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04-01-2023, 07:44 PM
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(04-01-2023, 07:28 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:(04-01-2023, 07:10 PM)mikesez Wrote: The data isn't pertinent to the conversation. The discussion was about if it was legit to bring George Soros into a discussion of this indictment. You said yes, because George Soros is anti-American. I said that would be a good reason, can you give an example. Your example was the allegedly "soft on crime" prosecutors he has supported. You threw in a line about crime increasing on their watch. Two problems with that. 1) Criminology is still an art, not a science. There simply is not any clear data about which policies reduce or increase crime, and many crimes go unreported or poorly reported. The data isn't in evidence, not because I have better data, but because very little good data actually exists. 2) The increase in crime, even if it happens, has nothing to do with anyone being anti American. Throughout the history of this country, we have had more crime than Japan and Germany for sure, probably Russia too. A high crime rate makes our quality of life lower, yes, but we can still impose our will on others when needed.
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04-01-2023, 10:10 PM
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You're doing that thing again, man. Stop being intellectually dishonest, admit crime is up in areas where he funded campaigns for the winning DAs, look at the rate of prosecutions, and see the pattern. All this smoke and mirrors [BLEEP] you do has no relevance to the type of person he is or the people he is putting in office.
Soros made his fortunes shorting other nations' currencies. This isn't like making a good trade on a company... this is literally stealing money from a nation's taxpayers. He's a scumbag. Oh, and you can't say that about him in the media because then you're an anti-Semite, even though this [BLEEP] literally pretended to be a Christian and turned his fellow Jews into the Nazi's when he was a kid. Don't you ever wonder why certain people become so powerful or influential? The basic failing of the people is assuming these psychopaths think like us. Whether or not he has plans to short the US dollar (bet he does), the pattern is obvious. He's not a person to be trusted. He has no honor. If he is backing something, you can almost be assured it's in his best interest. (04-01-2023, 10:10 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: You're doing that thing again, man. Stop being intellectually dishonest, admit crime is up in areas where he funded campaigns for the winning DAs, look at the rate of prosecutions, and see the pattern. All this smoke and mirrors [BLEEP] you do has no relevance to the type of person he is or the people he is putting in office. Crime is up in areas where Soros wasn't involved as well. We have a general post-covid increase in crime and no one really knows why.
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(04-01-2023, 10:10 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: You're doing that thing again, man. Stop being intellectually dishonest, admit crime is up in areas where he funded campaigns for the winning DAs, look at the rate of prosecutions, and see the pattern. All this smoke and mirrors [BLEEP] you do has no relevance to the type of person he is or the people he is putting in office. Please explain the bolded part. I don't see how shorting a currency is stealing money from a nation's taxpayers.
04-02-2023, 10:33 AM
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The economy is not my strong suit, so correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the gist:
Quote:When Britain joined the ERM, the rate was set to 2.95 deutsche marks per pound sterling with a 6% permissible move in either direction. The problem was that the country's inflation rate was high, and interest rates were over 13%. The country's economic boom was far into a period of unsustainable growth. This set the stage for a bust period.34 Soros is known as the man who broke the Bank of England. He made a billion dollars with this exploit (this was in 1992). Not only was he taking advantage of England's bad position, he and his fellow investors intentionally started trying to crash the pound when they started buying German Marks with it, leading to a depreciation of the pound. He amassed disproportionate wealth at the expense of the UK treasury, which affects who? The British taxpayers. The government doesn't have its own money. He essentially saw that England was vulnerable, then exploited that to make himself rich at the expense of the British citizens. Then he did the same thing to Mexico Peso in '95 and the Thailand Baht in '97 and a similar thing with the Japanese Yen. It's been speculated that he's attempted to crash as many as 15 different nation's currencies, so much so that many Eastern European countries have laws against Soros groups. He finally stopped shorting markets in Asia after China backed Hong Kong and absorbed the blow when he tried to bankrupt Hong Kong. All the American talking heads came out against China's policy at the time, but you know who eventually admitted it was the right move? Soros. These people are just scumbags, man, but hey... their Quantum Group netted their investors a 30% yield, yay! China has special policies in place now to keep people like Soros from shorting their currency. Once he moved to his "philanthropic" causes and started getting called out for being a douche (I miss real journalism), he said he regretted getting wealthy on shorting other nations' currencies. Why? Because he needed the PR. He just didn't realize that he could whitewash everything buy buying the media, which has now been rectified. In almost every MSM article, you will see Soros referred to as "The Philanthropist." It's all [BLEEP]. Almost all of his billions were transferred into non-profit "charities," which is essentially just a loophole that lets him hide his billions from taxation while freely allowing him to influence policy. Check out this article on Soros by CBS: Who is George Soros and why is he blamed in so many right-wing conspiracy theories? - CBS News What a joke. There is almost no mention of how he made his billions or what he does with that money. It just demagogues conservatives who dare attack "The Philanthropist." It's not remotely trying to dismantle any of the actual concerns. It just tells you to move on... don't examine anything about this man. This is exactly the kind of article the moderates on this board would post in defense of Soros. He's a self-identified globalist, who has said that the "biggest obstacle to a stable and just world is the United States." He's not for open borders, he wants a global government, and to do that, he needs to break down the structures that uphold the American identity, and I think that's why he is buying DAs now. Imo, the dude is a sociopath. He may believe his own [BLEEP], I don't know. I just know he's a shining example of why we don't need billionaires. Also, I misremembered earlier. He didn't turn in his fellow Jews. He helped confiscate their property, and he had zero remorse for it. There's nothing on record showing he turned someone in, but it wouldn't surprise me.
04-02-2023, 11:57 AM
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(04-02-2023, 10:33 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: The economy is not my strong suit, so correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the gist: Cool. Now do Trump. Now do Rockefellar. Now do Bush.
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We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (04-02-2023, 04:41 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:(04-01-2023, 10:10 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: You're doing that thing again, man. Stop being intellectually dishonest, admit crime is up in areas where he funded campaigns for the winning DAs, look at the rate of prosecutions, and see the pattern. All this smoke and mirrors [BLEEP] you do has no relevance to the type of person he is or the people he is putting in office. I have been in a kayak all weekend and my memory sucks but isn’t Soro’s somehow attached to the collapse of the Greek economy?
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I've been reading up on Soros and his bet against the British pound, and I can't see where what he did was wrong. He correctly perceived that the British pound was mis-priced against other currencies, he shorted the pound, and made a billion dollars. I can't see anything he did in that case that was illegal or immoral. Most articles I've read seem to think what he did was actually beneficial to the British economy.
I don't agree with his political views at all, I will say that.
(04-01-2023, 12:09 PM)The Real Marty Wrote:(04-01-2023, 11:54 AM)americus 2.0 Wrote: Disingenuous people are the worst kind of people. In the context of what we've been talking about I'd say murderers, rapists and child molesters aren't on my radar. Unless you know someone here fitting that description.
(04-01-2023, 04:30 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:(04-01-2023, 03:45 PM)mikesez Wrote: I think this perception that I'm disingenuous may be generational. +1 Mike, if someone asks you a question just answer it. We're not your academic family trying to analyze you, we're just folks on a message board having conversation on a variety of topics. Just go with it and stop analyzing us. Marty, it's sad to me that you think most of us spend our time on here trying to browbeat those we don't agree with. The only time I'll confront someone is when they're talking absolute BS about something that is deeply personal to me and I will say what I need to say about it. Otherwise, I don't really care I'm just making conversation. I asked the question in the thread about where did our values come from and I said I wanted to understand better what folks why they say and believe the things they do. No ulterior motives, just curious. And for the love of God not everyone who is opinionated is a Trump supporter. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (04-02-2023, 10:40 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote:(04-01-2023, 04:30 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: It's your arrogance that assumes other people need you to enlighten them. You always place yourself in that role hence most people don't care for you. And when you claim something to be unknowable you place yourself as the final arbiter of knowledge, something that, again, is an expression of arrogance. Are you doing a gender transition?
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04-03-2023, 07:08 AM
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(04-02-2023, 02:49 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: I've been reading up on Soros and his bet against the British pound, and I can't see where what he did was wrong. He correctly perceived that the British pound was mis-priced against other currencies, he shorted the pound, and made a billion dollars. I can't see anything he did in that case that was illegal or immoral. Most articles I've read seem to think what he did was actually beneficial to the British economy. Let's see if I can explain this. One of the requirements of the European Exchange Rate Mechanism was that a country needed to keep their currency at a set value. Right? So, if a currency went under a certain value, the government had to do something about it. When GB got close to that mark, Soros and his cronies took up a MASSIVE short position against it, which led to rapid depreciation. Because England had to follow the rules, they used their foreign currency reserve to start buying pounds in markets where there was a sell-off (brought on by the huge short and rapid depreciation), and they raised their interest rates to 10% (affecting the British people). England had to remove itself from the European exchange or face a full collapse. This was an intentional crashing of the pound by billionaires so that they could get rich. It sent a whole country into a recession. From what I understand, Germany could have helped England by buying their currency, but chose not to (which is how China saved Hong Kong). However, the fault is with these billionaires who intentionally pushed it over the edge. Several people/firms had a short position against the pound in the off chance it failed, but none of them were big enough [BLEEP] to try to manipulate the market in such a way that would intentionally undermine the efforts of the government to resolve the issue. That was Soros and his buddy. And they did it for greed. What's ok about that, Marty? That it's not illegal? He manipulated markets and sent 15 different nations into massive recessions. How many people did that guy hurt for profit? Now he's "The Philanthropist?" Just because he buys the media and donated most of his money to non-profit charities, that just happen to be largely political? He's telling you what his policies are, and he's trying to make a global government, one in which he has massive amounts of influence. Who in their right mind would trust this guy? You think he wouldn't do the same thing to us? (04-02-2023, 11:57 AM)mikesez Wrote: Cool. I don't have to, dummy. I'm not the one that's pro billionaire.
04-03-2023, 08:20 AM
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(04-03-2023, 07:08 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote:(04-02-2023, 02:49 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: I've been reading up on Soros and his bet against the British pound, and I can't see where what he did was wrong. He correctly perceived that the British pound was mis-priced against other currencies, he shorted the pound, and made a billion dollars. I can't see anything he did in that case that was illegal or immoral. Most articles I've read seem to think what he did was actually beneficial to the British economy. I don't quite see it that way. The way I see it, Soros saw that the way Britain tied the Pound to the German Mark was fundamentally unsound, and that the Pound needed to be devalued in relation to the Mark. So he bet against the Pound. And he was right. The Pound was eventually devalued. I don't think shorting something can permanently depress the price of it. The price of any financial instrument, whether it is stocks or currency or anything else, is in the long term based on actual fundamental value. You establish a short position, but eventually you have to close out your position by buying back the thing you shorted. If no one is willing to admit that you're right, and admit that that thing is worth less than it was when you sold it short, then you lose your money. In Soros' case, the Pound was actually, truly, worth a lot less than the price when he sold it short. When everyone finally admitted that, Soros closed his position at a profit. For a short position to push an asset value off a cliff, that asset value has to be teetering on the edge of a cliff in the first place. The problem with the pound wasn't with Soros. The problem was with the Bank of England, which was artificially propping up the value of the pound by pegging it to the Mark in spite of low interest rates and high inflation. And like I said before, many economists think Soros actually did the the British a favor in the long run, because the longer they waited to devalue the pound, the worse it would have been. Where the British went wrong was trying to fight to keep the pound artificially linked to the Mark. That cost the British taxpayers billions of pounds. But that's not Soros' fault. The British needed to devalue the pound. Because it was artificially kept way overvalued by its tie to the Mark. [/url][url=https://theeconreview.com/2018/10/16/how-soros-broke-the-british-pound/]How Soros Broke the British Pound | The Economics Review (theeconreview.com) You don't need to respond to this. This is just my opinion.
04-03-2023, 09:12 AM
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I'm not denying the pound was in a bad spot. I'm not denying people already had expectations it might fail. There's this saying... the stock market is just a graph of rich peoples' feelings, and Soros takes advantage of that by leveraging his vast amount of wealth to create panic in struggling currencies. It's called moving the market. He correctly guessed that he could manipulate the market by investing billions into a short position, which would cause people to think that he knew something they didn't. THAT is what pushed it over the edge. THAT is what started the panic. All these fluff pieces about the guy are by design, man. He's a psychopath.
Untitled Document (stanford.edu) Quote:The world's undisputed king of applying this type of muscle is George Soros. The August 23, 1993 cover story of Business Week entitled "The Man Who Moves Markets" paints the picture of an investor whose manipulation of the press is matched only his ability to manipulate his financial empire. By far, Soros' greatest gains, however, have been destabilizing currencies on the global market. Time and time again, when a nation is in a monetary crisis, Soros is there to give the currency the last nudge, and then profit as it plummets. He bet against Asian currencies in 1997 and the peso in 1994. Perhaps his most brash move was taking on the Bank of England in September of 1992. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(03-31-2023, 08:55 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Wouldn't be the first time, lol. I never cared until I got married. Now I feel bad for her sake. We were uninvited to a yearly pumpkin carving contest because of a conversation I had about the politics of the war on Christmas. Just found this again to reply. The next time I'm in Jax I'll let you know. It will probably be for a Jags game at this point since that's really the only reason I have to go down there anymore. I think it would be cool to hang out with some of the guys here. When I met some of the guys and girls from here back in the day it was pretty cool. I'm a shy person and an introvert so it was a bit weird for me at first but I'd just chill and listen to others mostly. I remember specifically meeting Jagibelieve and his wife, FBT and Dakota. I think Stormy might have been around. A few others that are no longer around. It was an experience for sure.
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So the DA or people in his office have committed multiple felonies by leaking the charges. It's very clear in all the certifications you have to take that accessing the data without a valid reason or sharing it is a felony. With it under seal, it's even worse.
Let's see if they are charged. Per the leaks, Trump is charged with 34 felonies. So somehow they took something that isn't a crime and made it 34 felonies when it should be a misdemeanor if there was actually a crime committed. Leak also says no mugshot, but if I was Trump I would want the mugshot and sell it. Sent from my SM-T970 using Tapatalk |
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