No offense.  But I think maybe you need to take a step back at this point.  I've told you over and over again that something was wrong with this offense.  And then, after the season, they got rid of the problem, which was the DC.  And yet this offense is still regressed.  All while the Defense looks completely lost.

Clearly you disagree with me.  But I've been saying it since the 2023 season, this team isn't being coached like they were in 2022. 

You're a good guy.  But stop ignoring reality.  The GM is bad.  But this HC and his buddies have absolutely ruined this team and are regressing our QB.

There absolutely IS something wrong with this offense and the team as a whole.

The line can't run block worth a damn against anything more than a middling defense, the receivers periodically forget how to catch and most usually when they are in the end zone or on 3rd down, and the the running back can't keep himself from fumbling the ball when he's not out with a shoulder or rib or torso or hammy. 

In spite of that, the QB is playing decent ball with a broken clock but he then tries to play hero ball because he knows if he doesn't they lose.

On top of that "We need to get bigger and stronger" netted us very little in the weeks and months after it was stated. The center and left guard are better, but the other big men positions we've discussed at length aren't despite free agent signings and draft picks, and we have almost no middle pass rush (again).

On top of that we've had injuries to key players and their back ups just aren't as good (that's the law of football).

On top of that, several players can't run simple plays without holding or procedure penalties.

On top of that we have a guy who's played like dog [BLEEP] barking at the QB on the side line then immediately turning the ball over.

On top of that we have a defensive back who's played like dog [BLEEP] telling the media the other guys quit.

On top of THAT, we have a team that gets no love from the League because they are a jobber franchise to the big markets.

On top of that we have a poster here who thinks his fevered imaginary delusions about a lazy head coach are anything more than bad fan fic so he spams them across multiple threads.

In short, there's a lot wrong and no way to fix the vast majority of it. Fire the coaches all you like, you'll only learn that coaching can only cover up the lack of talent for so long. This is a soft team rostered by soft players who fold like a lawn chair every Sunday in big moments when they have to be tough and physical. Until the guy picking these players is different you'll just keep seeing the same dysfunction over and over again. And it's unlikely that Baalke is going anywhere. I know you want a clean sweep, but that broom doesn't and can't extend to the roster, and that's where the problems are.

It's basically the same team from 2022...

Why are we such trash?

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I didn’t think Darby would be this bad. Lloyd is lost. Cisco can’t cover this year and is messing up on tackles. I don’t like the offensive play calling a lot of the time. Jags  can’t get there with only four down Line men rushing yet we never blitz linebackers. I don’t understand. I see other teams messing up our offense by blitzing line backers and even corner backs at times. This team needs a better scheme on defense. Switching from a 3-4 to a 4-3 has been a disaster. Coaches make zero adjustments during the game and even at halftime. I could go on but that just for starters.

The switch to the 4-3 from the 3-4 isn't the problem.  But when you take out JHA and Travon Walker regularly because of some delusional need to "rotate" players so you put scrubs in at DE during key situations, you get exactly the performance that you expect which is total suckness.  

The D coordinator isn't putting players in position to make plays.  Other teams have starter missing and they're able to compensate, but not the Jags.  32nd ranked defense in the league despite a lot of high priced free agents this offseason.

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I didn’t think Darby would be this bad. Lloyd is lost. Cisco can’t cover this year and is messing up on tackles. I don’t like the offensive play calling a lot of the time. Jags  can’t get there with only four down Line men rushing yet we never blitz linebackers. I don’t understand. I see other teams messing up our offense by blitzing line backers and even corner backs at times. This team needs a better scheme on defense. Switching from a 3-4 to a 4-3 has been a disaster. Coaches make zero adjustments during the game and even at halftime. I could go on but that just for starters.

The switch to the 4-3 from the 3-4 isn't the problem.  But when you take out JHA and Travon Walker regularly because of some delusional need to "rotate" players so you put scrubs in at DE during key situations, you get exactly the performance that you expect which is total suckness.  

The D coordinator isn't putting players in position to make plays.  Other teams have starter missing and they're able to compensate, but not the Jags.  32nd ranked defense in the league despite a lot of high priced free agents this offseason.

Bad coaching.  We've been dealing with bad coaching for 2 seasons now.  Doug thought he could just ride off into the sunset.  And then things went bad in 2023.  And then he thought he could hire another DC to fix it...  When it was his lack of passion all along.

He gave up.  He is a lazy bum.  And his team reflects his coaching.

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So who comes in and wins the division with this roster? All the high draft picks and what do we have?

I wish it was just coaching.

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Birth of the Franchise - November 30, 1993
Death of the Franchise - November 29, 2011

Fans deserve better. Thanks for all the good times too many are in the past.

Well if they have quit and things are getting fractured behind the scenes, a week in a hotel in a foreign country will either make them or break them.

Could be the best or worst thing to happen.

If we had a real HC, maybe things would turn around.  Doug relinquished responsibility last season.  There's no miraculous turn around unless the HC gets some fire in his belly.  But it's clear he's washed.

Dude was crying on the sidelines!!!!  I mean, come on.  It's over.  Cisco called it right.  It's over.  The team quit.  I blame it on the coaches.

I'm not talking about turning things around, I'm talking about players holding each other accountable. The players are in the locker rooms together, they are the ones who hang out together and have the real talk amongst each other.

I want to see them stepping up, I want to see them calling out the guys quitting. A lot of these players will be here next year whatever happens at FO/Coaching level and I want to see them have a standard they expect.

That's what I'm getting at when saying being stuck together in a hotel for a week will be interesting. Do they have some honest discussions or do they let things further sink.

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The thing that has bothered me most about the Jaguars over a lot of years is they just didn't look like they wanted to play football.

A lot of guys jogging and hoping the opponent would just run out of bounds.

What I want is the kind of attitude the Ravens and Steelers players show: every play ends with the other team having to get up after being hit as hard as possible.

I'm not sure why the Jaguars have been so soft for so long, but they have never been able to shake it. Even in the years when they were good they got whipped in the toughness department. Remember the 49er [BLEEP] whooping the 2017 Jags took? How about the the whoopings by the titans in 99? Jaguars keep losing because other teams show they're tougher.

I'm sure that's the GM's fault.

If only our GM could inspire these players.

So you're all about keeping the guy that drafted a group that needs to sell out to stop the run and doesn't like getting their jerseys dirty?

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I didn’t think Darby would be this bad. Lloyd is lost. Cisco can’t cover this year and is messing up on tackles. I don’t like the offensive play calling a lot of the time. Jags  can’t get there with only four down Line men rushing yet we never blitz linebackers. I don’t understand. I see other teams messing up our offense by blitzing line backers and even corner backs at times. This team needs a better scheme on defense. Switching from a 3-4 to a 4-3 has been a disaster. Coaches make zero adjustments during the game and even at halftime. I could go on but that just for starters.

The switch to the 4-3 from the 3-4 isn't the problem.  But when you take out JHA and Travon Walker regularly because of some delusional need to "rotate" players so you put scrubs in at DE during key situations, you get exactly the performance that you expect which is total suckness.  

The D coordinator isn't putting players in position to make plays.  Other teams have starter missing and they're able to compensate, but not the Jags.  32nd ranked defense in the league despite a lot of high priced free agents this offseason.

Yes, the rotation of players isn’t too smart. No team in the nfl has the depth to do this. This isn’t college football at #1 texas. Jags especially don’t have depth at any positions except maybe running back and line backer. I can see rotation there is possible.

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The team is hapless and uninspired. That much is clear. Whether or not it’s truly the coaching staffs fault basically comes down to the fact that their job to get these guys motivated. So therefore, it is unfortunately their fault.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_BBCOypwWI

After listening to this podcast, I think Colin Cowherd may be onto what our problem is. He starts talking about the Jags at 19:26. His thinking is that we have too many forces around the Jaguars that are too laid back after a loss. Owner, head coach, quarterback, local sports media, and even us fans. As a result, he thinks all of these things have converged to us with a team that "just feels loose and inefficient."

We obviously need a new GM for a variety of reasons, and our next coach probably needs to be more of a disciplinarian like Tom Coughlin, or maybe a Bill Parcells type. I think Trevor will be fine long term, but it wouldn't be a bad thing if he had a coach and OC who were willing to hold his feet to the fire if he doesn't play up to his abilities. He needs to get better, and it is going to take a new GM, HC, and OC to get the greatness out of him that we all know is there.

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There absolutely IS something wrong with this offense and the team as a whole.

The line can't run block worth a damn against anything more than a middling defense, the receivers periodically forget how to catch and most usually when they are in the end zone or on 3rd down, and the the running back can't keep himself from fumbling the ball when he's not out with a shoulder or rib or torso or hammy. 

In spite of that, the QB is playing decent ball with a broken clock but he then tries to play hero ball because he knows if he doesn't they lose.

On top of that "We need to get bigger and stronger" netted us very little in the weeks and months after it was stated. The center and left guard are better, but the other big men positions we've discussed at length aren't despite free agent signings and draft picks, and we have almost no middle pass rush (again).

On top of that we've had injuries to key players and their back ups just aren't as good (that's the law of football).

On top of that, several players can't run simple plays without holding or procedure penalties.

On top of that we have a guy who's played like dog [BLEEP] barking at the QB on the side line then immediately turning the ball over.

On top of that we have a defensive back who's played like dog [BLEEP] telling the media the other guys quit.

On top of THAT, we have a team that gets no love from the League because they are a jobber franchise to the big markets.

On top of that we have a poster here who thinks his fevered imaginary delusions about a lazy head coach are anything more than bad fan fic so he spams them across multiple threads.

In short, there's a lot wrong and no way to fix the vast majority of it. Fire the coaches all you like, you'll only learn that coaching can only cover up the lack of talent for so long. This is a soft team rostered by soft players who fold like a lawn chair every Sunday in big moments when they have to be tough and physical. Until the guy picking these players is different you'll just keep seeing the same dysfunction over and over again. And it's unlikely that Baalke is going anywhere. I know you want a clean sweep, but that broom doesn't and can't extend to the roster, and that's where the problems are.

It's basically the same team from 2022...

Why are we such trash?

No it isn't.

LG, C, RT, RB2, RB3, TE2, WR2, WR3, WR4 are all different. There's no "basically" there, half the starters are different. And the LT and RG are significantly worse than they were in 2022.

Defense has Ron [BLEEP] Darby as CB1 and a 6th round guy as CB2 along with a SS who was a 5 last year. Savage has been hurt all year. JHA, RRH, and Hamilton are it on the front line since Armstead appears to be spent, while Foye has been out since week one. Lloyd and Cisco both are struggling in the new scheme, which really seems to be the heart of the issue as we said in the D thread, they don't have the right guys for a Man heavy scheme.

You only see what you want to see. I don't know how you coach highly paid football players to do basic football stuff like catch and not fumble, to me that is solely on the player who [BLEEP] up. You can't cut them, they're the best we have (I guess) and help is not on the way. They just simply aren't doing what needs to be done when given every opportunity to do so.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

It's basically the same team from 2022...

Why are we such trash?

No it isn't.

LG, C, RT, RB2, RB3, TE2, WR2, WR3, WR4 are all different. There's no "basically" there, half the starters are different. And the LT and RG are significantly worse than they were in 2022.

Defense has Ron [BLEEP] Darby as CB1 and a 6th round guy as CB2 along with a SS who was a 5 last year. Savage has been hurt all year. JHA, RRH, and Hamilton are it on the front line since Armstead appears to be spent, while Foye has been out since week one. Lloyd and Cisco both are struggling in the new scheme, which really seems to be the heart of the issue as we said in the D thread, they don't have the right guys for a Man heavy scheme.

You only see what you want to see. I don't know how you coach highly paid football players to do basic football stuff like catch and not fumble, to me that is solely on the player who [BLEEP] up. You can't cut them, they're the best we have (I guess) and help is not on the way. They just simply aren't doing what needs to be done when given every opportunity to do so.

Theres ways to get indiviuals to perform at higher levels.
Throwing your hands up and saying "we discussed it with the players" isnt enough.
Whatever the coaching staff is doing, it isnt enough.
This isnt an issue with one or two players, its the entire roster.
The attention to details, intensity, sense of urgency, and focus all come from the leaders, whether it be coaches or players.

Multiple dudes dropping passes, multiple dudes fumbling, multiple dudes missing blize assignments.
Multiple dudes shooting the wrong gap, multiple dudes picking up the wrong receiver, multiples dudes misreading keys.

The players and team as a whole are a reflection of the coaches and theres some rot in that coaching staff for allowing some of the stuff that is going on.
And it seems Cisco has noticed this rot in the form of individuals not putting in the appropriate effort.

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Doug is gone. He's completely checked out mentally. Maybe the guy has something going on is his life that has him distracted. Or, as I speculated earlier, he simply has a short shelf-life as a head coach. His inability to compartmentalize the stress and strain of the position drains him quickly and he loses enthusiasm. 

He's just treading water until the inevitable ax falls and I bet he feels an immense sense of relief when it does happen. Khan has padded his bank account well enough to live comfortably for the rest of his life. If he feels the need to get back into football, get an analyst's job, or something which doesn't require total commitment of time.

Time to move along to the next chapter of your life, Doug.

Yeah, Pederson gets the blame for Baalke's bull [BLEEP] and Baalke will still be here...so what does that make us?

depressed

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Lol, you know that's not happening. Baalke, the rot of all of this really, is dug in like the tick he is.

This doesn't sound like you, flsprtsgod.  You usually have faith in all things Jaguars Oranization.

Why do you think Khan would fire Pederson and not fire Baalke?  Other than, "Oh Baalke has hypnotized Khan"

11 years of Khan's past behavior would be my first guess.

Baalke also just signed a heap of guys to long-term deals, many of whom he is responsible for bringing aboard. I for sure could see Khan giving him the shot to pick the coach that he thinks can take the roster as constructed and make it the winner Shad thought it would be in his preseason declaration.

Not that hard to see the patience in Khan if you look back. Heck, I could even see him making the choice up to Doug to stay or go, but he's gotta figure out what the team is built to do and work within that confine AND have that fire. I just don't know if Doug wants to keep fielding the same questions about job security week in and week out. He may just walk away on his own.

It sucks, really thought we were on to something, like stories were being rewritten. Turned out to be just a different chapter in the same book.

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Yeah, Pederson gets the blame for Baalke's bull [BLEEP] and Baalke will still be here...so what does that make us?

depressed

Word.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Post game radio show is not happy about Cisco's comments. Only Hacker is really defending it. Searcy and Campo said it was wrong. Also, if you're going to make a comment like that? Drop names then as well. Campo and Searcy think he should be fined for conduct detrimental to the team.

Well, if that's the case, [BLEEP] fine everybody for detrimental conduct to the team. Because they all suck.

Never name names on a hot mic. First, he's in a contract year, and second, he still has to count on these guys to bail him out if he's the one getting burned.

That will show up in film study, on the practice field, in a private meeting. If the coaches aren't gonna step on some players' toes, I'm fine if the players want to start stepping up and doing the coaches' jobs for them.

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The switch to the 4-3 from the 3-4 isn't the problem.  But when you take out JHA and Travon Walker regularly because of some delusional need to "rotate" players so you put scrubs in at DE during key situations, you get exactly the performance that you expect which is total suckness.  

The D coordinator isn't putting players in position to make plays.  Other teams have starter missing and they're able to compensate, but not the Jags.  32nd ranked defense in the league despite a lot of high priced free agents this offseason.

Yes, the rotation of players isn’t too smart. No team in the nfl has the depth to do this. This isn’t college football at #1 texas. Jags especially don’t have depth at any positions except maybe running back and line backer. I can see rotation there is possible.

So the bigger question is why do coaches and GMs hire guys who aren't a fit with the roster as it's built, and rather bring in a misfit that is either going to look the fool playing guys out of position, or require a reboot to get the guys he needs to make his process work?

That's incompetence.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_BBCOypwWI

After listening to this podcast, I think Colin Cowherd may be onto what our problem is.  He starts talking about the Jags at 19:26.  His thinking is that we have too many forces around the Jaguars that are too laid back after a loss.  Owner, head coach, quarterback, local sports media, and even us fans.  As a result, he thinks all of these things have converged to us with a team that "just feels loose and inefficient."

We obviously need a new GM for a variety of reasons, and our next coach probably needs to be more of a disciplinarian like Tom Coughlin, or maybe a Bill Parcells type.  I think Trevor will be fine long term, but it wouldn't be a bad thing if he had a coach and OC who were willing to hold his feet to the fire if he doesn't play up to his abilities.  He needs to get better, and it is going to take a new GM, HC, and OC to get the greatness out of him that we all know is there.

Been saying for a while that we need anger. Guys that take Ls personally. Guys that get pissed when their teammate fumbles away a big drive or drops a easy grab. Coaches that hold players to the fire when they repeatedly cost the team a stop.

We got good guys, a fantastic support group to lift you up when you're feelin down, friends that you'll love to go fishin with when the season is done. Foot ball is not a game for the well-adjusted, and we need some of those ill-adjusted boys to shake up the mix.

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The switch to the 4-3 from the 3-4 isn't the problem.  But when you take out JHA and Travon Walker regularly because of some delusional need to "rotate" players so you put scrubs in at DE during key situations, you get exactly the performance that you expect which is total suckness.  

The D coordinator isn't putting players in position to make plays.  Other teams have starter missing and they're able to compensate, but not the Jags.  32nd ranked defense in the league despite a lot of high priced free agents this offseason.

Bad coaching.  We've been dealing with bad coaching for 2 seasons now.  Doug thought he could just ride off into the sunset.  And then things went bad in 2023.  And then he thought he could hire another DC to fix it...  When it was his lack of passion all along.

He gave up.  He is a lazy bum.  And his team reflects his coaching.

I agree with this, and I got this vibe from him even before the 2023 season, but we were riding such a high then that I ignored it.

I’m starting to notice that plenty of coaches and players take the Jaguars job because they think its gonna be some kind of paid vacation. Jax is a golfer’s and fisherman's paradise after all, and football expectations aren’t too great.

I think Doug thought that he can cash HC checks and do the above, while his apprentices ran the show, since they are relatively new and would do it to gain experience and advance their own NFL careers. But I think ultimately, for a young team like this, the continuous presence of a HC is necessary to keep them focused and keep it from going off the rails. Unfortunately its too late, this team is lazy, unmotivated, and frankly, looks like they have all given up on the season

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Sometimes we try to make a bunch of different excuses to rationalize what we are seeing on the field - and they could be true.

However, I think it quite frankly boils down to a simple fact... We just flat out SUCK.

Our players aren't talented enough to play NFL-level football.

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Sometimes we try to make a bunch of different excuses to rationalize what we are seeing on the field - and they could be true.

However, I think it quite frankly boils down to a simple fact... We just flat out SUCK.

Our players aren't talented enough to play NFL-level football.

Nah man, Doogie P is just lazy! That's why players can't hold on to the ball.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Cisco is an idiot. If you quit and you are not even an All Pro kind of player you are just a loser. Cisco is mediocre and this is only more proof.

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I am a fan, not a cheerleader.