus on the board on team needs…

- LG
- Possibly RT if Taylor left which he has done
- TE
- Edge
- Interior pass rush
- Slot corner

Realistically the team could come away from the draft filling two of these areas for this upcoming season. I am aware that every team has some areas of weakness and the Jags will be no different. It is, of course, still possible the team will add an affordable free agent at some point.

Which of the above “positions of need” do you not address?

Tight end is the least important since they have Engram. I do expect them to draft someone at this position or find an inexpensive blocking tight end to replace Manhertz. That being said, if Dalton Kincaid is available in Round 2, I'd run to the podium immediately when our name is called. 

The easier question would have been to identify the most important need. Nickel/slot corner is the clear winner, but finding a good swing tackle is number 2. I still occasionally have nightmares of defensive ends feasting on the likes of Guy Whimper and Ephrem Salaam. We can't afford to lose our franchise quarterback due to ignoring the need at this position.

Top need is guard.  Major question at starter.  Other positions are backup or part timer.
My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.
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(03-22-2023, 11:18 AM)jaglou53 Wrote:
(03-22-2023, 06:23 AM)wg171 Wrote: After the season ended last year their seemed to be pretty much a consensus on the board on team needs…

- LG
- Possibly RT if Taylor left which he has done
- TE
- Edge
- Interior pass rush
- Slot corner

Realistically the team could come away from the draft filling two of these areas for this upcoming season. I am aware that every team has some areas of weakness and the Jags will be no different. It is, of course, still possible the team will add an affordable free agent at some point.

Which of the above “positions of need” do you not address?

Tight end is the least important since they have Engram. I do expect them to draft someone at this position or find an inexpensive blocking tight end to replace Manhertz. That being said, if Dalton Kincaid is available in Round 2, I'd run to the podium immediately when our name is called. 

The easier question would have been to identify the most important need. Nickel/slot corner is the clear winner, but finding a good swing tackle is number 2. I still occasionally have nightmares of defensive ends feasting on the likes of Guy Whimper and Ephrem Salaam. We can't afford to lose our franchise quarterback due to ignoring the need at this position.

No.  #1 need is left guard or center.  Neither Bartch nor Fortner are really starter quality.  We're going to have to hope one of them improves a lot, but hoping against hope that both do is insane.  This is a bigger need than nickel because nickel is not quite a full time position.
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(03-22-2023, 04:37 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(03-22-2023, 11:18 AM)jaglou53 Wrote: Tight end is the least important since they have Engram. I do expect them to draft someone at this position or find an inexpensive blocking tight end to replace Manhertz. That being said, if Dalton Kincaid is available in Round 2, I'd run to the podium immediately when our name is called. 

The easier question would have been to identify the most important need. Nickel/slot corner is the clear winner, but finding a good swing tackle is number 2. I still occasionally have nightmares of defensive ends feasting on the likes of Guy Whimper and Ephrem Salaam. We can't afford to lose our franchise quarterback due to ignoring the need at this position.

No.  #1 need is left guard or center.  Neither Bartch nor Fortner are really starter quality.  We're going to have to hope one of them improves a lot, but hoping against hope that both do is insane.  This is a bigger need than nickel because nickel is not quite a full time position.

any guard you draft will need to improve greatly.
Bartch and Fortner are both progressing as expected and I expect will continue to improve. Shatley is good enough as a backup behind them

agree on the nickel/cb, theres enough talent to be fine.

Tackle position is where they need to be aggressive. Not much behind Cam and Little, plus you combine that with Cam's injury and also the possibility of being let go next year, and you have a poor position group
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(03-22-2023, 04:37 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(03-22-2023, 11:18 AM)jaglou53 Wrote: Tight end is the least important since they have Engram. I do expect them to draft someone at this position or find an inexpensive blocking tight end to replace Manhertz. That being said, if Dalton Kincaid is available in Round 2, I'd run to the podium immediately when our name is called. 

The easier question would have been to identify the most important need. Nickel/slot corner is the clear winner, but finding a good swing tackle is number 2. I still occasionally have nightmares of defensive ends feasting on the likes of Guy Whimper and Ephrem Salaam. We can't afford to lose our franchise quarterback due to ignoring the need at this position.

No.  #1 need is left guard or center.  Neither Bartch nor Fortner are really starter quality.  We're going to have to hope one of them improves a lot, but hoping against hope that both do is insane.  This is a bigger need than nickel because nickel is not quite a full time position.

We need competition at LG and we need a nickel corner. 

Neither are a lesser priority, IMO. 

In 17 games last season there were only three games wherein the nickel played 63% of the snaps or less. 
He is going to see lots of action. 

The IOL situation equally needs attention because you have a second year Center that should progress in year two, but you can't 100% count on it  - and the guy coming off of injury to take over LG has seen 17 starts in 3 years and not enough of them have been inspiring performances. 

If it's me - I'm looking to spend a pick on each of these spots BEFORE  the 4th round, but definitely no later than the 4th.
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I also like the D'Ernest Johnson signing. He has been buried behind Chubb and Hunt, but has done well when given the opportunity to play. The two defensive linemen are inexpensive depth, but neither is a pass-rushing threat. Hopefully the Jags will draft an Edge to help improve their dismal pass-rushing performance from last season.
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Johnson is a nice addition to the Rb until.
Respect the game.  Play with a sense of urgency. 


1.)  Take care of the ball.  Win the turnover battle.

2.)  It's all about 3rd down.  Win on 3rd down to win the game.

3.) Playmakers make plays.  The only reason that you put your uniform on is to make plays. In order to EARN your paycheck, you must make plays.  

Learn from the great collapse of 2023.  

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(03-22-2023, 05:01 PM)jagshype Wrote:
(03-22-2023, 04:37 PM)mikesez Wrote: No.  #1 need is left guard or center.  Neither Bartch nor Fortner are really starter quality.  We're going to have to hope one of them improves a lot, but hoping against hope that both do is insane.  This is a bigger need than nickel because nickel is not quite a full time position.

any guard you draft will need to improve greatly.
Bartch and Fortner are both progressing as expected and I expect will continue to improve. Shatley is good enough as a backup behind them

agree on the nickel/cb, theres enough talent to be fine.

Tackle position is where they need to be aggressive. Not much behind Cam and Little, plus you combine that with Cam's injury and also the possibility of being let go next year, and you have a poor position group

Aren't there a few offensive linemen in the draft that have experience/versatility to play snaps across the offensive line?
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(03-22-2023, 08:08 PM)rpr52121 Wrote:
(03-22-2023, 05:01 PM)jagshype Wrote: any guard you draft will need to improve greatly.
Bartch and Fortner are both progressing as expected and I expect will continue to improve. Shatley is good enough as a backup behind them

agree on the nickel/cb, theres enough talent to be fine.

Tackle position is where they need to be aggressive. Not much behind Cam and Little, plus you combine that with Cam's injury and also the possibility of being let go next year, and you have a poor position group

Aren't there a few offensive linemen in the draft that have experience/versatility to play snaps across the offensive line?
Cody Mauch, Andrew Vorhees, Steve Avila, Nick Broeker, Jaxon Kirkland, Blake Freeland and Jarrett Patterson. All would be excellent additions with starting potential as rookies or by 2024 potentially depending on the RD.

Some of those guys could come in as rookies and play the swing tackle role or start at guard/center.

Mauch and Avila being the best bets in RD2 for OT/OG (Mauch) and C/OG (Avila). Broeker and Freeland are RD3 guys with swing tackle ability. Vorhees and Patterson are C/OG options in RD4. Kirkland is a swing tackle option in RD5/RD6.

Another option I like is Joe Tippman out of Wisconsin at Center or Luke Wypler out of Ohio St. at Center. Either one of those guys could probably bounce Luke Fortner over to LG in 2023 as rookies. Which Fortner has experience at from his days at Kentucky. Fortner only had one year of experience at Center coming out of college.

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