https://youtu.be/bovrsAl-mRQ?si=4bG6ropPaFuxjfd7

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I think it's was the one 1-2 combo of the fumble and the Hill play. They're punch drunk from that point forward.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I think it's was the one 1-2 combo of the fumble and the Hill play. They're punch drunk from that point forward.

Yeah, that's pretty much the gist of it.

Remember when right after the ETN fumble, the camera panned over the Jaguars sidelines.  The entire team looked completely shell shocked.  They all had a 1,000 yard stare.  And the coaches were just nowhere to be seen, or just sitting/standing around.  That was the moment, in my opinion where the coaches should have been jumping up and down with their hair on fire and getting them hyped up to finish the game.  Instead, the entire sideline was like a graveyard, to extend the prior metaphor I was using.

That fumble was nothing major, to a well coached team.  We were still ahead and dominating.  And then, like you said.  Miami went for the jugular and the Jags D was still in the middle of a cardiac arrest.  I think that game is when Doug lost the team.

Baalke [BLEEP] Doug.  But Doug [BLEEP] the team.  They both have to go.  I don't care anymore who's more to blame.  But they both have to go at this point.  Unless Doug can miraculously can turn this thing around, maybe I'd give him another year?  But only he he get's rid of Press and brings in an outside OC that comes from a Shannahan, McVay, LeFluer, etc coaching tree.  We need someone that can really develop Trevor and also knows how to make the best out of the players he has.  Oh, and the O-Line coach also has to go.

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I think it's was the one 1-2 combo of the fumble and the Hill play. They're punch drunk from that point forward.

Yeah, that's pretty much the gist of it.

Remember when right after the ETN fumble, the camera panned over the Jaguars sidelines.  The entire team looked completely shell shocked.  They all had a 1,000 yard stare.  And the coaches were just nowhere to be seen, or just sitting/standing around.  That was the moment, in my opinion where the coaches should have been jumping up and down with their hair on fire and getting them hyped up to finish the game.  Instead, the entire sideline was like a graveyard, to extend the prior metaphor I was using.

That fumble was nothing major, to a well coached team.  We were still ahead and dominating.  And then, like you said.  Miami went for the jugular and the Jags D was still in the middle of a cardiac arrest.  I think that game is when Doug lost the team.

Baalke [BLEEP] Doug.  But Doug [BLEEP] the team.  They both have to go.  I don't care anymore who's more to blame.  But they both have to go at this point.  Unless Doug can miraculously can turn this thing around, maybe I'd give him another year?  But only he he get's rid of Press and brings in an outside OC that comes from a Shannahan, McVay, LeFluer, etc coaching tree.  We need someone that can really develop Trevor and also knows how to make the best out of the players he has.  Oh, and the O-Line coach also has to go.

The players should be initiating this on the sidelines because when you see something like that on another team that is actually good, they have their leaders on the sideline trying to inspire the troops.

Regardless, this team is devoid of all forms of leadership from the coaching staff down to the players. Imagine that 2007 Jags defense or the 2017 defense that still backed Bortles no matter what. I distinctly remember that defense telling Bortles and our offense not to worry about a turnover and that the defense would get them the ball back.

This team lacks that on both sides of the ball. We're a neutered team that plays anemic football - especially on offense.

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Yeah, that's pretty much the gist of it.

Remember when right after the ETN fumble, the camera panned over the Jaguars sidelines.  The entire team looked completely shell shocked.  They all had a 1,000 yard stare.  And the coaches were just nowhere to be seen, or just sitting/standing around.  That was the moment, in my opinion where the coaches should have been jumping up and down with their hair on fire and getting them hyped up to finish the game.  Instead, the entire sideline was like a graveyard, to extend the prior metaphor I was using.

That fumble was nothing major, to a well coached team.  We were still ahead and dominating.  And then, like you said.  Miami went for the jugular and the Jags D was still in the middle of a cardiac arrest.  I think that game is when Doug lost the team.

Baalke [BLEEP] Doug.  But Doug [BLEEP] the team.  They both have to go.  I don't care anymore who's more to blame.  But they both have to go at this point.  Unless Doug can miraculously can turn this thing around, maybe I'd give him another year?  But only he he get's rid of Press and brings in an outside OC that comes from a Shannahan, McVay, LeFluer, etc coaching tree.  We need someone that can really develop Trevor and also knows how to make the best out of the players he has.  Oh, and the O-Line coach also has to go.

The players should be initiating this on the sidelines because when you see something like that on another team that is actually good, they have their leaders on the sideline trying to inspire the troops.

Regardless, this team is devoid of all forms of leadership from the coaching staff down to the players. Imagine that 2007 Jags defense or the 2017 defense that still backed Bortles no matter what. I distinctly remember that defense telling Bortles and our offense not to worry about a turnover and that the defense would get them the ball back.

This team lacks that on both sides of the ball. We're a neutered team that plays anemic football - especially on offense.

That was the issue last year. They kept waiting for something or someone to to stop the slide instead. Josh Hines Allen said something to that effect.

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Yeah, that's pretty much the gist of it.

Remember when right after the ETN fumble, the camera panned over the Jaguars sidelines.  The entire team looked completely shell shocked.  They all had a 1,000 yard stare.  And the coaches were just nowhere to be seen, or just sitting/standing around.  That was the moment, in my opinion where the coaches should have been jumping up and down with their hair on fire and getting them hyped up to finish the game.  Instead, the entire sideline was like a graveyard, to extend the prior metaphor I was using.

That fumble was nothing major, to a well coached team.  We were still ahead and dominating.  And then, like you said.  Miami went for the jugular and the Jags D was still in the middle of a cardiac arrest.  I think that game is when Doug lost the team.

Baalke [BLEEP] Doug.  But Doug [BLEEP] the team.  They both have to go.  I don't care anymore who's more to blame.  But they both have to go at this point.  Unless Doug can miraculously can turn this thing around, maybe I'd give him another year?  But only he he get's rid of Press and brings in an outside OC that comes from a Shannahan, McVay, LeFluer, etc coaching tree.  We need someone that can really develop Trevor and also knows how to make the best out of the players he has.  Oh, and the O-Line coach also has to go.

The players should be initiating this on the sidelines because when you see something like that on another team that is actually good, they have their leaders on the sideline trying to inspire the troops.

Regardless, this team is devoid of all forms of leadership from the coaching staff down to the players. Imagine that 2007 Jags defense or the 2017 defense that still backed Bortles no matter what. I distinctly remember that defense telling Bortles and our offense not to worry about a turnover and that the defense would get them the ball back.

This team lacks that on both sides of the ball. We're a neutered team that plays anemic football - especially on offense.

Yeah, I'm not going to argue that too much.  I'd just say this...  If you have a coaching staff that it so checked out, it's hard for players to get hyped up.  These dudes are millionaires.  They have money.  If the coaches can't get them to buy in on the team, then what do they care if the game is lost?

You watch Doug's press conferences since January 2024, and you think that guy is a leader of men?  Naw.  He's just collecting his final paycheck.

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Yeah, that's pretty much the gist of it.

Remember when right after the ETN fumble, the camera panned over the Jaguars sidelines.  The entire team looked completely shell shocked.  They all had a 1,000 yard stare.  And the coaches were just nowhere to be seen, or just sitting/standing around.  That was the moment, in my opinion where the coaches should have been jumping up and down with their hair on fire and getting them hyped up to finish the game.  Instead, the entire sideline was like a graveyard, to extend the prior metaphor I was using.

That fumble was nothing major, to a well coached team.  We were still ahead and dominating.  And then, like you said.  Miami went for the jugular and the Jags D was still in the middle of a cardiac arrest.  I think that game is when Doug lost the team.

Baalke [BLEEP] Doug.  But Doug [BLEEP] the team.  They both have to go.  I don't care anymore who's more to blame.  But they both have to go at this point.  Unless Doug can miraculously can turn this thing around, maybe I'd give him another year?  But only he he get's rid of Press and brings in an outside OC that comes from a Shannahan, McVay, LeFluer, etc coaching tree.  We need someone that can really develop Trevor and also knows how to make the best out of the players he has.  Oh, and the O-Line coach also has to go.

The players should be initiating this on the sidelines because when you see something like that on another team that is actually good, they have their leaders on the sideline trying to inspire the troops.

Regardless, this team is devoid of all forms of leadership from the coaching staff down to the players. Imagine that 2007 Jags defense or the 2017 defense that still backed Bortles no matter what. I distinctly remember that defense telling Bortles and our offense not to worry about a turnover and that the defense would get them the ball back.

This team lacks that on both sides of the ball. We're a neutered team that plays anemic football - especially on offense.

Yeah, I'm not going to argue that too much.  I'd just say this...  If you have a coaching staff that it so checked out, it's hard for players to get hyped up.  These dudes are millionaires.  They have money.  If the coaches can't get them to buy in on the team, then what do they care if the game is lost?

You watch Doug's press conferences since January 2024, and you think that guy is a leader of men?  Naw.  He's just collecting his final paycheck.

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Silly Jag88, thinking Press looks anything like an offensive coordinator.

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...but is this a problem of Baalke just being stubborn and taking the guys he wants, Doug being poor at articulating the types of players he needs to fully operate his system, or either or both just having no idea what they really envision out of the team?

The drafts are just as disjointed as our on-field performance seems to be. There is no harmony, no philosophy, no purpose. Just assemble 53 guys, hope it works out.

How do you know Baalke is just taking the guys he wants?  You don't, you are making that up.  Baalke and Doug have both said they get together on draft as well as all the coaches and it's collaborative when making picks and bringing guys in.

Do you not see the [BLEEP] question mark at the end of my statement? You are worse than a fool, you're a damn fool.

Nowhere did I say any of my ponderings are fact. It's making the bloody point that we have no clue what goes on in the interaction between Doug, Shad, Baalke, or anyone else they see fit to include in significant decisions. The truth of the matter and the only stinking thing I asserted was that our drafts are just as disorganized as our onfield performance.

Do you believe everything that is spoken into a microphone? These guys may be collaborating, but that doesn't mean that they are always in harmony. It doesn't mean that one isn't giving the other what they need to do their job well. [BLEEP] is broken right now, and we certainly need to figure out where the problem lies so that we can fix it. Your guess (SWIDT?) is as good as mine as to the cause. So I pose the question to you. Our boys are on record that they get together on darft day and collaborate when bringing guys in...then why are we seeing the same holes in the roster, missing or overdrafting guys, or lacking a true identity on either side of the ball? Why aren't we seeing improvement?

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Just going to be honest here.. I love this team to death. Been a fan since day 1, never a full STH, but used to purchase the 3-4 game packages, purchased jerseys and all the swag like the rest of you..

But now I'm at the point where I don't even care if they ever do move this team out of town. Just tired of caring about a team that doesn't care about it's fans. I'll never abandon them, but it sure feels like they abandon us, every season.

I won't say they don't care about fans.  I just think they don't know how to build a team and run it well. It shouldn't be this hard, but dang if they don't make it look nigh impossible.

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Old post from an Eagles fan

https://www.reddit.com/r/Jaguars/s/QyRSLnGlAI

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Great balls of fire

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Old post from an Eagles fan

https://www.reddit.com/r/Jaguars/s/QyRSLnGlAI

Eerie…


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Fix the O-Line!

Old post from an Eagles fan

https://www.reddit.com/r/Jaguars/s/QyRSLnGlAI

It's like I'm reading into a mirror.

Seriously, this guy, this isn't my kind of guy.  

Caldrac made a blame pie.

Here's mine:

Khan: 20%
Baalke: 40%
Pederson: 40%
     (Within Pederson's 40%, 90% of it is his loyalty to his offensive coaches, the other 10% is his complete lack of passion over the last season and a half)

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Old post from an Eagles fan

https://www.reddit.com/r/Jaguars/s/QyRSLnGlAI

It's like I'm reading into a mirror.

Seriously, this guy, this isn't my kind of guy.  

Caldrac made a blame pie.

Here's mine:

Khan: 20%
Baalke: 40%
Pederson: 40%
     (Within Pederson's 40%, 90% of it is his loyalty to his offensive coaches, the other 10% is his complete lack of passion over the last season and a half)

You have a very immature belief about passion.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I don't know. Trying to remain objectively here with my views. Again, plenty of blame to go around. I know we keep pointing the blame at the offensive line, the drops, etc. I just don't know. I still think, again, you have to start from the top, work your way inside out.

Baalke has to be the first one gutted like a fish. I think you then have to sit down with Doug and his staff, along with Trevor in the same room, and hash out what they all think collectively needs to be done, before you decide to move on from this staff.

There's still fourteen games left. I think if they manage to get another 8, 9 wins, and, they barely miss or make the post season, that's a testament to some extent of what these guys are capable of. I think by then, you have to look at Baalke being the weakest link. The primary reason this team cannot get out of it's own way.

He's the only real leftover from the past mistakes and failures from the last regime that blundered quite a few things at this team's disposal. I think I already said what I would do if I were Khan at the end of the year.

1. Fire Baalke.

2. Fire Rauscher.

3. Hash out the offensive issues with Doug, Press and Lawrence.

4. Hire a new VP of Football Operations, giving him the reigns of whatever it is he wants to do, which may or may not include keeping Doug and his staff around.

5. Go from there, you're locked in with Lawrence for five years, you're locked in with guys like Hines-Allen, Tyson Campbell, you just drafted Brian Thomas Jr, these are guys you have to lean on with the next front office.

That's it really. But, again, it has to start with the biggest faults on the team, and that's none other than Baalke and Rauscher. Because we keep seeing the same issues cropping up over and over again. There's nowhere else to point the finger at, outside of, Baalke failing to identify and select the best offensive lineman for this team and/or, Rauscher, failing miserably at building and coaching up an adequate unit. Baalke can argue he drafted Little in RD2, Fortner in RD3 & Harrison in RD1.

All in that order. He can scapegoat and say the staff failed in developing the guys they agreed upon with me selecting at the time in the war room. So, there's going to be some of that in my opinion. We'll see. That's why I say you show him and Rauscher the door. You then move onto Doug about the offense, Lawrence's development and Press' role in this staff and the grand scheme of things. If you keep Doug? There's a short leash on Taylor if he's the OC, you give it maybe four to six weeks, if the offense stalls again in 2025?

Doug needs to take the reigns over and Press can go back to doing something else in the offense.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Fire everyone? Now? 3 games into the season? Someone's knee jerked so hard it knocked them senseless. The work still needs to be done as we have14 games to go. Replace with who? The only people available now are those the other 31 teams declined to hire. Kind of impetuous no? Our team is set for this season, just like Kahn we are along for the ride. That is the emotion that was seen after the Buffalo game. They need to make the best out of what they have. After all it is a direct reflection on them and their careers.

One thing that has been a nagging me since we let the DC go last years was one of the outbound coaches remarked "the evil remains" or something like that.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

I don't know. Trying to remain objectively here with my views. Again, plenty of blame to go around. I know we keep pointing the blame at the offensive line, the drops, etc. I just don't know. I still think, again, you have to start from the top, work your way inside out.

Baalke has to be the first one gutted like a fish. I think you then have to sit down with Doug and his staff, along with Trevor in the same room, and hash out what they all think collectively needs to be done, before you decide to move on from this staff.

There's still fourteen games left. I think if they manage to get another 8, 9 wins, and, they barely miss or make the post season, that's a testament to some extent of what these guys are capable of. I think by then, you have to look at Baalke being the weakest link. The primary reason this team cannot get out of it's own way.

He's the only real leftover from the past mistakes and failures from the last regime that blundered quite a few things at this team's disposal. I think I already said what I would do if I were Khan at the end of the year.

1. Fire Baalke.

2. Fire Rauscher.

3. Hash out the offensive issues with Doug, Press and Lawrence.

4. Hire a new VP of Football Operations, giving him the reigns of whatever it is he wants to do, which may or may not include keeping Doug and his staff around.

5. Go from there, you're locked in with Lawrence for five years, you're locked in with guys like Hines-Allen, Tyson Campbell, you just drafted Brian Thomas Jr, these are guys you have to lean on with the next front office.

That's it really. But, again, it has to start with the biggest faults on the team, and that's none other than Baalke and Rauscher. Because we keep seeing the same issues cropping up over and over again. There's nowhere else to point the finger at, outside of, Baalke failing to identify and select the best offensive lineman for this team and/or, Rauscher, failing miserably at building and coaching up an adequate unit. Baalke can argue he drafted Little in RD2, Fortner in RD3 & Harrison in RD1.

All in that order. He can scapegoat and say the staff failed in developing the guys they agreed upon with me selecting at the time in the war room. So, there's going to be some of that in my opinion. We'll see. That's why I say you show him and Rauscher the door. You then move onto Doug about the offense, Lawrence's development and Press' role in this staff and the grand scheme of things. If you keep Doug? There's a short leash on Taylor if he's the OC, you give it maybe four to six weeks, if the offense stalls again in 2025?

Doug needs to take the reigns over and Press can go back to doing something else in the offense.

Agree with points 1-2 and 4-5.

The thing I cant figure out is why we look so inept on the field. We have the same guys from last year for the most part, and even upgraded some spots (Morse over Fortner, Armstead on the D Line. Probly got worse in the secondary partially due to injury and letting Darious walk). I really cant help but think Doug is not preparing these guys adequately. I dont see how the team can regress this badly if its anything other than coaching.

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I don't know. Trying to remain objectively here with my views. Again, plenty of blame to go around. I know we keep pointing the blame at the offensive line, the drops, etc. I just don't know. I still think, again, you have to start from the top, work your way inside out.

Baalke has to be the first one gutted like a fish. I think you then have to sit down with Doug and his staff, along with Trevor in the same room, and hash out what they all think collectively needs to be done, before you decide to move on from this staff.

There's still fourteen games left. I think if they manage to get another 8, 9 wins, and, they barely miss or make the post season, that's a testament to some extent of what these guys are capable of. I think by then, you have to look at Baalke being the weakest link. The primary reason this team cannot get out of it's own way.

He's the only real leftover from the past mistakes and failures from the last regime that blundered quite a few things at this team's disposal. I think I already said what I would do if I were Khan at the end of the year.

1. Fire Baalke.

2. Fire Rauscher.

3. Hash out the offensive issues with Doug, Press and Lawrence.

4. Hire a new VP of Football Operations, giving him the reigns of whatever it is he wants to do, which may or may not include keeping Doug and his staff around.

5. Go from there, you're locked in with Lawrence for five years, you're locked in with guys like Hines-Allen, Tyson Campbell, you just drafted Brian Thomas Jr, these are guys you have to lean on with the next front office.

That's it really. But, again, it has to start with the biggest faults on the team, and that's none other than Baalke and Rauscher. Because we keep seeing the same issues cropping up over and over again. There's nowhere else to point the finger at, outside of, Baalke failing to identify and select the best offensive lineman for this team and/or, Rauscher, failing miserably at building and coaching up an adequate unit. Baalke can argue he drafted Little in RD2, Fortner in RD3 & Harrison in RD1.

All in that order. He can scapegoat and say the staff failed in developing the guys they agreed upon with me selecting at the time in the war room. So, there's going to be some of that in my opinion. We'll see. That's why I say you show him and Rauscher the door. You then move onto Doug about the offense, Lawrence's development and Press' role in this staff and the grand scheme of things. If you keep Doug? There's a short leash on Taylor if he's the OC, you give it maybe four to six weeks, if the offense stalls again in 2025?

Doug needs to take the reigns over and Press can go back to doing something else in the offense.

Agree with points 1-2 and 4-5.

The thing I cant figure out is why we look so inept on the field. We have the same guys from last year for the most part, and even upgraded some spots (Morse over Fortner, Armstead on the D Line. Probly got worse in the secondary partially due to injury and letting Darious walk). I really cant help but think Doug is not preparing these guys adequately. I dont see how the team can regress this badly if its anything other than coaching.

I agree with this.  There's no hashing out anything with Doug.  He's gotta go too.  False starts, having delay of games (or having to waste time-outs to avoid delay of games), the inablility to get the play into quickly, and just the overall lack of any development anywhere on the offense is on Doug.  

I hope we can turn this thing around and look like a competent NFL team again, but if we don't.  Doug and his staff should be gone along with Baalke.  No more half measures.

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Agree with points 1-2 and 4-5.

The thing I cant figure out is why we look so inept on the field. We have the same guys from last year for the most part, and even upgraded some spots (Morse over Fortner, Armstead on the D Line. Probly got worse in the secondary partially due to injury and letting Darious walk). I really cant help but think Doug is not preparing these guys adequately. I dont see how the team can regress this badly if its anything other than coaching.

I agree with this.  There's no hashing out anything with Doug.  He's gotta go too.  False starts, having delay of games (or having to waste time-outs to avoid delay of games), the inablility to get the play into quickly, and just the overall lack of any development anywhere on the offense is on Doug.  

I hope we can turn this thing around and look like a competent NFL team again, but if we don't.  Doug and his staff should be gone along with Baalke.  No more half measures.

Careful what you ask for. That's why I said, that, the best thing to do would be to sit down and listen in as an owner after you get the bag of [BLEEP] out of the building first with Baalke.

Get him out of the building first. Let the building air out a little bit for a few days, then have the following meeting.

You then sit down with Pederson and Lawrence if you're the Khan's, and you try and talk through what's happened over the last three years. And, again, as I cited above. I am STILL hiring a VP of football operations and I am hiring this person with NO STRINGS ATTACHED. That hire will ultimately have final say in what direction this team goes, which may, or may NOT involve Pederson and his staff. 

I just think, as an owner. I would want to hear out my $275M investment at QB's opinion in a room with a head coach that's at least won a Superbowl ONCE, with a unique QB situation to boot, to try and figure out where things are clearly dysfunctional and where I need to see improvement as an owner moving forward. I want the nitty gritty of it once the dust has settled. 

And that's with Baalke out of the way. I think this is fair and reasonable. All of this takes place in January, shortly after New Year's once, I am assuming, the wheels came off completely or the team managed to fall a little short after being competitive enough towards being in the conversation for 4th seed or 7th seed consideration. 

This gives your next hire at VP a chance to ask around, look at the play off teams that are out there, the coaching staff's, etc. Maybe it's Ben Johnson, maybe it's Bobby Slowik, maybe it's even a group of old heads that you're thinking about between Belichick and Carroll. Maybe it's Vrabel. We don't know yet.

But, you at least do yourself a service from an ownership level and you give yourself an opportunity to hear exactly what your headcoach thinks about your quarterback and what your quarterback thinks about your headcoach that you're fixing to move on from potentially.

The last two off seasons were what most of us would have considered as the most important off seasons in franchise history. Because we knew they were going to double down on Lawrence. And we knew that it was absolutely PARAMOUNT that they had enough pieces up front and around him to succeed. Expectations were through the roof. Khan said it himself.

So, a lot of things need to be brought to light, a lot of things need to be aired out, a lot of good needs to come out of some form of reconciliation.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Nearly everything from this point on the video (36:50) is a good summation of how I feel about this coaching staff and this organization as well how the league has changed with regards to def v. off in the last few seasons and definitely since 2017.

It's why they need a hard reset throughout the FO and coaching staff, and some new young blood and ideas on both sides of the ball.



Sorry forgot that the forum doesn't accept the "start at" modifiers for youtube videos. Starts at 36:50.

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I agree with this.  There's no hashing out anything with Doug.  He's gotta go too.  False starts, having delay of games (or having to waste time-outs to avoid delay of games), the inablility to get the play into quickly, and just the overall lack of any development anywhere on the offense is on Doug.  

I hope we can turn this thing around and look like a competent NFL team again, but if we don't.  Doug and his staff should be gone along with Baalke.  No more half measures.

Careful what you ask for. That's why I said, that, the best thing to do would be to sit down and listen in as an owner after you get the bag of [BLEEP] out of the building first with Baalke.

Get him out of the building first. Let the building air out a little bit for a few days, then have the following meeting.

You then sit down with Pederson and Lawrence if you're the Khan's, and you try and talk through what's happened over the last three years. And, again, as I cited above. I am STILL hiring a VP of football operations and I am hiring this person with NO STRINGS ATTACHED. That hire will ultimately have final say in what direction this team goes, which may, or may NOT involve Pederson and his staff. 

I just think, as an owner. I would want to hear out my $275M investment at QB's opinion in a room with a head coach that's at least won a Superbowl ONCE, with a unique QB situation to boot, to try and figure out where things are clearly dysfunctional and where I need to see improvement as an owner moving forward. I want the nitty gritty of it once the dust has settled. 

And that's with Baalke out of the way. I think this is fair and reasonable. All of this takes place in January, shortly after New Year's once, I am assuming, the wheels came off completely or the team managed to fall a little short after being competitive enough towards being in the conversation for 4th seed or 7th seed consideration. 

This gives your next hire at VP a chance to ask around, look at the play off teams that are out there, the coaching staff's, etc. Maybe it's Ben Johnson, maybe it's Bobby Slowik, maybe it's even a group of old heads that you're thinking about between Belichick and Carroll. Maybe it's Vrabel. We don't know yet.

But, you at least do yourself a service from an ownership level and you give yourself an opportunity to hear exactly what your headcoach thinks about your quarterback and what your quarterback thinks about your headcoach that you're fixing to move on from potentially.

The last two off seasons were what most of us would have considered as the most important off seasons in franchise history. Because we knew they were going to double down on Lawrence. And we knew that it was absolutely PARAMOUNT that they had enough pieces up front and around him to succeed. Expectations were through the roof. Khan said it himself.

So, a lot of things need to be brought to light, a lot of things need to be aired out, a lot of good needs to come out of some form of reconciliation.

You made a good point.  If Khan goes this route, I'd want the newly hired VP in on the meeting with Doug and Trevor.  That would be the thing I'd change.  Fire Baalke now, get started on your VP search, hire your VP and then Monday morning after the season is over, call Doug and Trevor into the office for the "interview".

And then go from there.  At this point, I have very little faith in Pederson.  But maybe he can turn things around.  Time will tell.

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