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I'm sorry, but saying that Trevor Lawrence has more pressure to deliver than any player in football, because the Jags have no ability to win without him is poppycock.

So, the Chiefs and Bills could win without Mahomes and Allen playing well? How did the Jets do with a great roster last year without a QB playing well? Trevor has more pressure on him than Aaron Rodgers does this season?

Blah...

Facts don’t care about your feelings.

Jets won 7 games last year without Rodgers.

Mahomes was not himself last year on the regular season and yet they won 11 games.

I do however think Josh Allen is the man for his team but the fact remains that without Trevor, this is a bottom 3-5 team.

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I'm sorry, but saying that Trevor Lawrence has more pressure to deliver than any player in football, because the Jags have no ability to win without him is poppycock.

So, the Chiefs and Bills could win without Mahomes and Allen playing well? How did the Jets do with a great roster last year without a QB playing well? Trevor has more pressure on him than Aaron Rodgers does this season?

Blah...

but the fact remains that without Trevor, this is a bottom 3-5 team.

You give me this Jags roster, give me Doug Pederson, sign Ryan Tannehill for me, and the Jags win 9 games easy.

Trevor is not in that bad of a situation in Jax. He doesn't need y'all defending him this hard. He is a good QB, Trevor knows this year he needs to show he can make the Jags actual contenders.

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https://twitter.com/theryanmichael/statu...915L-t18Xg

"How QB-dependent are the #Jaguars?  

3-25 when #TrevorLawrence’s PR dips below 90.0.
17-5 when his PR is 90.0 or higher. 

Lawrence has had more pressure to deliver than any player in football b/c the Jags’ ability to win w/o him has been virtually non-existent."

I read these stats differently than the original poster.  When he has a lower than 90 Passer Rating the Jags aren't 'without him,' they are playing with his poor(ish) QB performance.  I'd like to see this in a list of other teams for comparison, but my feeling is that most of the 'lower than 90' may be due to turnovers.  Teams that win the turnover battle win 70% of the time, and that is an area that Doug Pederson himself has stressed that TLaw needs to improve in the off-season/season.

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NYC4jags Wrote:
Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

but the fact remains that without Trevor, this is a bottom 3-5 team.

You give me this Jags roster, give me Doug Pederson, sign Ryan Tannehill for me, and the Jags win 9 games easy.

Trevor is not in that bad of a situation in Jax. He doesn't need y'all defending him this hard. He is a good QB, Trevor knows this year he needs to show he can make the Jags actual contenders.

I see people informing you on things that you clearly don't know anything about

You can characterize that as defending Trevor Lawrence if you want to, but it's a lot of horse [BLEEP] 

Troll elsewhere

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You give me this Jags roster, give me Doug Pederson, sign Ryan Tannehill for me, and the Jags win 9 games easy.

Trevor is not in that bad of a situation in Jax. He doesn't need y'all defending him this hard. He is a good QB, Trevor knows this year he needs to show he can make the Jags actual contenders.

I see people informing you on things that you clearly don't know anything about

You can characterize that as defending Trevor Lawrence if you want to, but it's a lot of horse [BLEEP] 

Troll elsewhere

Thank you. Tannehill would win us 9 games. Lol. Just as they make one post saying 'I don't think Trevor is bad' then a number of posts of how bad he is, apparently that's not criticising him. 

You can tell fans that watch the Jags regularly and those that don't from their Trevor takes. Does he have room to improve? Certainly. Is he anywhere near the biggest problems we have? Not even close.

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but the fact remains that without Trevor, this is a bottom 3-5 team.

You give me this Jags roster, give me Doug Pederson, sign Ryan Tannehill for me, and the Jags win 9 games easy.

Trevor is not in that bad of a situation in Jax. He doesn't need y'all defending him this hard. He is a good QB, Trevor knows this year he needs to show he can make the Jags actual contenders.

9 games with Ryan Tannehill.

Sheesh.

Maybe sit the next few plays out champ.

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You give me this Jags roster, give me Doug Pederson, sign Ryan Tannehill for me, and the Jags win 9 games easy.

Trevor is not in that bad of a situation in Jax. He doesn't need y'all defending him this hard. He is a good QB, Trevor knows this year he needs to show he can make the Jags actual contenders.

9 games with Ryan Tannehill.

Sheesh.

Maybe sit the next few plays out champ.

Not just with Tannehill…but easy.

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but the fact remains that without Trevor, this is a bottom 3-5 team.

You give me this Jags roster, give me Doug Pederson, sign Ryan Tannehill for me, and the Jags win 9 games easy.

Trevor is not in that bad of a situation in Jax. He doesn't need y'all defending him this hard. He is a good QB, Trevor knows this year he needs to show he can make the Jags actual contenders.

LOL

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Well, he has a head coach with 2 Super Bowl rings. That coach has proven he knows how to win in this league. He has won with a lot worse talent at QB. I also do see a pretty good roster around Trevor. The "franchise QB" has to take the team to that next level. It's year 4 now, and results are needed at this point.

I get what you are saying about Trevor just scratching the surface, but I don't think the picture is as bleak around him as you imply.

I do think the future is bright for the Jags, but it's time for Trevor to show he is a "franchise QB" and not just have people calling him one.

Are you aware of what happened with our offensive line last year?  We had 120 running plays that went for zero or negative yardage.  That was 2nd worst in the league.  That forced us into throwing the ball on 3rd and 2.  And it also forced us into 2nd and 12 or 3rd and 12 on a regular basis.  And it meant we couldn't run the ball into the end zone even if we had first and goal on the 4 yard line.  That crippled our offense.  There's no way a QB is going to look great when that kind of stuff is happening.  

I remember the last game of the season, with the division title on the line, we had 4th and goal on the 1 yard line, and Trevor tried to reach the ball over the goal line, and he failed because our center got pancaked right into him.  Literally pancaked.  That play was so bad it was crazy.  Fortunately, we've now replaced that guy.  

I don't think fans around the country understand this.  And there's no reason they should.  But nonetheless, that was the situation.  Then throw in a series of critical injuries in the last half of the season, and we collapsed.  But if you watch Trevor play, if you know what he went through with Urban Meyer, and how he handled it, and how he handles everything around him, you can see that if we can just build a decent team around him, he'll be great.

Bingo

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You give me this Jags roster, give me Doug Pederson, sign Ryan Tannehill for me, and the Jags win 9 games easy.

Trevor is not in that bad of a situation in Jax. He doesn't need y'all defending him this hard. He is a good QB, Trevor knows this year he needs to show he can make the Jags actual contenders.

9 games with Ryan Tannehill.

Sheesh.

Yes, I obviously feel the Jags roster and coaching staff are superior to what you feel they are.

I'm not saying the Jags should get rid of Lawrence and sign Ryan Tannehill. I am saying there are lesser QBs that could get them to 9 wins.

Franchise QBs make good teams be actual contenders for winning it all every year. Again, it's time for Trevor to show he is a franchise QB.

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9 games with Ryan Tannehill.

Sheesh.

Yes, I obviously feel the Jags roster and coaching staff are superior to what you feel they are.

I'm not saying the Jags should get rid of Lawrence and sign Ryan Tannehill. I am saying there are lesser QBs that could get them to 9 wins.

Franchise QBs make good teams be actual contenders for winning it all every year. Again, it's time for Trevor to show he is a franchise QB.

You're full of [BLEEP]. Lawrence showed he's a franchise QB by taking the worst team in the League to a division title in 3/4 of a season.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

but the fact remains that without Trevor, this is a bottom 3-5 team.

You give me this Jags roster, give me Doug Pederson, sign Ryan Tannehill for me, and the Jags win 9 games easy.

Trevor is not in that bad of a situation in Jax. He doesn't need y'all defending him this hard. He is a good QB, Trevor knows this year he needs to show he can make the Jags actual contenders.

It's not so much that we're defending him.  It's more that we are trying to help you understand a little more about this subject.  I've heard lots of people with the "30,000-foot view" of things, who don't watch every game and don't follow the team avidly on a daily basis.  Those people, perhaps you are one of them, rely on statistics like win-loss record, passer rating, touchdowns, etc., and those statistics are all readily available, and easy to understand, and it's all you have, because you are not a Jaguar fan who follows the team closely.  I don't blame you for that.  

What you really ought to look at for starters is, do the people around the team, the fans who follow the team closely, approve of this deal?  And the answer is a resounding yes. That should tell you something.  And the second thing you should look at is, why do the people who follow the team closely approve of this deal?  That's what we're trying to explain here.  You call it "defending Trevor."  I call it "helping you understand better what we are discussing here."  And shouldn't that really be the point of this conversation?

To your point about Ryan Tannehill.  Put him on this team last year, a team that couldn't run the ball effectively and couldn't stop the run effectively, then take away his best WR, then give him a high ankle sprain, a throwing shoulder injury, a concussion, and a knee bruise, and see if he gets you 9 wins.  I doubt it.

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Everyone needs to relax.

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Everyone needs to relax.

Do I not seem relaxed?  I feel pretty damn good.

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You give me this Jags roster, give me Doug Pederson, sign Ryan Tannehill for me, and the Jags win 9 games easy.

Trevor is not in that bad of a situation in Jax. He doesn't need y'all defending him this hard. He is a good QB, Trevor knows this year he needs to show he can make the Jags actual contenders.

and those statistics are all readily available, and easy to understand, and it's all you have.

What you really ought to look at for starters is, do the people around the team, the fans who follow the team closely, approve of this deal? 

First, you don't know me at all, or know what I "have", or how many Jaguar games I have watched over the last 3 years with Trevor at QB. I don't just go off stats for my opinion of a QB. I have stated several times now that Trevor Lawrence is a very good QB with a lot of talent. Because I don't rank him among the top 10 QBs in the league, does not mean I think he sucks, or never saw him play. I also don't think Dak Prescott, Brock Purdy, and Jared Goff suck, and they don't make my top 10 either.

And please show me where I said Trevor doesn't deserve the deal he got. I actually said the exact opposite of that. I also don't look closely at or really care about what "fans" who follow the team say or think about the deal. I certainly don't base my personal opinions of players off what fans think.

And no, the Jags are not my fav team in the NFL, but I have have followed the Jags closely since 1995. I consider them my fav AFC team. And yes, I have watched more complete Jaguar games than any other team in the AFC.

I didn't choose a Jaguars board to stop at for my health. Why you think I put up with getting harassed here, having my account suspended, and keep coming back?

Maybe I follow the Jags more closely than you led yourself to believe.

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and those statistics are all readily available, and easy to understand, and it's all you have.

What you really ought to look at for starters is, do the people around the team, the fans who follow the team closely, approve of this deal? 

 Why you think I put up with getting harassed here, having my account suspended, and keep coming back?

What a question.  I assume it's because you enjoy interacting with us.

Seriously, if you think Ryan Tannehill would get this team 9 wins, that tells me you don't follow this team very closely at all.

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but the fact remains that without Trevor, this is a bottom 3-5 team.

You give me this Jags roster, give me Doug Pederson, sign Ryan Tannehill for me, and the Jags win 9 games easy.

Trevor is not in that bad of a situation in Jax. He doesn't need y'all defending him this hard. He is a good QB, Trevor knows this year he needs to show he can make the Jags actual contenders.

Good QB with much untapped potential. I doubt Tannehill on this team last year could win 9 but even if you assume he could, that would be if everything went right for him. Lawrence’s upside is he’ll be among the top 2 or 3 QBs in the league.

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you. 
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You give me this Jags roster, give me Doug Pederson, sign Ryan Tannehill for me, and the Jags win 9 games easy.

Trevor is not in that bad of a situation in Jax. He doesn't need y'all defending him this hard. He is a good QB, Trevor knows this year he needs to show he can make the Jags actual contenders.

Good QB with much untapped potential. I doubt Tannehill on this team last year could win 9 but even if you assume he could, that would be if everything went right for him. Lawrence’s upside is he’ll be among the top 2 or 3 QBs in the league.

I am talking about the current Jags roster and coaching staff, which I do have more confidence in than some here.

I am saying that this team is good enough to have a winning record with a QB lesser than Lawrence. Ok, you think Tannehill sucks? Then we will go with Carson Wentz. The point is that it's time for this team to become better than just playoff contenders. How 'bout World Championship contenders. With a quality coaching staff, a good roster, and a "franchise" QB, just a 9 win season would be a failure in my opinion

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Good QB with much untapped potential. I doubt Tannehill on this team last year could win 9 but even if you assume he could, that would be if everything went right for him. Lawrence’s upside is he’ll be among the top 2 or 3 QBs in the league.

I am talking about the current Jags roster and coaching staff, which I do have more confidence in than some here.

I am saying that this team is good enough to have a  winning record with a QB lesser than Lawrence. Ok, you think Tannehill sucks? Then we will go with Carson Wentz. The point is that it's time for this team to become better than just playoff contenders. How bout World Championship contenders. With a quality coaching staff, a good roster, and a "franchise" QB, a 9 win season would be a failure in my opinion

I don't think you know as much about this team as I do.  

If a team has 120 running plays in a season that go for zero or negative yardage, which is second worst in the NFL, how can that team be a World Championship contender?  If a team can't run the ball when they have to and can't stop the run when they have to, how is that a World Championship contender?  Tell me.

In an earlier post, you asked the question, "Why you think I put up with getting harassed here, having my account suspended, and keep coming back?"  I don't know.  You tell me.  

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Good QB with much untapped potential. I doubt Tannehill on this team last year could win 9 but even if you assume he could, that would be if everything went right for him. Lawrence’s upside is he’ll be among the top 2 or 3 QBs in the league.

I am talking about the current Jags roster and coaching staff, which I do have more confidence in than some here.

I am saying that this team is good enough to have a  winning record with a QB lesser than Lawrence. Ok, you think Tannehill sucks? Then we will go with Carson Wentz. The point is that it's time for this team to become better than just playoff contenders. How 'bout World Championship contenders. With a quality coaching staff, a good roster, and a "franchise" QB, just a 9 win season would be a failure in my opinion

After 30 something career posts on this board since April 2024 it is clear to me what your opinion will always be on any subject you decide to address. It will be what can I say that is negative, the most decisive and cause the most grief. How can I do that and have the ability to deny I am doing it? Enjoy.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.