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(12-06-2023, 11:30 PM)mikesez Wrote: I watched the back half of the debate.  I agreed with a lot of what was said.  All of them but maybe Christie promised to do things Presidents can't actually unilaterally do.  And I was disturbed at the end how all of them went after vaccines.  Both of these ideas are cancerous to our country.  The more Presidential candidates promise to do things unilaterally that they don't have the power to do, the more primed we will be to accept a real dictator when he comes.  And the more we indulge in vaccine skepticism and other forms of reality denial, the more damage that dictator will be able to do to our way of life once he has power.  It's bad enough if we flatten the government out to "what he says goes" but what if we let the guy say completely illogical stuff while he's up there? Big Brother says the chocolate ration was increased to 20 grams.  I have in my hand last week's chocolate wrapper and it's marked 30 grams.  But I have been trained to deny evidence of my eyes and ears when Big Brother, whom I love, tells me otherwise.  We have so many studies showing the vaccines work and cause much less harm than they prevent, but that doesn't matter.  The GOP needs us to doubt that.  It's not enough for the Party to just say "the mandates were wrong" (most of them were, only health care workers should have been mandated, not police and not military) but they feel a need to go after the whole thing and say vaccine manufacturers should be sued.  They know better.  But they reject their own logic and and their own ability to see facts and say things that the Party needs them to say.

Maybe I shouldn't be concerned about that.  But I am.

Not all vaccines just the covid, at least for now.  The entire way this was handled does open the door for further scepticism.
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(12-06-2023, 07:52 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: I mean, this seems like hardball being played here.. But something tells me that The GOP is still playing Hot Potato with no oven mitts..

https://twitter.com/GOPoversight/status/...4uy6w&s=19

I thought he was already supposed to testify, but then lawyers said he wouldn't be showing up. They will do something after Christmas break, maybe. They leave after next week I think.

If they were serious, they would have already told him to show up and testify in an open hearing and sent the marshalls after him.


(12-07-2023, 12:01 AM)copycat Wrote: Not all vaccines just the covid, at least for now.  The entire way this was handled does open the door for further scepticism.

I was never against vaccines but this has changed that. I doubt I'll ever get another one. For kids, parents really need to look at the evidence on if they are even needed, safety issues, and testing. Kids today get way too many vaccines that everyone before a certain age was fine without.

People are seeing the issues that their doctors usually will not voice any opinions that go against the narrative. They also are seeing that you can't trust the pharma companies. Hopefully it leads to honest discussions and trimming the vaccine lists and doctors looking at natural remedies and/or actually solving the problems instead of treating symptoms.

Most drugs are made from things found in nature, so going back to the natural solutions where it makes sense.

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(12-06-2023, 01:32 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: Goodbye you piece of [BLEEP] RINO!!

https://twitter.com/PatrickMcHenry/statu...f3OCQ&s=19
With McCarthy stepping down also, I'm not sure who had control of the GOP. If Rhonda goes next, maybe the RINOs are finally going extinct.

Or it's just the RINO plan to give the democrats the house for next year and pass whatever they want that the MAGA group was holding up.

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Mexican racism. I did not know this. 

https://youtube.com/shorts/NlbSz40d8qA?s...i5ZpFo84qu
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(12-07-2023, 08:44 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: Mexican racism. I did not know this. 

https://youtube.com/shorts/NlbSz40d8qA?s...i5ZpFo84qu

All Latin American countries have forms of racism that look a lot like ours.  It all dates back to who colonized them and how and why.  Argentina is probably the one exception, because they brutally deported and genocided almost all natives and Africans in the mid 1800s. Uruguay is similar but not as extreme.  But any other country will have tension between different skin pigmentation.  You'll hear stories where a mom who is herself clearly mixed race will tell her daughter to avoid marrying someone darker than her, so the kids can be lighter than the parents and have a better life.  When my wife's ancestors came from Cuba to Miami in the 50s, they weren't surprised or disappointed about the Jim Crow laws they found. The only part that ticked them off was when the white bus driver told them they weren't white and sent them to sit with the blacks. In Cuba they had been white, so that was a surprise.
Now many Latin Americans do not care about that stuff and do their best to ignore it.  But many Latin Americans do care.
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(12-06-2023, 09:10 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: I thought I wanted to watch the Republican debate on News Nation. After the first volley I quickly changed my mind. Ain't got no time for dat.

I thought this was a good debate. Nothing has changed. Chris Christie is worthless. He's just there as a disruptor. Nikki Haley is establishment and will make rich people richer as her first priority. DeSantis is good. We know who he is as Floridians. Ramaswamy has good policy ideas. He can be harsh and ramble on, but he says the right things about our political ills of this country.
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The ticket that would end all tickets..
"When asked about Tucker being his VP pick, Trump said: “I like Tucker a lot... He's got great common sense.”

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/17...r5aHA&s=19
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How many of these Climate Monkeys do you think are actually out there doing something like this?

My bet?

None..

https://twitter.com/ClownWorld_/status/1...-3ocg&s=19
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Damn the receipts!! It's all a bunch of lies!! lol

https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1...sDfxg&s=19
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(12-07-2023, 12:08 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: How many of these Climate Monkeys do you think are actually out there doing something like this?

My bet?

None..

https://twitter.com/ClownWorld_/status/1...-3ocg&s=19

Garbage in rivers and canals has nothing to do with climate.  Climate is temperature, wind, precipitation, and cloud cover.  Waste management and climate are both *environment* concerns but not climate.
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(12-07-2023, 01:06 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(12-07-2023, 12:08 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: How many of these Climate Monkeys do you think are actually out there doing something like this?

My bet?

None..

https://twitter.com/ClownWorld_/status/1...-3ocg&s=19

Garbage in rivers and canals has nothing to do with climate.  Climate is temperature, wind, precipitation, and cloud cover.  Waste management and climate are both *environment* concerns but not climate.

And you can't care about one without caring about the other.. That's called Selective Retardedness and that seems to be in your WheelHouse..
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(12-07-2023, 01:22 PM)WingerDinger Wrote:
(12-07-2023, 01:06 PM)mikesez Wrote: Garbage in rivers and canals has nothing to do with climate.  Climate is temperature, wind, precipitation, and cloud cover.  Waste management and climate are both *environment* concerns but not climate.

And you can't care about one without caring about the other.. That's called Selective Retardedness and that seems to be in your WheelHouse..

I care about waste management and climate in my area only.  Waste management problems in Jakarta don't affect me.  But climate problems in Jakarta do.  That's called we all share an atmosphere even though we don't all share land.
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(12-07-2023, 01:59 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(12-07-2023, 01:22 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: And you can't care about one without caring about the other.. That's called Selective Retardedness and that seems to be in your WheelHouse..

I care about waste management and climate in my area only.  Waste management problems in Jakarta don't affect me.  But climate problems in Jakarta do.  That's called we all share an atmosphere even though we don't all share land.

Of course you would only care "half-[BLEEP]", that's also in you and your ilk's WheelHouse..

Another meaningless crusade designed to push guilt for clout and financing..
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(12-07-2023, 10:01 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(12-07-2023, 08:44 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: Mexican racism. I did not know this. 

https://youtube.com/shorts/NlbSz40d8qA?s...i5ZpFo84qu

All Latin American countries have forms of racism that look a lot like ours.  It all dates back to who colonized them and how and why.  Argentina is probably the one exception, because they brutally deported and genocided almost all natives and Africans in the mid 1800s. Uruguay is similar but not as extreme.  But any other country will have tension between different skin pigmentation.  You'll hear stories where a mom who is herself clearly mixed race will tell her daughter to avoid marrying someone darker than her, so the kids can be lighter than the parents and have a better life.  When my wife's ancestors came from Cuba to Miami in the 50s, they weren't surprised or disappointed about the Jim Crow laws they found.  The only part that ticked them off was when the white bus driver told them they weren't white and sent them to sit with the blacks. In Cuba they had been white, so that was a surprise.
Now many Latin Americans do not care about that stuff and do their best to ignore it.  But many Latin Americans do care.

Not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying that Argentinians are not racist?  If so, then you may not know many Argentinians.
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(12-07-2023, 04:03 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote:
(12-07-2023, 10:01 AM)mikesez Wrote: All Latin American countries have forms of racism that look a lot like ours.  It all dates back to who colonized them and how and why.  Argentina is probably the one exception, because they brutally deported and genocided almost all natives and Africans in the mid 1800s. Uruguay is similar but not as extreme.  But any other country will have tension between different skin pigmentation.  You'll hear stories where a mom who is herself clearly mixed race will tell her daughter to avoid marrying someone darker than her, so the kids can be lighter than the parents and have a better life.  When my wife's ancestors came from Cuba to Miami in the 50s, they weren't surprised or disappointed about the Jim Crow laws they found.  The only part that ticked them off was when the white bus driver told them they weren't white and sent them to sit with the blacks. In Cuba they had been white, so that was a surprise.
Now many Latin Americans do not care about that stuff and do their best to ignore it.  But many Latin Americans do care.

Not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying that Argentinians are not racist?  If so, then you may not know many Argentinians.

If the subject of race comes up they may be very harsh and unenlightened, yes.  If they come over here or any other place that has a mix of races, they may not know how to process that.  But race rarely comes up over there. And they are some of the proudest people on the planet, not in a good way.
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"Pay the oligarchs or we’ll kill your kids."

Punchy.
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https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/17...J6viA&s=19
https://twitter.com/drefanzor/status/173...X_3Aw&s=19
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(12-07-2023, 08:13 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status...loKQg&s=19

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status...4Jo7Q&s=19

American troops are already in Latvia, Poland, Lithuania, and Estonia. All places that are next on Putin's list.  If Putin gets peace on his terms with Ukraine, he will threaten a NATO ally next.  Also, it's more or less guaranteed that if the peace negotiations end with Ukraine ceding land to Russia, the remainder of Ukraine will become a NATO ally. And it won't be long before Putin pokes it.
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(12-07-2023, 10:33 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(12-07-2023, 08:13 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status...loKQg&s=19

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status...4Jo7Q&s=19

American troops are already in Latvia, Poland, Lithuania, and Estonia. All places that are next on Putin's list.  If Putin gets peace on his terms with Ukraine, he will threaten a NATO ally next.  Also, it's more or less guaranteed that if the peace negotiations end with Ukraine ceding land to Russia, the remainder of Ukraine will become a NATO ally.  And it won't be long before Putin pokes it.

Putin and the Russians are still chafed at Finland, who had always had an uneasy peace with Russia. So much so, Finland even allowed them to influence their politics to a degree in order to keep the Bear assuaged. But they've never liked each other and have drawn plenty of blood in the past. The Finns finally gave them the middle finger and jumped over to NATO eight months ago.  The Russians considered Finland a northern buffer zone with the West. Ukraine is their southern buffer zone. Putin is feeling cornered. 

Retired Admiral James Stavridis, former NATO Supreme Allied Commander Europe, said on the radio today the war in Ukraine is highly beneficial to U.S. weapons developers because it provides the opportunity to test and prove weapons systems without risking American lives. It's so ironic. We're contributing to keep their space program alive with the ISS but are using their young men as test subjects for weapons. 

The global web of politics and power is fascinating. It also goes to show just how primitive mankind is.
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