The main issue there are too man deficiencies that Trevor Lawrence has in his game.  You stated yourself with all those number points that he has to be in the right situation to succeed. The great ones do not need everything to be perfect around them to succeed. Lets cut through all the BS and call it like it is.  Trevor Lawrence is a below average player with Elite Player Talent. His career is at a crossroads right now.  He either rises to the occasion or he does not. I would not be saying this if he were playing well and the rest of the team is a trainwreck.  He is just as bad as a trainwreck as the rest of the team currently. You can't have it both ways.  You can't call him "the prince that was promised" meaning he will deliver us a good football team and then say he needs X,Y,Z, 1, 2, 3 to be successful.  I have watched the NFL over 30 years and know good QB's when I see them. Lawrence currently is not it. He has the potential but the NFL has a line miles long of PLayers will Lots of talent but never lived up to it.  If he starts playing better and showing  that potential I will eat my crow and be happy about it.  Let me know when that happens.

*I also do not mean one game.  I know if Trevor has one good 300 yard game the fans are just going to be drooling I told you so comments.  I want to see it over a time frame and consistent like real NFL franchise QB's does.  In his career, his TD and Yards are much lower than the elite QBs.

There have been maybe 20-25 "great ones" that you talk about in the history of the Super Bowl Era. If that is the kind of luck you are waiting on, you will be waiting your entire lifetime. You would be better off rooting for the elite quarterback(s) of every era rather than any single team.

I'm not asking for "great ones" I will take a good QB.   He's not even good.

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QB rankings

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-qb-index-we...ter-top-10

The irony is Minshew is ranked above him.

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Look at this.



The offensive line does their job and there is a really clean pocket

There is a wide receiver running wide open in the route

Lawrence steps up and sails it 3 yards over the receivers head

Cmon man, the excuses are getting old.


https://youtu.be/rxrmmlJ4kxQ?si=VT5-Ym8mAnXrDPY7

Meh

He sailed a ball. He's done that 3 or 4 times this year on 89 attempts. That one happened to be gift wrapped to a safety. There's no excuse for it but it isn't some common mistake he's making these days. 

I'm more worried about him not making more reads before release and his new tendency to leave the pocket instead of navigating pressure within the pocket. 

He's leaving some makable plays out there right now by not getting through his progression or being stubborn about hitting the deepest target. 

He's got to improve, but that play is pretty bad example. It's an outlier.

Really dude?  Are you going to ignore the 5 balls a game he should throw better?  Listen if you want to drink the koolaid that is your business but don't try to make me drink it.  That was one example of many I could show in every game.  Remember the INT he almost threw in Miami right to the defender, How about the other in Cleveland?  He leads the League in Turnovers since he was drafted.  Nuff said!

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There have been maybe 20-25 "great ones" that you talk about in the history of the Super Bowl Era. If that is the kind of luck you are waiting on, you will be waiting your entire lifetime. You would be better off rooting for the elite quarterback(s) of every era rather than any single team.

I'm not asking for "great ones" I will take a good QB.   He's not even good.

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QB rankings

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-qb-index-we...ter-top-10

The irony is Minshew is ranked above him.

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Meh

He sailed a ball. He's done that 3 or 4 times this year on 89 attempts. That one happened to be gift wrapped to a safety. There's no excuse for it but it isn't some common mistake he's making these days. 

I'm more worried about him not making more reads before release and his new tendency to leave the pocket instead of navigating pressure within the pocket. 

He's leaving some makable plays out there right now by not getting through his progression or being stubborn about hitting the deepest target. 

He's got to improve, but that play is pretty bad example. It's an outlier.

Really dude?  Are you going to ignore the 5 balls a game he should throw better?  Listen if you want to drink the koolaid that is your business but don't try to make me drink it.  That was one example of many I could show in every game.  Remember the INT he almost threw in Miami right to the defender, How about the other in Cleveland?  He leads the League in Turnovers since he was drafted.  Nuff said!

I'm just a lot more judicious about what I'm concerned about in his performance than you are. 

I'm not drinking any kool-aid. Maybe you should read my post again. It is a critical post.

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There have been maybe 20-25 "great ones" that you talk about in the history of the Super Bowl Era. If that is the kind of luck you are waiting on, you will be waiting your entire lifetime. You would be better off rooting for the elite quarterback(s) of every era rather than any single team.

I'm not asking for "great ones" I will take a good QB.   He's not even good.

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QB rankings

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-qb-index-we...ter-top-10

The irony is Minshew is ranked above him.

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Meh

He sailed a ball. He's done that 3 or 4 times this year on 89 attempts. That one happened to be gift wrapped to a safety. There's no excuse for it but it isn't some common mistake he's making these days. 

I'm more worried about him not making more reads before release and his new tendency to leave the pocket instead of navigating pressure within the pocket. 

He's leaving some makable plays out there right now by not getting through his progression or being stubborn about hitting the deepest target. 

He's got to improve, but that play is pretty bad example. It's an outlier.

Really dude?  Are you going to ignore the 5 balls a game he should throw better?  Listen if you want to drink the koolaid that is your business but don't try to make me drink it.  That was one example of many I could show in every game.  Remember the INT he almost threw in Miami right to the defender, How about the other in Cleveland?  He leads the League in Turnovers since he was drafted.  Nuff said!

You seem to be conveniently ignoring any good plays he has too. You only show the 1 interception he's had all year, then bring up almost interceptions. Mahomes has 4 this year already. Should we start writing him off?!?

You only focus on the negatives of Trevor. This is what most people are trying to point out. He has his good moments and has bad moments and it's about finding a way that helps him have more good and less bad. It's that simple.

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I'm not asking for "great ones" I will take a good QB.   He's not even good.

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The irony is Minshew is ranked above him.

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Really dude?  Are you going to ignore the 5 balls a game he should throw better?  Listen if you want to drink the koolaid that is your business but don't try to make me drink it.  That was one example of many I could show in every game.  Remember the INT he almost threw in Miami right to the defender, How about the other in Cleveland?  He leads the League in Turnovers since he was drafted.  Nuff said!

You seem to be conveniently ignoring any good plays he has too. You only show the 1 interception he's had all year, then bring up almost interceptions. Mahomes has 4 this year already. Should we start writing him off?!?

You only focus on the negatives of Trevor. This is what most people are trying to point out. He has his good moments and has bad moments and it's about finding a way that helps him have more good and less bad. It's that simple.

Okay, let's focus on the %52.8 completion percentage, the 186.6 yds/gm, and the fact that his offense hasn't scored over 18pts in three games.  It's time to take off the kid gloves, he's in his fourth year, signed a huge contract, and has lost his last 8 starts.

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NYC4jags Wrote:
Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

Look at this.



The offensive line does their job and there is a really clean pocket

There is a wide receiver running wide open in the route

Lawrence steps up and sails it 3 yards over the receivers head

Cmon man, the excuses are getting old.


https://youtu.be/rxrmmlJ4kxQ?si=VT5-Ym8mAnXrDPY7

Meh

He sailed a ball. He's done that 3 or 4 times this year on 89 attempts. That one happened to be gift wrapped to a safety. There's no excuse for it but it isn't some common mistake he's making these days. 

I'm more worried about him not making more reads before release and his new tendency to leave the pocket instead of navigating pressure within the pocket. 

He's leaving some makable plays out there right now by not getting through his progression or being stubborn about hitting the deepest target. 

He's got to improve, but that play is pretty bad example. It's an outlier.

LOL.

Trevor is being failed by his coaching staff.  

It's not an outlier.  This has been a problem since last year.  Even when we were going 8-3, anyone watching other NFL teams could tell there was something wrong with this offense...  

But meh.  No big deal.  It's an outlier.

Imagine having a #1 QB that flashed greatness in 2022, and then watching him slowly decline over the next 2 seasons.  Some folks think it's "Meh" and think it's an "Outlier".  As though he hasn't been doing these things since 2023... 

I sure hope Doug gets back to the basics that made this offense successful 2 seasons ago.  I have my doubts.  But I'm still in hopium mode.

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Meh

He sailed a ball. He's done that 3 or 4 times this year on 89 attempts. That one happened to be gift wrapped to a safety. There's no excuse for it but it isn't some common mistake he's making these days. 

I'm more worried about him not making more reads before release and his new tendency to leave the pocket instead of navigating pressure within the pocket. 

He's leaving some makable plays out there right now by not getting through his progression or being stubborn about hitting the deepest target. 

He's got to improve, but that play is pretty bad example. It's an outlier.

LOL.

Trevor is being failed by his coaching staff.  

It's not an outlier.  This has been a problem since last year.  Even when we were going 8-3, anyone watching other NFL teams could tell there was something wrong with this offense...  

But meh.  No big deal.  It's an outlier.

Imagine having a #1 QB that flashed greatness in 2022, and then watching him slowly decline over the next 2 seasons.  Some folks think it's "Meh" and think it's an "Outlier".  As though he hasn't been doing these things since 2023... 

I sure hope Doug gets back to the basics that made this offense successful 2 seasons ago.  I have my doubts.  But I'm still in hopium mode.

Way am I 100% not surprised you don't understand why a sailed pass is an outlier among Trevor's 2024 mistakes. 
Overthrows are far from his biggest issue. They've become more and more uncommon from him as his career has waned on. 

"Meh" was in reference to the other poster's criticism of the play as an example of what's wrong. It's a bad example. 
It's his only INT this year.

You should also gain some perspective on how BTJ undercut his route and would have run deeper had he not been cut off by the defender trailing Duvernay. 

It is made plain for you in this clip. You can see BTJ turn on a shallower angle when Duvernay's cover guy blocks his path. 

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https://twitter.com/TravisDHolmes/status...2223343030

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LOL.

Trevor is being failed by his coaching staff.  

It's not an outlier.  This has been a problem since last year.  Even when we were going 8-3, anyone watching other NFL teams could tell there was something wrong with this offense...  

But meh.  No big deal.  It's an outlier.

Imagine having a #1 QB that flashed greatness in 2022, and then watching him slowly decline over the next 2 seasons.  Some folks think it's "Meh" and think it's an "Outlier".  As though he hasn't been doing these things since 2023... 

I sure hope Doug gets back to the basics that made this offense successful 2 seasons ago.  I have my doubts.  But I'm still in hopium mode.

Way am I 100% not surprised you don't understand why a sailed pass is an outlier among Trevor's 2024 mistakes. 
Overthrows are far from his biggest issue. They've become more and more uncommon from him as his career has waned on. 

"Meh" was in reference to the other poster's criticism of the play as an example of what's wrong. It's a bad example. 
It's his only INT this year.

You should also gain some perspective on how BTJ undercut his route and would have run deeper had he not been cut off by the defender trailing Duvernay. 

It is made plain for you in this clip. You can see BTJ turn on a shallower angle when Duvernay's cover guy blocks his path. 

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https://twitter.com/TravisDHolmes/status...2223343030

First bolded:  I've never said overthrows were Trevors major issue...  But nice straw man.  You do that alot.  Well, actually you use pedantic drivel to usually discredit posters.

Second bolded:  That's coaching...

Sorry my man, but this team is not being coached to be succesful.  This is just not good enough.  It hasn't been since the start of 2023.  I kept harping on it.  It's just becoming more and more obvious this year how badly coached we are.

Baalke should be fired.  The O-Line is bad.  But in 2022, we overcame that when the HC has some fire in his belly.  Some, to think of a word.... Passion?

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I'm not asking for "great ones" I will take a good QB.   He's not even good.

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The irony is Minshew is ranked above him.

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Really dude?  Are you going to ignore the 5 balls a game he should throw better?  Listen if you want to drink the koolaid that is your business but don't try to make me drink it.  That was one example of many I could show in every game.  Remember the INT he almost threw in Miami right to the defender, How about the other in Cleveland?  He leads the League in Turnovers since he was drafted.  Nuff said!

You seem to be conveniently ignoring any good plays he has too. You only show the 1 interception he's had all year, then bring up almost interceptions. Mahomes has 4 this year already. Should we start writing him off?!?

You only focus on the negatives of Trevor. This is what most people are trying to point out. He has his good moments and has bad moments and it's about finding a way that helps him have more good and less bad. It's that simple.

Because the bad overshadows the good. He has a throwing less than 200 yds a game and 2 tds in 3 NFL games this season. The highlight reel is bare.

The point I am making is there is too much bad from Lawrence.

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You seem to be conveniently ignoring any good plays he has too. You only show the 1 interception he's had all year, then bring up almost interceptions. Mahomes has 4 this year already. Should we start writing him off?!?

You only focus on the negatives of Trevor. This is what most people are trying to point out. He has his good moments and has bad moments and it's about finding a way that helps him have more good and less bad. It's that simple.

Because the bad overshadows the good. He has a throwing less than 200 yds a game and 2 tds in 3 NFL games this season. The highlight reel is bare.

The point I am making is there is too much bad from Lawrence.

How do you reason this with what we saw in 2022?

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Meh

He sailed a ball. He's done that 3 or 4 times this year on 89 attempts. That one happened to be gift wrapped to a safety. There's no excuse for it but it isn't some common mistake he's making these days. 

I'm more worried about him not making more reads before release and his new tendency to leave the pocket instead of navigating pressure within the pocket. 

He's leaving some makable plays out there right now by not getting through his progression or being stubborn about hitting the deepest target. 

He's got to improve, but that play is pretty bad example. It's an outlier.

LOL.

Trevor is being failed by his coaching staff.  

It's not an outlier.  This has been a problem since last year.  Even when we were going 8-3, anyone watching other NFL teams could tell there was something wrong with this offense...  

But meh.  No big deal.  It's an outlier.

Imagine having a #1 QB that flashed greatness in 2022, and then watching him slowly decline over the next 2 seasons.  Some folks think it's "Meh" and think it's an "Outlier".  As though he hasn't been doing these things since 2023... 

I sure hope Doug gets back to the basics that made this offense successful 2 seasons ago.  I have my doubts.  But I'm still in hopium mode.

In your mind, when does the Qb take the blame? . I see a Qb in year 4 with a 6 digit contrast.

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Because the bad overshadows the good. He has a throwing less than 200 yds a game and 2 tds in 3 NFL games this season. The highlight reel is bare.

The point I am making is there is too much bad from Lawrence.

How do you reason this with what we saw in 2022?

Because the league does not live in the past. 2 years is ago is a long time in the NFL. Despite the fact he only was good though week 11 that season. I look at his work at a whole and in the present.

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LOL.

Trevor is being failed by his coaching staff.  

It's not an outlier.  This has been a problem since last year.  Even when we were going 8-3, anyone watching other NFL teams could tell there was something wrong with this offense...  

But meh.  No big deal.  It's an outlier.

Imagine having a #1 QB that flashed greatness in 2022, and then watching him slowly decline over the next 2 seasons.  Some folks think it's "Meh" and think it's an "Outlier".  As though he hasn't been doing these things since 2023... 

I sure hope Doug gets back to the basics that made this offense successful 2 seasons ago.  I have my doubts.  But I'm still in hopium mode.

In your mind, when does the Qb take the blame. I see a Qb in year 4 with a 6 digit contrast.

Trevor has gotten antsy in the pocket.  Trevor is also not trusting what he's seeing on the field.  On top of that, Trevor isn't being put in the same position to be successful like he was in 2022.

It comes down to this, in my opinion...  Either the 2022 season was a complete mirage, or the HC and OC failed to improve Trevor's strengths and have regressed the entire team with their apathy towards doing what was working the prior season.  Why didn't we continue to build on the successes of 2022?  In 2023, we completely went away from what were were doing in 2022.  And now in 2024, we're changing the scheme even more so.

I'm sorry, but I'm not a guy that thinks that Trevor Lawrence is the problem.  He's the answer.  But we need a HC/OC that does things that put's our franchise QB in the best plays.  That hasn't happened for the last 20 games.

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In your mind, when does the Qb take the blame. I see a Qb in year 4 with a 6 digit contrast.

Trevor has gotten antsy in the pocket.  Trevor is also not trusting what he's seeing on the field.  On top of that, Trevor isn't being put in the same position to be successful like he was in 2022.

It comes down to this, in my opinion...  Either the 2022 season was a complete mirage, or the HC and OC failed to improve Trevor's strengths and have regressed the entire team with their apathy towards doing what was working the prior season.  Why didn't we continue to build on the successes of 2022?  In 2023, we completely went away from what were were doing in 2022.  And now in 2024, we're changing the scheme even more so.

I'm sorry, but I'm not a guy that thinks that Trevor Lawrence is the problem.  He's the answer.  But we need a HC/OC that does things that put's our franchise QB in the best plays.  That hasn't happened for the last 20 games.

You're forgetting something very important.
An offense that worked in 2022 may not work in 2023 or 2024 simply because other teams figured out its tendencies and tells and can predict what we are going to do before we try to do it.

A good offensive coach has to change things up regularly unless his players are good enough to execute even when the D knows what is coming.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

LOL.

Trevor is being failed by his coaching staff.  

It's not an outlier.  This has been a problem since last year.  Even when we were going 8-3, anyone watching other NFL teams could tell there was something wrong with this offense...  

But meh.  No big deal.  It's an outlier.

Imagine having a #1 QB that flashed greatness in 2022, and then watching him slowly decline over the next 2 seasons.  Some folks think it's "Meh" and think it's an "Outlier".  As though he hasn't been doing these things since 2023... 

I sure hope Doug gets back to the basics that made this offense successful 2 seasons ago.  I have my doubts.  But I'm still in hopium mode.

In your mind, when does the Qb take the blame? . I see a Qb in year 4 with a 6 digit contrast.

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How do you reason this with what we saw in 2022?

Because the league does not live in the past. 2 years is ago is a long time in the NFL. Despite the fact he only was good though week 11 that season. I look at his work at a whole and in the present.

I hear ya.  But there are plenty of succesful offenses that continue to run the same game plan/schemes and plays that are successful when they have legit QBs.  I think we have a legit QB.  I think the problem is that the coaching isn't competent enough to get the best out of that QB.

I'd rather dump the HC and bring in someone that can actually be a QB developer than get rid of the #1 overall QB that everyone said was special.  And he is special.  He made throws against Miami that I don't even think Mahommes can make anymore.  But this coaching staff is holding him and the rest of the offense back.  But that's just my opinion.  I'm no more intelligent on this than the folks that think I'm a moron.  

I'm just pointing out my thoughts on this situation.  This is the TL Franchise thread.  I think TL is a Franchise QB.  And I'll continue to think that until we get more proof otherwise.  At this point, all his flaws have been exacerbated by bad coaching.  I think a better coaching staff would revive him back to where he was in 2022.  I could be wrong.  And if I am, I'll eat my words.

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Trevor has gotten antsy in the pocket.  Trevor is also not trusting what he's seeing on the field.  On top of that, Trevor isn't being put in the same position to be successful like he was in 2022.

It comes down to this, in my opinion...  Either the 2022 season was a complete mirage, or the HC and OC failed to improve Trevor's strengths and have regressed the entire team with their apathy towards doing what was working the prior season.  Why didn't we continue to build on the successes of 2022?  In 2023, we completely went away from what were were doing in 2022.  And now in 2024, we're changing the scheme even more so.

I'm sorry, but I'm not a guy that thinks that Trevor Lawrence is the problem.  He's the answer.  But we need a HC/OC that does things that put's our franchise QB in the best plays.  That hasn't happened for the last 20 games.

You're forgetting something very important.
An offense that worked in 2022 may not work in 2023 or 2024 simply because other teams figured out its tendencies and tells and can predict what we are going to do before we try to do it.

A good offensive coach has to change things up regularly unless his players are good enough to execute even when the D knows what is coming.

It would be nice to have a good offensive coach...

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In your mind, when does the Qb take the blame. I see a Qb in year 4 with a 6 digit contrast.

Trevor has gotten antsy in the pocket.  Trevor is also not trusting what he's seeing on the field.  On top of that, Trevor isn't being put in the same position to be successful like he was in 2022.

It comes down to this, in my opinion...  Either the 2022 season was a complete mirage, or the HC and OC failed to improve Trevor's strengths and have regressed the entire team with their apathy towards doing what was working the prior season.  Why didn't we continue to build on the successes of 2022?  In 2023, we completely went away from what were were doing in 2022.  And now in 2024, we're changing the scheme even more so.

I'm sorry, but I'm not a guy that thinks that Trevor Lawrence is the problem.  He's the answer.  But we need a HC/OC that does things that put's our franchise QB in the best plays.  That hasn't happened for the last 20 games.

You are entitled to your opinion but I disagree. I believe both is true. The coaching is bad but the Qb is also bad. You saw a small sample in 2022 while I have seen a much larger sample.


The coaches cannot coach missed passes, throwing into double coverage, turnover prone, taking stupid sacks, etc etc.

As an NFL player players have a personal responsibility to perform on the field. Coaching is an asset for a player and not make or break one. All great players will be great regardless of who the coach is.

On the flip side, you cannot make a bad player good. Coaching only takes one so far.

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Way am I 100% not surprised you don't understand why a sailed pass is an outlier among Trevor's 2024 mistakes. 
Overthrows are far from his biggest issue. They've become more and more uncommon from him as his career has waned on. 

"Meh" was in reference to the other poster's criticism of the play as an example of what's wrong. It's a bad example. 
It's his only INT this year.

You should also gain some perspective on how BTJ undercut his route and would have run deeper had he not been cut off by the defender trailing Duvernay. 

It is made plain for you in this clip. You can see BTJ turn on a shallower angle when Duvernay's cover guy blocks his path. 

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https://twitter.com/TravisDHolmes/status...2223343030

First bolded:  I've never said overthrows were Trevors major issue...  But nice straw man.  You do that alot.  Well, actually you use pedantic drivel to usually discredit posters.

Second bolded:  That's coaching...

Sorry my man, but this team is not being coached to be succesful.  This is just not good enough.  It hasn't been since the start of 2023.  I kept harping on it.  It's just becoming more and more obvious this year how badly coached we are.

Baalke should be fired.  The O-Line is bad.  But in 2022, we overcame that when the HC has some fire in his belly.  Some, to think of a word.... Passion?

Ugh 

The overthrow reference is not a strawman

It was merely the context of the discussion that you jumped into

Try to catch up before you feebly attempt to tell me all about myself

A rookie receiver undercutting his route because he's got a defender in his way is not About coaching
Again, horrible example
There are 100 examples of bad things that you could pin on coaching happening this year
That altered route is hardly one of them, or at the least a really bad example

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First bolded:  I've never said overthrows were Trevors major issue...  But nice straw man.  You do that alot.  Well, actually you use pedantic drivel to usually discredit posters.

Second bolded:  That's coaching...

Sorry my man, but this team is not being coached to be succesful.  This is just not good enough.  It hasn't been since the start of 2023.  I kept harping on it.  It's just becoming more and more obvious this year how badly coached we are.

Baalke should be fired.  The O-Line is bad.  But in 2022, we overcame that when the HC has some fire in his belly.  Some, to think of a word.... Passion?

Ugh 

The overthrow reference is not a strawman

It was merely the context of the discussion that you jumped into

Try to catch up before you feebly attempt to tell me all about myself

A rookie receiver undercutting his route because he's got a defender in his way is not About coaching
Again, horrible example
There are 100 examples of bad things that you could pin on coaching happening this year
That altered route is hardly one of them, or at the least a really bad example

What the focus should be on the play is

A. HE had a clean pocket
B. He had clear sight of the receiver
C. The receiver was wide open
D. The Qb made another bad throw

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Ugh 

The overthrow reference is not a strawman

It was merely the context of the discussion that you jumped into

Try to catch up before you feebly attempt to tell me all about myself

A rookie receiver undercutting his route because he's got a defender in his way is not About coaching
Again, horrible example
There are 100 examples of bad things that you could pin on coaching happening this year
That altered route is hardly one of them, or at the least a really bad example

What the focus should be on the play is

A. HE had a clean pocket
B. He had clear sight of the receiver
C. The receiver was wide open
D. The Qb made another bad throw

All of that is true

It's just that you chose THAT play to prop up criticism of the quarterback when that play is not indicative of the pattern of mistakes he has been making. It's an outlier.

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What the focus should be on the play is

A. HE had a clean pocket
B. He had clear sight of the receiver
C. The receiver was wide open
D. The Qb made another bad throw

All of that is true

It's just that you chose THAT play to prop up criticism of the quarterback when that play is not indicative of the pattern of mistakes he has been making. It's an outlier.

He made that mistake twice in the game. He sailed the ball to a 5-yard outlet option who had to leap into the air to barely catch it, cutting of all of his momentum.  He also skipped the ball several times, and threw to Gabe Davis twice with the ball going out of bounds.  Poor accuracy isn't an outlier.

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NYC4jags Wrote:
Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

All of that is true

It's just that you chose THAT play to prop up criticism of the quarterback when that play is not indicative of the pattern of mistakes he has been making. It's an outlier.

He made that mistake twice in the game. He sailed the ball to a 5-yard outlet receiver who had to leap into the air to barely catch it, cutting of all of his momentum.  He also skipped the ball several times, and threw to Gabe Davis twice with the ball going out of bounds.  Poor accuracy isn't an outlier.

If you want to lump that into a broader accuracy basket, you can do that.

My point is that he used to have a pretty consistent issue with overthrows and that has gotten much better over time. 

And I'm not going to accept anecdotal citings from a biased tinhorn fan about anything that happened in a game that was rapidly out of hand for anything more than what it is. You get down by 3 scores that fast and [BLEEP] gets pretty desperate.

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He made that mistake twice in the game. He sailed the ball to a 5-yard outlet receiver who had to leap into the air to barely catch it, cutting of all of his momentum.  He also skipped the ball several times, and threw to Gabe Davis twice with the ball going out of bounds.  Poor accuracy isn't an outlier.

If you want to lump that into a broader accuracy basket, you can do that.

My point is that he used to have a pretty consistent issue with overthrows and that has gotten much better over time. 

And I'm not going to accept anecdotal citings from a biased tinhorn fan about anything that happened in a game that was rapidly out of hand for anything more than what it is. You get down by 3 scores that fast and [BLEEP] gets pretty desperate.

Sorry to interrupt this nonbiased thread...  You've vigorously defended the offensive line moves (or lack thereof).  You've vigorously promoted the new defensive coordinator.  You've vigorously defended the Head Coach.  You've vigorously defended Travis Walker over Aiden Hutchinson. And you've vigorously defended Trevor Lawrence, except now you're dipping your toes in the water.  So let's hear your non-biased opinion on Trevor's current 0-8 record, the last 3 in particular. .

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NYC4jags Wrote:
Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.