I think if we cut Cam there is a 80% chance we draft a RT and move Harrison to LT.  I don't think there will be a LT at 17 worth the pick when we draft but this is the best RT class in years imo.  As you said, if Little can have a really good camp we play him at LT and the rookie at RG so it's a win win

If Little is your starting LT next year than expect lawrence to get hit alot

But with this coaching staff I wont be suprised if he is.... they are too stupid to realize that Little isnt a starting caliber player.

I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure Little was playing well before he got hurt. Then he was switched between guard and tackle all season.

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If Little is your starting LT next year than expect lawrence to get hit alot

But with this coaching staff I wont be suprised if he is.... they are too stupid to realize that Little isnt a starting caliber player.

I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure Little was playing well before he got hurt. Then he was switched between guard and tackle all season.

He was... meh.

Cam is clearly the stronger better player.

Not saying Cam is great.. just that Little is. Well.. little.

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I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure Little was playing well before he got hurt. Then he was switched between guard and tackle all season.

He was... meh.

Cam is clearly the stronger better player.

Not saying Cam is great.. just that Little is. Well.. little.

If you look at the game by game, Walker Little was fine at Left Tackle. He got moved to guard where he's no good, then he started at guard then played fine when he move back to tackle against the tinhorns when PEDSRob went out, and then got hurt against the bungles (who he still had a good game against until he got hurt btw). Then he was playing hurt against the ratbirds and had decent games against the Bucs and panthers. The last game he didn't play, but it's clear when you look at his season that he's a solid to good left tackle who shouldn't have been moved to guard. They will be fine with his production at left tackle next year, time to move on from Robinson.



Edit: I see a few missing games there in the middle, I'll see if I can figure out why. I count the second Indy game, the Aints and the squealers among the missing games. So he didn't play the first two and didn't start against pittsburgh. I forgot about the MCL he got against the bills. Also didn't play against the browns because of the hammy against cincy.

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He was... meh.

Cam is clearly the stronger better player.

Not saying Cam is great.. just that Little is. Well.. little.

If you look at the game by game, Walker Little was fine at Left Tackle. He got moved to guard where he's no good, then he started at guard then played fine when he move back to tackle against the tinhorns when PEDSRob went out, and then got hurt against the bungles (who he still had a good game against until he got hurt btw). Then he was playing hurt against the ratbirds and had decent games against the Bucs and panthers. The last game isn't up on PFF yet, but it's clear when you look at his season that he's a solid to good left tackle who shouldn't have been moved to guard. They will be fine with his production at left tackle next year, time to move on from Robinson.

I just see Little as another one of Pedersons flyweight athletic guys with no real power. Just a finesse guy. I'm tired of that.

He could be wonderful at pass pro, but he won't pancake anyone

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He was... meh.

Cam is clearly the stronger better player.

Not saying Cam is great.. just that Little is. Well.. little.

If you look at the game by game, Walker Little was fine at Left Tackle. He got moved to guard where he's no good, then he started at guard then played fine when he move back to tackle against the tinhorns when PEDSRob went out, and then got hurt against the bungles (who he still had a good game against until he got hurt btw). Then he was playing hurt against the ratbirds and had decent games against the Bucs and panthers. The last game isn't up on PFF yet, but it's clear when you look at his season that he's a solid to good left tackle who shouldn't have been moved to guard. They will be fine with his production at left tackle next year, time to move on from Robinson.



Edit: I see a few missing games there in the middle, I'll see if I can figure out why. I count the second Indy game, the Aints and the squealers among the missing games.  So he didn't play the first two and didn't start against pittsburgh. Also didn't play against the browns.

Because as the first game Cam came back from suspension they put Little in at LG and he got injured.  Thats why he missed games. He got hurt again as well

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If you look at the game by game, Walker Little was fine at Left Tackle. He got moved to guard where he's no good, then he started at guard then played fine when he move back to tackle against the tinhorns when PEDSRob went out, and then got hurt against the bungles (who he still had a good game against until he got hurt btw). Then he was playing hurt against the ratbirds and had decent games against the Bucs and panthers. The last game isn't up on PFF yet, but it's clear when you look at his season that he's a solid to good left tackle who shouldn't have been moved to guard. They will be fine with his production at left tackle next year, time to move on from Robinson.



Edit: I see a few missing games there in the middle, I'll see if I can figure out why. I count the second Indy game, the Aints and the squealers among the missing games.  So he didn't play the first two and didn't start against pittsburgh. Also didn't play against the browns.

Because as the first game Cam came back from suspension they put Little in at LG and he got injured.  Thats why he missed games.  He got hurt again as well

Yeah, almost like he shouldn't have been playing guard like I said for months.

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If you look at the game by game, Walker Little was fine at Left Tackle. He got moved to guard where he's no good, then he started at guard then played fine when he move back to tackle against the tinhorns when PEDSRob went out, and then got hurt against the bungles (who he still had a good game against until he got hurt btw). Then he was playing hurt against the ratbirds and had decent games against the Bucs and panthers. The last game isn't up on PFF yet, but it's clear when you look at his season that he's a solid to good left tackle who shouldn't have been moved to guard. They will be fine with his production at left tackle next year, time to move on from Robinson.

I just see Little as another one of Pedersons flyweight athletic guys with no real power. Just a finesse guy. I'm tired of that.

He could be wonderful at pass pro, but he won't pancake anyone

It's weird because he was drafted before Pederson got here. He's what you want in a left tackle, ie good feet and strong enough to hold up. Look at those first weeks at LT, he was perfectly fine at LT and then they [BLEEP] around and found out with that stupid move to put overpaid PEDSRob back on the field.

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Because as the first game Cam came back from suspension they put Little in at LG and he got injured.  Thats why he missed games.  He got hurt again as well

Yeah, almost like he shouldn't have been playing guard like I said for months.

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I just see Little as another one of Pedersons flyweight athletic guys with no real power. Just a finesse guy. I'm tired of that.

He could be wonderful at pass pro, but he won't pancake anyone

It's weird because he was drafted before Pederson got here. He's what you want in a left tackle, ie good feet and strong enough to hold up. Look at those first weeks at LT, he was perfectly fine at LT and then they [BLEEP] around and found out with that stupid move to put overpaid PEDSRob back on the field.

I just want a line of tough guys. Not a line of should we go for afternoon tea?

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Because as the first game Cam came back from suspension they put Little in at LG and he got injured.  Thats why he missed games.  He got hurt again as well

Yeah, almost like he shouldn't have been playing guard like I said for months.

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I just see Little as another one of Pedersons flyweight athletic guys with no real power. Just a finesse guy. I'm tired of that.

He could be wonderful at pass pro, but he won't pancake anyone

It's weird because he was drafted before Pederson got here. He's what you want in a left tackle, ie good feet and strong enough to hold up. Look at those first weeks at LT, he was perfectly fine at LT and then they [BLEEP] around and found out with that stupid move to put overpaid PEDSRob back on the field.

The downside take on Cam was always slow feet in protection.
Baalke added a guy in Little who had upside there. 
Makes a ton of sense.
No telling if Little will have the durability to be the starting LT moving forward - but his grades there early this year indicate he has the ability. 

Of course everyone here loves those grades until they don't fit their narrative and then it's "PFF grades are trash" so...  The Little haterz won't care about that.

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FWIW
Lageman just said on the radio he's keeping Cam, putting Harrison at LT and letting Little/Robinson compete for RT or swing duty.

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FWIW
Lageman just said on the radio he's keeping Cam, putting Harrison at LT and letting Little/Robinson compete for RT an swing duty.

Meh.. he's a defensive linemen. On the other hand I just can't trust Tony's homerism.

I'd want Cam the strong angry mauler at RT and Harrison (his natural position) at LT

ITS THE INTERIOR THAT HAS SCREWED LT AND TE. (Trevor Lawrence n Travis Etienne)

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FWIW
Lageman just said on the radio he's keeping Cam, putting Harrison at LT and letting Little/Robinson compete for RT an swing duty.

Meh.. he's a defensive linemen. On the other hand I just can't trust Tony's homerism.

I'd want Cam the strong angry mauler at RT and Harrison (his natural position) at LT

ITS THE INTERIOR THAT HAS SCREWED LT AND TE. (Trevor Lawrence n Travis Etienne)

You just said OL play was an excuse for Lawrence's bad performance an hour ago.
make up your [BLEEP] mind

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I personally think Little is decent at LT, no problem there, but he was awful at LG. The bigger issue with the move IMO is that it shows the team thinks he's worse than Cam at LT. Don't give that 'oh, but he refuse...'. The team also drafted a LT to replace Cam when he moves on after this season.

I would not be surprised if Harrison is the starter at LT the coming season, they sign or draft a RT while Little is the swing for his last season.

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Meh.. he's a defensive linemen. On the other hand I just can't trust Tony's homerism.

I'd want Cam the strong angry mauler at RT and Harrison (his natural position) at LT

ITS THE INTERIOR THAT HAS SCREWED LT AND TE. (Trevor Lawrence n Travis Etienne)

You just said OL play was an excuse for Lawrence's bad performance an hour ago.
make up your [BLEEP] mind

....you guys move goalposts constantly.

If Lawrence was a generational QB as promised, he would not need it. He is not. So he does.

Make up YOUR mind.

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Lageman thinks they should start Harrison at LT this upcoming season, move Robinson to RT and then keep Little on the bench as a swing tackle. Thinks they need to get more physical on the offense within the trenches. Thinks they also need a deep threat still, a true Alpha Receiver on the outside that doesn't need a double move to get open downfield.

Pretty interesting takes. Not sure any of that unfolds realistically. I think you can make a case for Harrison at LT while Robinson is cut to clear some cap room and then you could maybe push Little to RT or draft a competitor to make him earn the job, etc. I agree with Lageman about the receiver need though. Kirk and Jones are not deep threats. Good route runners, that's about it.

He also thinks Ridley is not a guy that this team desperately needs back. Said he notices Lawrence doesn't light up in interviews when asked about Ridley the way he does with Christian and Zay. He said that Ridley and the miscommunication and misroutes are also a problem. So, again, really, really interesting takes there from Lageman.

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Lageman thinks they should start Harrison at LT this upcoming season, move Robinson to RT and then keep Little on the bench as a swing tackle. Thinks they need to get more physical on the offense within the trenches. Thinks they also need a deep threat still, a true Alpha Receiver on the outside that doesn't need a double move to get open downfield.

Pretty interesting takes. Not sure any of that unfolds realistically. I think you can make a case for Harrison at LT while Robinson is cut to clear some cap room and then you could maybe push Little to RT or draft a competitor to make him earn the job, etc. I agree with Lageman about the receiver need though. Kirk and Jones are not deep threats. Good route runners, that's about it.

He also thinks Ridley is not a guy that this team desperately needs back. Said he notices Lawrence doesn't light up in interviews when asked about Ridley the way he does with Christian and Zay. He said that Ridley and the miscommunication and misroutes are also a problem. So, again, really, really interesting takes there from Lageman.

Cool. A meathead that does nothing but hunt n fish says stuff with his millions in the bank talks about interviews and tries to infer what is meant. Lageman is dumber than... lots of bad words meaning excrement

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Lageman thinks they should start Harrison at LT this upcoming season, move Robinson to RT and then keep Little on the bench as a swing tackle. Thinks they need to get more physical on the offense within the trenches. Thinks they also need a deep threat still, a true Alpha Receiver on the outside that doesn't need a double move to get open downfield.

Pretty interesting takes. Not sure any of that unfolds realistically. I think you can make a case for Harrison at LT while Robinson is cut to clear some cap room and then you could maybe push Little to RT or draft a competitor to make him earn the job, etc. I agree with Lageman about the receiver need though. Kirk and Jones are not deep threats. Good route runners, that's about it.

He also thinks Ridley is not a guy that this team desperately needs back. Said he notices Lawrence doesn't light up in interviews when asked about Ridley the way he does with Christian and Zay. He said that Ridley and the miscommunication and misroutes are also a problem. So, again, really, really interesting takes there from Lageman.

I heard him say Cam and Walker would compete for RT in that scenario at the end of those comments.

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Lageman thinks they should start Harrison at LT this upcoming season, move Robinson to RT and then keep Little on the bench as a swing tackle. Thinks they need to get more physical on the offense within the trenches. Thinks they also need a deep threat still, a true Alpha Receiver on the outside that doesn't need a double move to get open downfield.

Pretty interesting takes. Not sure any of that unfolds realistically. I think you can make a case for Harrison at LT while Robinson is cut to clear some cap room and then you could maybe push Little to RT or draft a competitor to make him earn the job, etc. I agree with Lageman about the receiver need though. Kirk and Jones are not deep threats. Good route runners, that's about it.

He also thinks Ridley is not a guy that this team desperately needs back. Said he notices Lawrence doesn't light up in interviews when asked about Ridley the way he does with Christian and Zay. He said that Ridley and the miscommunication and misroutes are also a problem. So, again, really, really interesting takes there from Lageman.

Cool. A meathead that does nothing but hunt n fish says stuff with his millions in the bank talks about interviews and tries to infer what is meant. Lageman is dumber than... lots of bad words meaning excrement

That "meathead" actually played the game, watches the film and does a good job breaking things down for the casuals out there. 

Imagine saying, all within the same sentence and breath, that, someone that hunts and fishes (that's a skill by the way, tracking, setting up rigs, landing something, etc.), says stuff with millions in the bank and is dumber than a bunch of expletives.

Did Lageman bang your Mom or Wife or something?

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Lageman thinks they should start Harrison at LT this upcoming season, move Robinson to RT and then keep Little on the bench as a swing tackle. Thinks they need to get more physical on the offense within the trenches. Thinks they also need a deep threat still, a true Alpha Receiver on the outside that doesn't need a double move to get open downfield.

Pretty interesting takes. Not sure any of that unfolds realistically. I think you can make a case for Harrison at LT while Robinson is cut to clear some cap room and then you could maybe push Little to RT or draft a competitor to make him earn the job, etc. I agree with Lageman about the receiver need though. Kirk and Jones are not deep threats. Good route runners, that's about it.

He also thinks Ridley is not a guy that this team desperately needs back. Said he notices Lawrence doesn't light up in interviews when asked about Ridley the way he does with Christian and Zay. He said that Ridley and the miscommunication and misroutes are also a problem. So, again, really, really interesting takes there from Lageman.

I heard him say Cam and Walker would compete for RT in that scenario at the end of those comments.

Yeah. Caught the tail end of that on the job. Interesting ideas. Again, doubtful it plays out like that.

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Because as the first game Cam came back from suspension they put Little in at LG and he got injured.  Thats why he missed games.  He got hurt again as well

Yeah, almost like he shouldn't have been playing guard like I said for months.

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I just see Little as another one of Pedersons flyweight athletic guys with no real power. Just a finesse guy. I'm tired of that.

He could be wonderful at pass pro, but he won't pancake anyone

It's weird because he was drafted before Pederson got here. He's what you want in a left tackle, ie good feet and strong enough to hold up. Look at those first weeks at LT, he was perfectly fine at LT and then they [BLEEP] around and found out with that stupid move to put overpaid PEDSRob back on the field.

Except he wasn't... theres time where Pederson had to give him help and he kept getting pushed around. There's atleast TWO times where he stepped on Trevors ankles due to poor footwork and not enough strength. He is a solid backup swing tackle at best, and if coaching staff decides he is more than that then we will hear more of you whiny homers on here how our OLine sucks and how good Trevor could be if he had a good line. There’s a reason he couldn’t beat Cam out. 

I've been saying all season that he's clearly the weak link on the O-line. He was horrible at G and couldn't handle a bullrush to save his life. I even noticed that Trev has been getting more time in the pocket since Cleveland came in at LG

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Yeah, almost like he shouldn't have been playing guard like I said for months.

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It's weird because he was drafted before Pederson got here. He's what you want in a left tackle, ie good feet and strong enough to hold up. Look at those first weeks at LT, he was perfectly fine at LT and then they [BLEEP] around and found out with that stupid move to put overpaid PEDSRob back on the field.

The downside take on Cam was always slow feet in protection.
Baalke added a guy in Little who had upside there. 
Makes a ton of sense.
No telling if Little will have the durability to be the starting LT moving forward - but his grades there early this year indicate he has the ability. 

Of course everyone here loves those grades until they don't fit their narrative and then it's "PFF grades are trash" so...  The Little haterz won't care about that.

Baalke was a moron and Little Walker pick was [BLEEP] stupid.


Another reason that Baalke doesnt deserve to be the GM, if only if that moron wouldve seen Little play in 2018, the guy was horrible. He's started 1 game since the start of 2019, before he got drafted here. Not sure [BLEEP] Baalke seen in Little, Little is just really sloppy with his play, he doesnt play with that mean streak you want with OT, he has really poor technique, he doesn’t move well at all so guys who explode off the edge eat this dude for breakfast lunch and dinner, plus he was coming off that knee injury..  he has some piss poor hand placement and fails to get good leverage on guys because he’s stiffer then a 2X4.

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Yeah, almost like he shouldn't have been playing guard like I said for months.

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It's weird because he was drafted before Pederson got here. He's what you want in a left tackle, ie good feet and strong enough to hold up. Look at those first weeks at LT, he was perfectly fine at LT and then they [BLEEP] around and found out with that stupid move to put overpaid PEDSRob back on the field.

Except he wasn't... theres time where Pederson had to give him help and he kept getting pushed around. There's atleast TWO times where he stepped on Trevors ankles due to poor footwork and not enough strength. He is a solid backup swing tackle at best, and if coaching staff decides he is more than that then we will hear more of you whiny homers on here how our OLine sucks and how good Trevor could be if he had a good line. There’s a reason he couldn’t beat Cam out. 

I've been saying all season that he's clearly the weak link on the O-line. He was horrible at G and couldn't handle a bullrush to save his life. I even noticed that Trev has been getting more time in the pocket since Cleveland came in at LG

There's $16 million reasons why he couldn't beat Cam out. The rest is nonsense, he graded out fine for an inexpensive left tackle. Had they not moved him to guard he would've been our best lineman all year instead of being hurt by their stubborness to use PEDSRob. I said before the season he had no business at guard, he's the best left tackle on the team and should've been the starter there all year. When they fix the interior of the line everything else will fall away into bad memories.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato