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(06-17-2024, 04:32 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(06-17-2024, 04:08 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: Are you saying that he's a zombie?

No, a Cranberry.

Eh, eh, eh, oh, oh, oh.
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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."
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(This post was last modified: 06-17-2024, 04:43 PM by Caldrac. Edited 1 time in total.)

This is how Mikesez sing's the "Eh, eh, oh, oh" part.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc8o2iTXAWE
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(06-17-2024, 04:42 PM)Caldrac Wrote: This is how Mikesez sing's the "Eh, eh, oh, oh" part.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc8o2iTXAWE

Could you tell me what Trump did on January 6 and why it's OK?
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(06-17-2024, 05:45 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(06-17-2024, 04:42 PM)Caldrac Wrote: This is how Mikesez sing's the "Eh, eh, oh, oh" part.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc8o2iTXAWE

Could you tell me what Trump did on January 6 and why it's OK?

He was probably eating a Big Mac and on his burner account trolling Pelosi and her husband or something like that more than likely.
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All of you so far have either replied sarcastically or tried unsuccessfully to compare what he did to what a Democrat did.

Weak sauce. You know what he did was very wrong you just don't care.
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(06-17-2024, 07:35 PM)mikesez Wrote: All of you so far have either replied sarcastically or tried unsuccessfully to compare what he did to what a Democrat did.

Weak sauce.  You know what he did was very wrong you just don't care.

I think you should write your local Congressman..
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(06-17-2024, 07:41 PM)WingerDinger Wrote:
(06-17-2024, 07:35 PM)mikesez Wrote: All of you so far have either replied sarcastically or tried unsuccessfully to compare what he did to what a Democrat did.

Weak sauce.  You know what he did was very wrong you just don't care.

I think you should write your local Congressman..

I saw the dude two weeks ago.  You think Biden has a 1000 yard stare you should have seen him...
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(06-17-2024, 08:04 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(06-17-2024, 07:41 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: I think you should write your local Congressman..

I saw the dude two weeks ago.  You think Biden has a 1000 yard stare you should have seen him...

Doesn't that tell you to stop voting for these veggies?
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(06-17-2024, 08:08 PM)WingerDinger Wrote:
(06-17-2024, 08:04 PM)mikesez Wrote: I saw the dude two weeks ago.  You think Biden has a 1000 yard stare you should have seen him...

Doesn't that tell you to stop voting for these veggies?

Three men qualified for the primary.  

There was Sabatini, the youngest, who has served in the state legislature.  Sabatini tried to stage a protest at Disney Springs intending to block their parking garages and blamed the Baltimore bridge collapse on DEI. He was able to raise a lot of money and bought a lot of billboards. Insisted he was the MAGA, Trump candidate.

Then there was a guy who was a bit older, retired military, liked everything I saw about him, but absolutely no one was funding him.  His name is McCloy.  Dude begged me for money on LinkedIn.  LinkedIn!

The you have the incumbent, Webster.  Webster was a good representative in his time and he has a major road named after him down here.  

Trump endorsed Webster and Sabatini dropped out.  

What should I do?
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(06-17-2024, 07:35 PM)mikesez Wrote: All of you so far have either replied sarcastically or tried unsuccessfully to compare what he did to what a Democrat did.

Weak sauce.  You know what he did was very wrong you just don't care.

No. We have all wasted our time telling you why your conclusion is wrong, while you plug your ears and sing along to the Cranberries. You start with "what he did was very wrong," and "you just don't care" about anything else.
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(06-17-2024, 07:35 PM)mikesez Wrote: All of you so far have either replied sarcastically or tried unsuccessfully to compare what he did to what a Democrat did.

Weak sauce.  You know what he did was very wrong you just don't care.

Did you have to, did you have to let it linger?
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(06-18-2024, 03:09 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:
(06-17-2024, 07:35 PM)mikesez Wrote: All of you so far have either replied sarcastically or tried unsuccessfully to compare what he did to what a Democrat did.

Weak sauce.  You know what he did was very wrong you just don't care.

No. We have all wasted our time telling you why your conclusion is wrong, while you plug your ears and sing along to the Cranberries. You start with "what he did was very wrong," and "you just don't care" about anything else.

Tell me what he did was not wrong.

Would it be A-OK if Biden did something similar on January 6, 2025?
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(This post was last modified: 06-18-2024, 06:21 PM by WingerDinger. Edited 1 time in total.)

(06-18-2024, 06:17 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(06-18-2024, 03:09 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: No. We have all wasted our time telling you why your conclusion is wrong, while you plug your ears and sing along to the Cranberries. You start with "what he did was very wrong," and "you just don't care" about anything else.

Tell me what he did was not wrong.

Would it be A-OK if Biden did something similar on January 6, 2025?

O'Briben did worse.. Trump did nothing wrong, as opposed to your boy in office.
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(This post was last modified: 06-18-2024, 08:15 PM by mikesez. Edited 1 time in total.)

(06-18-2024, 06:20 PM)WingerDinger Wrote:
(06-18-2024, 06:17 PM)mikesez Wrote: Tell me what he did was not wrong.

Would it be A-OK if Biden did something similar on January 6, 2025?

O'Briben did worse.. Trump did nothing wrong, as opposed to your boy in office.

What's worse than trying to use a violent mob to try to stay in office after losing an election?
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(06-16-2024, 09:10 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(06-16-2024, 08:47 AM)Sneakers Wrote: I have no idea what the point was, and I doubt even Trump had any specific reason.  In his mind the election was "stolen", probably in part because his ego couldn't acknowledge a loss.  Maybe he was anticipating a 2024 campaign and wanted to maintain his image as the presumptive nominee.  Are there any politicians who don't love getting in front of a crowd whenever the opportunity presents itself?

If you want to assume the actual end result was the direct intent of the organizer, what are we to assume about the BLM rallies in Minneapolis and Fergusen? 

The rally itself is not a smoking gun.

I'll play that game.
Name a person who instigated/started any dangerous riot in Minneapolis or Ferguson.
Name the government building and government function their unlawful riot disrupted.

(06-16-2024, 09:06 AM)Sneakers Wrote: Disqualifying for your vote is fine, but not for the right to seek and hold office.

It wasn't leadership, it was a complete absence thereof.  He sat in the White House (presumably watching the event on TV, or at least briefed on it) like a petulant child, however Capital security was not his responsibility.  Pelosi's failure before and during the event was abysmal. 

The "moment" to which you refer is far more critical in your mind, than it was in reality.

Nah dude.  
  • "The President is commander in chief of the army and Navy if the United States and of the militia of the several states, when called into actual service of the United States".
I don't see anything in there about Congress being in charge of its own security.
Also, even if they were, it was Trump's mob.  They went out when he sent them and didn't go home until he told them to. Even if I forgive him for sending the mob, even if I give him the benefit of the doubt "Trump didn't realize they would get violent," I don't see a way to excuse how he waited three hours before telling them to go home.

The actual identity of the organizers of those events is irrelevant.  The point is that any rally/protest may be formed with only the best intentions, only to have the event erupt into violence through the actions of others.  Does that automatically make the original organizer culpable or part of a conspiracy?  That's the standard you're holding Trump to.

A disrupted government function?  What planet were you living on?  Here's a thousand words.

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I don't excuse the delay in telling them to go home.  As previously stated, it was terrible leadership, but that is NOT a criminal offense.
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(06-17-2024, 03:56 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(06-17-2024, 02:40 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: You're admitting to starting with the conclusion, which should explain to you why you have to move the goal posts. Just admit you accept a different standard for Trump than you do anyone else.

It's not really Trump.  It's the severity of what he did. 

A constitution (any constitution) is most essentially the document or unwritten rules that say (1) who is in charge and (2) who will be in charge after that.

I judge people by how they uphold the constitution.
The Democrats do a poor job with certain aspects of our constitution, and Republicans have had their weak points as well.  They all do things that our founders didn't want done, but are perfectly normal in other countries.

But Trump failed in the one aspect that our constitution shares with every other constitution.  He failed to pass power predictably.  All along I suspected Trump would do exactly this.  You could say some of my posts from 2015 to 2020 were hyperbole or even delusion. Until January 6, that is, because January 6 validated all of it. 

Any excuse you could give, any comparison you could make, will miss the mark because of how January 6 strikes at the essential nature of what a constitution is.  It's more comparable to a coup, not a riot.

You do know that "passage of power" is a just rhetorical phrase, right?  The outgoing President doesn't actually hand over keys to the White House.  Trump didn't have Air Force 1 hidden in his garage, did he?
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(06-18-2024, 07:34 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(06-18-2024, 06:20 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: O'Briben did worse.. Trump did nothing wrong, as opposed to your boy in office.

What's worse than trying to use a violent mob to try to stay in office after losing an election?

That would be horrible if that ever happened.
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(06-18-2024, 09:19 PM)Sneakers Wrote:
(06-17-2024, 03:56 PM)mikesez Wrote: It's not really Trump.  It's the severity of what he did. 

A constitution (any constitution) is most essentially the document or unwritten rules that say (1) who is in charge and (2) who will be in charge after that.

I judge people by how they uphold the constitution.
The Democrats do a poor job with certain aspects of our constitution, and Republicans have had their weak points as well.  They all do things that our founders didn't want done, but are perfectly normal in other countries.

But Trump failed in the one aspect that our constitution shares with every other constitution.  He failed to pass power predictably.  All along I suspected Trump would do exactly this.  You could say some of my posts from 2015 to 2020 were hyperbole or even delusion. Until January 6, that is, because January 6 validated all of it. 

Any excuse you could give, any comparison you could make, will miss the mark because of how January 6 strikes at the essential nature of what a constitution is.  It's more comparable to a coup, not a riot.

You do know that "passage of power" is a just rhetorical phrase, right?  The outgoing President doesn't actually hand over keys to the White House.  Trump didn't have Air Force 1 hidden in his garage, did he?

Technically AF1 is the designation of any plane occupied by the President, so Trump's private plane has been AF1 since January 20, 2021.
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Winger and FSG are showing that the only logically coherent excuse for Trump's behavior on January 6 is the sincere belief that he actually won more votes in the election and that the election was stolen from himm

If you don't believe that you have no reason to excuse his actions and should in fact be horrified by them.
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(06-18-2024, 09:01 PM)Sneakers Wrote:
(06-16-2024, 09:10 AM)mikesez Wrote: I'll play that game.
Name a person who instigated/started any dangerous riot in Minneapolis or Ferguson.
Name the government building and government function their unlawful riot disrupted.


Nah dude.  
  • "The President is commander in chief of the army and Navy if the United States and of the militia of the several states, when called into actual service of the United States".
I don't see anything in there about Congress being in charge of its own security.
Also, even if they were, it was Trump's mob.  They went out when he sent them and didn't go home until he told them to. Even if I forgive him for sending the mob, even if I give him the benefit of the doubt "Trump didn't realize they would get violent," I don't see a way to excuse how he waited three hours before telling them to go home.

The actual identity of the organizers of those events is irrelevant.  The point is that any rally/protest may be formed with only the best intentions, only to have the event erupt into violence through the actions of others.  Does that automatically make the original organizer culpable or part of a conspiracy?  That's the standard you're holding Trump to.

A disrupted government function?  What planet were you living on?  Here's a thousand words.

[Image: OIP.DWmhww1_BEUe6iM0Q3ZJwgAAAA?rs=1&pid=ImgDetMain]

I don't excuse the delay in telling them to go home.  As previously stated, it was terrible leadership, but that is NOT a criminal offense.

You're smarter than this.
The street protest in the picture may have been instigated by people who had no intention of destroying a police car.  Or maybe they did.  

Key differences:

1) Trump obviously wanted to change the vote in Congress or, failing that, prevent Congress from voting. The delay, which you admit was wrong of him, reveals his motives.

2) Which government function is more important, the safe operation of a police car, or the official counting of electoral votes?
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