Ridley
Davis
Kirk
Draft Pick
Washington

On the fence

Cooks
Tim Jones


I really want us to develop some WR talent instead of FA

Those wide receivers look dangerous. Plenty of weapons for #16 this year. I’m super excited.

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Would you guys rather select a WR like Thomas Jr. at 17 or resign Ridley and use the #17 pick on CB?

Would prefer DT or EDGE there. As the value seems to be lining up perfectly there anyway. Between Byron Murphy, Jer'Zhan Newton, Laiatu Latu & Jared Verse. There's a good chance one of those four guys is there at seventeen and they would help solidify a stronger front four for this defense. 

We need some type of presence on that front. Beyond Allen and Walker. It will be nice if Hamilton comes back in 2024 completely ready to go but you can never have too many good strong players on defense along the line. I think, since they've cut Fatukasi and they've been pretty mum in FA with DT's. 

It might reveal how they see the board falling. I just don't expect Baalke to go offense in RD1 and I don't think he'll go CB at #17. He's found some really, really good secondary players outside of RD1 throughout his career. His tendency is going after the big, freaky athletes that can play standing up along the line of scrimmage or with their hands in the dirt.

Said it in the college forum. BUT, another guy to watch. Darius Robinson, out of Missouri. That's another freakish athlete Baalke covets. I could see him being a bit of a dark horse option or potential target after a trade down.

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So people have completely given up on signing an impact DT?  How are we signing Ridley AND fixing the defensive interior?  We spent the $$$ on Gabe?

Calvin is 30 years old.

I'd get it if he were 27.

Draft.

If it is true that Ridley re-signs with the Jaguars tomorrow, defensive line becomes the overwhelming favorite to be targeted in round 1. Interior pass rush is the biggest need, but I don't see Baalke taking Newton or Murphy due to their lack of size. If either Verse or Latu are available, they'd have to be strongly considered. Both have few weaknesses and are very capable of getting double-digit sacks on an annual basis. I agree with Caldrac about Darius Robinson being a guy that Baalke would fall in love with due to his size and ability to play end or tackle. Personally, I'd prefer Verse or Latu since they are more natural pass rushers. This would enable Walker to play more snaps inside where he has proven to be hard to handle. The only other players that would make sense would be if Brock Bowers falls (not likely) or they feel that either Mitchell or Wiggins are can't miss shut-down corners. Darby is very capable of playing corner or nickel so taking a cornerback should not be off the table.

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I see Derrick Henry running for 150 yards against us in a playoff game next season.

It's too bad everyone thinks spending a ton of money on our receiving corp, while relying on the likes of Hamilton and Big Ray to be better than they were this season will win the AFC South...much less do well in the playoffs.

It's great having receiving weapons...but if TREVOR doesn't make quick reads...if we can't convert 3rd and 5+...while stopping the other team in key situations...it's going to be another 9-8 season with the Jags beating non physical teams but getting punched in the mouth when they go up against the Browns, Bengals, Ravens...and Texans.

I'll root for Ridley if he signs. I will.

But the team that won the SB didn't have 3 quality receivers on their team. Hell...they didn't have TWO quality receivers on their team.

Keeping Ridley will sell jerseys and win some games...but I don't think Ridley makes the Jags a tougher win for physical opponents. And I don't think even the best defensive player left on the board when the Jags pick at 17 will have a big impact this up coming season.

Ask yourselves this.

Why weren't more playoff teams in the market for Calvin Ridley? Why are the Jags...and the NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS in the market for his services...yet not Detroit, Green Bay, Kansas City, Cincinnati, the RAMS...looking to add what he brings to the table if he's worth what the Jags are going to pay?

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The Other Jag Forum: Duval Football Fans.

Brandon Scherff is no longer that dude.   Next season I want him gone.

It's a strong year for WR in the draft and with Kirks contract up next year I believe, it would be a good year to add a legit weapon for the future but they would probably be 4th or 5th on the depth chart. We have other areas that could use a top pick this season.

It feels with the moves we've made that the FO want to compete now and if Ridley comes back then it feels WR will not their main concerns to improve.

This is the NFL, the future is always now. This team is ready, the glaring holes are getting smaller by the day.

Your right of course and the roster is looking a lot better. There are definitely still some areas that need improving and players could come in and be a starter. They've rolled the dice while we have Trevor on his rookie deal and I think Houston last year made them be aggressive. 

I'd like to see them add something to Dline from FA. Just a cheap vet to help with rotation just to get some depth as it's looking light right now.

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I see Derrick Henry running for 150 yards against us in a playoff game next season.

It's too bad everyone thinks spending a ton of money on our receiving corp, while relying on the likes of Hamilton and Big Ray to be better than they were this season will win the AFC South...much less do well in the playoffs.

It's great having receiving weapons...but if TREVOR doesn't make quick reads...if we can't convert 3rd and 5+...while stopping the other team in key situations...it's going to be another 9-8 season with the Jags beating non physical teams but getting punched in the mouth when they go up against the Browns, Bengals, Ravens...and Texans.

I'll root for Ridley if he signs.  I will.

But the team that won the SB didn't have 3 quality receivers on their team.  Hell...they didn't have TWO quality receivers on their team.

Keeping Ridley will sell jerseys and win some games...but I don't think Ridley makes the Jags a tougher win for physical opponents.  And I don't think even the best defensive player left on the board when the Jags pick at 17 will have a big impact this up coming season.

Ask yourselves this.

Why weren't more playoff teams in the market for Calvin Ridley?  Why are the Jags...and the NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS in the market for his services...yet not Detroit, Green Bay, Kansas City, Cincinnati, the RAMS...looking to add what he brings to the table if he's worth what the Jags are going to pay?

If you’re so sure we get to the play offs to play against the ravens it would mean our d line is much better, so if we were to get there Henry wouldn’t worry me in the slightest.

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Going back to Ridley, there were times last year when people question if he was good for the locker room. I think the loyalty he’s shown to us during this free agency, he deserves a lot of respect for it, baalke and the rest of the coaches clearly outlined there plan and trusted him to wait it out.

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I see Derrick Henry running for 150 yards against us in a playoff game next season.

It's too bad everyone thinks spending a ton of money on our receiving corp, while relying on the likes of Hamilton and Big Ray to be better than they were this season will win the AFC South...much less do well in the playoffs.

It's great having receiving weapons...but if TREVOR doesn't make quick reads...if we can't convert 3rd and 5+...while stopping the other team in key situations...it's going to be another 9-8 season with the Jags beating non physical teams but getting punched in the mouth when they go up against the Browns, Bengals, Ravens...and Texans.

I'll root for Ridley if he signs.  I will.

But the team that won the SB didn't have 3 quality receivers on their team.  Hell...they didn't have TWO quality receivers on their team.

Keeping Ridley will sell jerseys and win some games...but I don't think Ridley makes the Jags a tougher win for physical opponents.  And I don't think even the best defensive player left on the board when the Jags pick at 17 will have a big impact this up coming season.

Ask yourselves this.

Why weren't more playoff teams in the market for Calvin Ridley?  Why are the Jags...and the NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS in the market for his services...yet not Detroit, Green Bay, Kansas City, Cincinnati, the RAMS...looking to add what he brings to the table if he's worth what the Jags are going to pay?

Yea…. They had Mahomes lol We just gotta find Mahomes!

Look, if you don’t have Mahomes, you have to excel in other areas on offense.

GB has the best young WR core in the NFL. They’re awesome. Cincinnati has Higgins and Chase. KC doesn’t have a lot of money but there was a dark horse team after Ridley. Detroit probably should have been calling.

Everyone agrees they need to get better in the trenches but they still have lots of time in FA and the draft to do that.

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Pats sending us Mac was all a play to try to get Ridley. They sent him here and said “see if you stay you might end up having to play with Mac. That won’t happen here now”

The old "subtraction by addition" play.

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Bring ARob home and cut ties with Zay.

Is he pulling a Cyprien too?

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That Pats publicly announcing they're waiting on a response from Ridley is in part what leads me to that conclusion.  Who does that unless you've been left hanging and why would you be left hanging in negotiations like these?

When all is said and done he'll somehow end up on the Chiefs for a free sandwich.

....four years from now.

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Fatukasi signed with Houston on a 1 year deal.  Looking forward to some more #becausejaguars moments ugh!

....like when they took Boselli from us?

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There is a thing in contracts/law deemed disingenuous (or bad faith).  In this case, we entered a contract with the Atlanta Falcons and by announcing it but not signing the contract (which would render giving up a 2nd rounder), it could be deemed as an act of bad faith, thus opening up potential for a breach of contract.  With that in mind, better to just not disclose any agreed upon terms and wait until tomorrow to reduce potential controversy regarding the contract, which could be subject to differences in interpretation ....

https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=21

bad faith

1) n. intentional dishonest act by not fulfilling legal or contractual obligations, misleading another, entering into an agreement without the intention or means to fulfill it, or violating basic standards of honesty in dealing with others. Most states recognize what is called "implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing" which is breached by acts of bad faith, for which a lawsuit may be brought (filed) for the breach (just as one might sue for breach of contract). The question of bad faith may be raised as a defense to a suit on a contract. 2) adj. when there is bad faith then a transaction is called a "bad faith" contract or "bad faith" offer.

Agreed but unless you can prove a contract was valid, they wouldn't be able to argue the Jags had entered into a contract with him. The NFL doesn't honor/enforce verbal contracts. They have to have paperwork signed, health checks, etc. Nothing that happens in the legal tampering period is legally binding. It's definitely gaming the system but not illegal.

I would expect there to be terms in the trade deal that set the rules for this. Say that the Jags can't offer anything before a certain date or it counts as a per FA deal. That still won't stop unofficial offers, just like illegal tampering still happens every year.

It's still putting kindling on a stack of logs. Keep everything behind closed doors and Atl has no argument that any offer was entertained or agreed upon prior to the league year starting.

It sure as heck seems like Rid is fully willing to either give us the opportunity to counter any offer he's gotten thusfar if we are waiting till 4p, or he's just as willing to keep quiet about any informal agreement between he and the FO. Are we that childish that we can't wait a day or two to take risk out of the equation? What is the benefit of making the announcement on Sunday afternoon vs. Wednesday evening?

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I bet Mac Jones is telling Ridley he doesnt want to go to NE and it will help us in the end.  Im sure Mac knows Ridley being both went to Bama and Mac is from Jax so......

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I seen a Pats fan post this on their page

"We’ve officially become the bad team with cap space used as leverage "

Man how the tables have turned

Oh man that quote....kudos to that guy for having full understanding of their situation. Humility is not something I'd have expected from the Bahston fanbase.

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Pats sending us Mac was all a play to try to get Ridley. They sent him here and said “see if you stay you might end up having to play with Mac. That won’t happen here now”

The old "subtraction by addition" play.

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Bring ARob home and cut ties with Zay.

Is he pulling a Cyprien too?

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When all is said and done he'll somehow end up on the Chiefs for a free sandwich.

....four years from now.

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Fatukasi signed with Houston on a 1 year deal.  Looking forward to some more #becausejaguars moments ugh!

....like when they took Boselli from us?

Welp, we found the one person who was upset that we let Foley go.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Feel like this hurts Allen's 30 mil a year request.

I definitely dont think it will help Allen.  Giants should of went all out to sign Hunter for cheaper and a better player that Burns and dont have to give up picks.  If I was a Giants fan I wouldnt be happy lol

Wait...Daniel Jones is their starting QB on a huge deal and THIS is the straw that breaks the camel's back? Naw....Gints fan has been unhappy for quite some time now.

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So dumb if we don't take a wr in the draft

Can we wait until April to pout over the draft? Have we not learned anything in the past week about jumping the gun on overreaction?

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Ridley
Davis
Kirk
Draft Pick
Washington

On the fence

Cooks
Tim Jones


I really want us to develop some WR talent instead of FA

Those wide receivers look dangerous. Plenty of weapons for #16 this year. I’m super excited.

(we said the same thing last year)

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I see Derrick Henry running for 150 yards against us in a playoff game next season.

It's too bad everyone thinks spending a ton of money on our receiving corp, while relying on the likes of Hamilton and Big Ray to be better than they were this season will win the AFC South...much less do well in the playoffs.

It's great having receiving weapons...but if TREVOR doesn't make quick reads...if we can't convert 3rd and 5+...while stopping the other team in key situations...it's going to be another 9-8 season with the Jags beating non physical teams but getting punched in the mouth when they go up against the Browns, Bengals, Ravens...and Texans.

I'll root for Ridley if he signs.  I will.

But the team that won the SB didn't have 3 quality receivers on their team.  Hell...they didn't have TWO quality receivers on their team.

Keeping Ridley will sell jerseys and win some games...but I don't think Ridley makes the Jags a tougher win for physical opponents.  And I don't think even the best defensive player left on the board when the Jags pick at 17 will have a big impact this up coming season.

Ask yourselves this.

Why weren't more playoff teams in the market for Calvin Ridley?  Why are the Jags...and the NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS in the market for his services...yet not Detroit, Green Bay, Kansas City, Cincinnati, the RAMS...looking to add what he brings to the table if he's worth what the Jags are going to pay?

Ray? You mean RoyRob?
I'm much more worried about Lamar, even though he fades every postseason. No idea what Henry has left in the tank. He played out of his mind to close out his last game with the tacks, unfortunately it happened to be against us. The four games prior to that? 17 for 34, 16 for a whopping 9 yards, 19 for 88, 12 for 42.

Why didn't the other teams bid? Cincy - they have a 1, franchised their 2, Joey B eats up a buncha cap. Roms have two of the best young WR in the game, and I doubt they have a heap of cap to play with. KC just made Jones the highest paid defender, cap room is a premium especially considering where Mahomes ranks in pay. Detroit has a first rounder and one of the best WR in St. Brown.

Truth be told, the teams that would be making offers to Rid are the ones that are not great landing places. Teams with cap room and need for WR, like Carolina, Az, NE are going to be the ones to make the bank-breaking offers. Considering his age, it's probably worth it to stick with what you know and not have to re-learn or turn everything upside down, especially if he did have to exorcise some emotional demons before he got here. If you recall, it wasn't just the wagering thing that was going on during his time in ATL.

Who were you looking for us to acquire in his stead to make us the greater playoff threat?

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I see Derrick Henry running for 150 yards against us in a playoff game next season.

It's too bad everyone thinks spending a ton of money on our receiving corp, while relying on the likes of Hamilton and Big Ray to be better than they were this season will win the AFC South...much less do well in the playoffs.

It's great having receiving weapons...but if TREVOR doesn't make quick reads...if we can't convert 3rd and 5+...while stopping the other team in key situations...it's going to be another 9-8 season with the Jags beating non physical teams but getting punched in the mouth when they go up against the Browns, Bengals, Ravens...and Texans.

I'll root for Ridley if he signs.  I will.

But the team that won the SB didn't have 3 quality receivers on their team.  Hell...they didn't have TWO quality receivers on their team.

Keeping Ridley will sell jerseys and win some games...but I don't think Ridley makes the Jags a tougher win for physical opponents.  And I don't think even the best defensive player left on the board when the Jags pick at 17 will have a big impact this up coming season.

Ask yourselves this.

Why weren't more playoff teams in the market for Calvin Ridley?  Why are the Jags...and the NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS in the market for his services...yet not Detroit, Green Bay, Kansas City, Cincinnati, the RAMS...looking to add what he brings to the table if he's worth what the Jags are going to pay?

Ray? You mean RoyRob?
I'm much more worried about Lamar, even though he fades every postseason. No idea what Henry has left in the tank. He played out of his mind to close out his last game with the tacks, unfortunately it happened to be against us. The four games prior to that? 17 for 34, 16 for a whopping 9 yards, 19 for 88, 12 for 42.

Why didn't the other teams bid? Cincy - they have a 1, franchised their 2, Joey B eats up a buncha cap. Roms have two of the best young WR in the game, and I doubt they have a heap of cap to play with. KC just made Jones the highest paid defender, cap room is a premium especially considering where Mahomes ranks in pay. Detroit has a first rounder and one of the best WR in St. Brown.

Truth be told, the teams that would be making offers to Rid are the ones that are not great landing places. Teams with cap room and need for WR, like Carolina, Az, NE are going to be the ones to make the bank-breaking offers. Considering his age, it's probably worth it to stick with what you know and not have to re-learn or turn everything upside down, especially if he did have to exorcise some emotional demons before he got here. If you recall, it wasn't just the wagering thing that was going on during his time in ATL.

Who were you looking for us to acquire in his stead to make us the greater playoff threat?

Less about him being good, more about how atrocious our defensive line was. We'll see new blood here soon.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Assuming Ridley signs later today, I'll expect Cam to be cut or traded. Also, Zay appears to be an attractive cut and so does Gotsis to a lesser extent. Allen's tag is taking up more space than a new deal would so they'll create some space by signing him, but I don't think there's enough wiggle room for Allen and Ridley without getting rid of Cam, hopefully in a trade considering how many teams need Tackle help. Lawrence isn't getting done this offseason.

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They could create more room by having minimal 2024 base salaries for Ridley and Allen with pretty decent sized signing bonuses so the player gets his cash and the team gets the space in the current year. There's pros and cons to that though. I'm not sure how comfortable I'd be doing that with Ridley.

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Assuming Ridley signs later today, I'll expect Cam to be cut or traded.  Also, Zay appears to be an attractive cut and so does Gotsis to a lesser extent.  Allen's tag is taking up more space than a new deal would so they'll create some space by signing him, but I don't think there's enough wiggle room for Allen and Ridley without getting rid of Cam, hopefully in a trade considering how many teams need Tackle help.  Lawrence isn't getting done this offseason.

I don't see them cutting it trading Cam. His cap hit is big, making him hard to trade. Cutting him frees up cash, but puts them in position of needing multiple OL in the draft rather than just an Interior guy. Is little ready for a full time workload? I don't think he is.... Instead, they need to approach him about a restructure/extension to cut his cap hit and free up more money. 

Gotsis can go. He's nothing but a depth guy. Though I prefer they keep Zay, adding Davis and resigning Ridley makes that difficult, especially if they still intend to draft a WR.

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Assuming Ridley signs later today, I'll expect Cam to be cut or traded.  Also, Zay appears to be an attractive cut and so does Gotsis to a lesser extent.  Allen's tag is taking up more space than a new deal would so they'll create some space by signing him, but I don't think there's enough wiggle room for Allen and Ridley without getting rid of Cam, hopefully in a trade considering how many teams need Tackle help.  Lawrence isn't getting done this offseason.

I don't see them cutting it trading Cam. His cap hit is big, making him hard to trade. Cutting him frees up cash, but puts them in position of needing multiple OL in the draft rather than just an Interior guy. Is little ready for a full time workload? I don't think he is.... Instead, they need to approach him about a restructure/extension to cut his cap hit and free up more money. 

Gotsis can go. He's nothing but a depth guy. Though I prefer they keep Zay, adding Davis and resigning Ridley makes that difficult, especially if they still intend to draft a WR.

No, the only thing the team sending the player has to account for is the dead cap which would be the same thing they have to account for if they cut him outright.  The Cap Hit figure for 2024 includes salary not yet paid to Cam which unless negotiated as part of the trade is the responsibility of the receiving team.  I'd assume that if he were traded he'd also be negotiating a new deal with his new team which would completely change his 2024 cap hit for them regardless.  Just the same as he'd be negotiating a new deal with a new team if we cut him.

Here's the spotrac link to his page.  https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville...son-21775/

Cap hit is if we keep him on his current deal this year.  Dead cap is if we part ways via trade or cut.  There's a cap savings of over $17 million by parting ways with him.  

Go play with the team cap simulator on spotrac.  Signing Ridley is going to force Cam out even with a long term contract lowering Allen's current cap hit unless they do a bunch of restructures with other guys which would be foolish in my opinion.  You need $5 to $10M in cap space for the upcoming draftees as well.  Cam is all but gone with a Ridley contract later today.  The question is, can you get sufficient comp in a pick or picks in return or is it better to cut him and hope for a compensatory pick next year.

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I don't see them cutting it trading Cam. His cap hit is big, making him hard to trade. Cutting him frees up cash, but puts them in position of needing multiple OL in the draft rather than just an Interior guy. Is little ready for a full time workload? I don't think he is.... Instead, they need to approach him about a restructure/extension to cut his cap hit and free up more money. 

Gotsis can go. He's nothing but a depth guy. Though I prefer they keep Zay, adding Davis and resigning Ridley makes that difficult, especially if they still intend to draft a WR.

No, the only thing the team sending the player has to account for is the dead cap which would be the same thing they have to account for if they cut him outright.  The Cap Hit figure for 2024 includes salary not yet paid to Cam which unless negotiated as part of the trade is the responsibility of the receiving team.  I'd assume that if he were traded he'd also be negotiating a new deal with his new team which would completely change his 2024 cap hit for them regardless.  Just the same as he'd be negotiating a new deal with a new team if we cut him.

Here's the spotrac link to his page.  https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville...son-21775/

Cap hit is if we keep him on his current deal this year.  Dead cap is if we part ways via trade or cut.  There's a cap savings of over $17 million by parting ways with him.  

Go play with the team cap simulator on spotrac.  Signing Ridley is going to force Cam out even with a long term contract lowering Allen's current cap hit unless they do a bunch of restructures with other guys which would be foolish in my opinion.  You need $5 to $10M in cap space for the upcoming draftees as well.  Cam is all but gone with a Ridley contract later today.  The question is, can you get sufficient comp in a pick or picks in return or is it better to cut him and hope for a compensatory pick next year.

Keep in mind, comp picks are not for losing individual players to other teams.  Comp picks are given for the net of gains and losses.

I'm sure you knew this already.  I just wanted to point it out for anyone who might be reading this thread.

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No, the only thing the team sending the player has to account for is the dead cap which would be the same thing they have to account for if they cut him outright.  The Cap Hit figure for 2024 includes salary not yet paid to Cam which unless negotiated as part of the trade is the responsibility of the receiving team.  I'd assume that if he were traded he'd also be negotiating a new deal with his new team which would completely change his 2024 cap hit for them regardless.  Just the same as he'd be negotiating a new deal with a new team if we cut him.

Here's the spotrac link to his page.  https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville...son-21775/

Cap hit is if we keep him on his current deal this year.  Dead cap is if we part ways via trade or cut.  There's a cap savings of over $17 million by parting ways with him.  

Go play with the team cap simulator on spotrac.  Signing Ridley is going to force Cam out even with a long term contract lowering Allen's current cap hit unless they do a bunch of restructures with other guys which would be foolish in my opinion.  You need $5 to $10M in cap space for the upcoming draftees as well.  Cam is all but gone with a Ridley contract later today.  The question is, can you get sufficient comp in a pick or picks in return or is it better to cut him and hope for a compensatory pick next year.

Keep in mind, comp picks are not for losing individual players to other teams.  Comp picks are given for the net of gains and losses.

Cut players don't count towards comp picks either, only free agents.

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Here's the "manage roster" link for the Jaguars on Spotrac.  Our cap with 2023 rollover is $263.8M.  We're $7.2M over that at present.   Allen's hit is currently at $24+M which may come down depending on how his long term deal looks.  And Ridley is not yet accounted for.   Cam is gone if Ridley signs.

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Keep in mind, comp picks are not for losing individual players to other teams.  Comp picks are given for the net of gains and losses.

Cut players don't count towards comp picks either, only free agents.

What do you think a "cut" player becomes once he's cut?

EDIT: Nevermind, I see your point as in contract ending versus being cut prior to contract ending.

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