"epic bust" is currently neck and neck with Mahome's in passing stats for the year.   You tried.   LOL.

The Delusion of you puttng Lawrnece in the same Sentence with Mahomes is laughable. 2 different situations. Lets not pretend Lawrence hasn't been racking up garbage time stats.

Yep. Mahomes has a D that basically won them a SB. 

Trevor has one that's ranked 32nd and gives up 35+ a game. Let's see Mahomes win a SB with this D.

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I think anyone who watched the 2020 National champ game against LSU got a pretty good preview of Trevor Lawrence as an NFL player.

Easily his worst game as a Tiger, but reality is he was playing with a busted shoulder. Clemson used him like Tim Tebow vs OSUs unreal defense the playoff game before. Its well known by Clemson fans his shoulder was shot. LSUs defense wasn't terrible but not elite, Trevor never looked that bad against much better in his college career.

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The Delusion of you puttng Lawrnece in the same Sentence with Mahomes is laughable. 2 different situations. Lets not pretend Lawrence hasn't been racking up garbage time stats.

Yep. Mahomes has a D that basically won them a SB. 

Trevor has one that's ranked 32nd and gives up 35+ a game. Let's see Mahomes win a SB with this D.

Yeah. Exactly. I get tired as hell hearing about Mahomes this and Mahomes that. He's been great in spurts. The Chiefs are blessed to have Steve Spagnuolo. Just like Coughlin was with the Giants. He got the most out of that front four with the Giants just like he's done now with the Chiefs. 

Defense still wins Championship's in the NFL. The Vikings are a good example of this right now with Brian Flores. Again, everybody wants to give Sam Darnold their praise and his flowers, and, to be fair, sure, he deserves it.

But, let's not sit here and act like having the 3rd best overall defense in the toughest division at the moment is not a major factor as to why they're 5 - 0. You can add Tomlin and the Steelers to this argument as well. They have no permanent solution at QB and they have a woefully inconsistent core of skill position players. They just say [BLEEP] it and box everybody out defensively.

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I think anyone who watched the 2020 National champ game against LSU got a pretty good preview of Trevor Lawrence as an NFL player.

Easily his worst game as a Tiger, but reality is he was playing with a busted shoulder. Clemson used him like Tim Tebow vs OSUs unreal defense the playoff game before. Its well known by Clemson fans his shoulder was shot. LSUs defense wasn't terrible but not elite, Trevor never looked that bad against much better in his college career.

Burrow's a better QB. Clemson let him score 6 TD's in that game. They couldn't get off the field that night to save their lives.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

3 of those 4 drops were on the same drive if I’m not mistaken and we were down by 25. We should have never been in that position to begin with is the point. 

I’ve been there with the excuses for TL for the last 3 years. It reaches a point where I’ve just heard enough. The guy definitely is not an elite QB and by year 4 he doesn't look like he ever will be. If he didn’t have his pedigree coming out of college and was a mid first round pick he would have been cut or traded by now. 

Just wait until his extension kicks in. We think it’s bad now with it’s probably only going to get worse.

Trevor was 16-19 half way through the 3rd quarter with 2 TDs... Two of those incompletions were drops and the 3rd was a throw away... That's his fault though right?

You're an idiot and don't know what you're watching. And honestly, I know you aren't watching. If you were watching, that makes it even worse because it confirms you have zero clue about what you're actually watching.

Really dude? Keyboard tough guy much? Is it really necessary to call someone an idiot because they disagree with you? We’re all fans of the same team, we all want the same thing. 

I watched the game as I do all of them. Admittedly I don’t 100% follow every play and I don’t have any type of rewind features so at times I definitely miss things. But again, I’m just tired of hearing the excuses every game. Elite or even above average QBs can compensate for the lack of talent around them, ofcourse there’s probably an extent to that but still.

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I think anyone who watched the 2020 National champ game against LSU got a pretty good preview of Trevor Lawrence as an NFL player.

Yeah. He can't throw 6 TD passes to win a game when his defense lets the other guy throw 5.

That was essentially my point. Couldnt answer with a drive when needed in the 2nd half. Btw he threw for 0 TDs that game and went 18 for 37.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

I think anyone who watched the 2020 National champ game against LSU got a pretty good preview of Trevor Lawrence as an NFL player.

Most of the time he looks exactly as he did vs Ohio state in his last game.

...struggling behind an unqualified coordinator? You remember his OC caught the coof the week of the game and wasn't there?

TLaw still put up 400 yds, they had no running game from...ETN. 

So yeah, I get it.

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Yeah. He can't throw 6 TD passes to win a game when his defense lets the other guy throw 5.

That was essentially my point. Couldnt answer with a drive when needed in the 2nd half. Btw he threw for 0 TDs that game and went 18 for 37.

Yeah. Well, what's done is done. His current problem is guys not catching the passes he's putting on them in the endzone. He's had at least 6 dropped this year so far. Lawrence is the least of my concerns right now. 

A good, innovative young head coach that is joined at the hip with him as a play caller can fix this situation in a year with a general manager capable of drafting players that fit that coaches needs and identity that he seeks for his roster. 

We have neither on this team at the moment. We have a head coach that likes to make spaghetti but the general manager is only good at buying fish. That sentence makes no sense, which is my point, because this team can't find the answers it needs because these two [BLEEP] can't do their jobs together. 

Which falls back on Khan for forcing it.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Yeah. He can't throw 6 TD passes to win a game when his defense lets the other guy throw 5.

That was essentially my point. Couldnt answer with a drive when needed in the 2nd half. Btw he threw for 0 TDs that game and went 18 for 37.

He got the engines started in the second half then engram promptly coughed the ball up

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Trevor was 16-19 half way through the 3rd quarter with 2 TDs... Two of those incompletions were drops and the 3rd was a throw away... That's his fault though right?

You're an idiot and don't know what you're watching. And honestly, I know you aren't watching. If you were watching, that makes it even worse because it confirms you have zero clue about what you're actually watching.

Really dude? Keyboard tough guy much? Is it really necessary to call someone an idiot because they disagree with you? We’re all fans of the same team, we all want the same thing. 

I watched the game as I do all of them. Admittedly I don’t 100% follow every play and I don’t have any type of rewind features so at times I definitely miss things. But again, I’m just tired of hearing the excuses every game. Elite or even above average QBs can compensate for the lack of talent around them, ofcourse there’s probably an extent to that but still.

How do you compensate for dropped passes and fumbles along with a defense that can't get off the field?

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That was essentially my point. Couldnt answer with a drive when needed in the 2nd half. Btw he threw for 0 TDs that game and went 18 for 37.

Yeah. Well, what's done is done. His current problem is guys not catching the passes he's putting on them in the endzone. He's had at least 6 dropped this year so far. Lawrence is the least of my concerns right now. 

A good, innovative young head coach that is joined at the hip with him as a play caller can fix this situation in a year with a general manager capable of drafting players that fit that coaches needs and identity that he seeks for his roster. 

We have neither on this team at the moment. We have a head coach that likes to make spaghetti but the general manager is only good at buying fish. That sentence makes no sense, which is my point, because this team can't find the answers it needs because these two [BLEEP] can't do their jobs together. 

Which falls back on Khan for forcing it.

Good to see you back to “normal” Caldrac  

This is where I’m at. We have such a horrid situation that we thrust him in. It’s like having a brand new engine put in a rusty 1999 Hyundai with bald tires. Yikes. It’s never gonna work. With each passing game, I’m convinced Khan is only going to fire Doug but not Baalke, and if that happens I may be done. He’ll have proven that he views this franchise as a piggy bank and nothing more. We have a good specimen at QB, a cornerstone to build around, and we’re literally not just throwing it way. We’re grinding it into dust. 

The future has never been bleaker for a Jags fans at least in 2020 we had hope for what we’re tanking for. Now?? It doesn’t matter. We will be picking in the top 10 again for a third time in five years and if Baalke is picking, there is absolutely zero shot of getting it right. And no coach if Doug goes is going to want work with Baalke. I can’t believe Khan is this far up his own butt he can’t see that. Is it possible to stage an owner intervention? Even Jerry Jones would be lucid enough to tell khan get that clown out of here.

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Yep. Mahomes has a D that basically won them a SB. 

Trevor has one that's ranked 32nd and gives up 35+ a game. Let's see Mahomes win a SB with this D.

Yeah. Exactly. I get tired as hell hearing about Mahomes this and Mahomes that. He's been great in spurts. The Chiefs are blessed to have Steve Spagnuolo. Just like Coughlin was with the Giants. He got the most out of that front four with the Giants just like he's done now with the Chiefs. 

Defense still wins Championship's in the NFL. The Vikings are a good example of this right now with Brian Flores. Again, everybody wants to give Sam Darnold their praise and his flowers, and, to be fair, sure, he deserves it.

But, let's not sit here and act like having the 3rd best overall defense in the toughest division at the moment is not a major factor as to why they're 5 - 0. You can add Tomlin and the Steelers to this argument as well. They have no permanent solution at QB and they have a woefully inconsistent core of skill position players. They just say [BLEEP] it and box everybody out defensively.

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Easily his worst game as a Tiger, but reality is he was playing with a busted shoulder. Clemson used him like Tim Tebow vs OSUs unreal defense the playoff game before. Its well known by Clemson fans his shoulder was shot. LSUs defense wasn't terrible but not elite, Trevor never looked that bad against much better in his college career.

Burrow's a better QB. Clemson let him score 6 TD's in that game. They couldn't get off the field that night to save their lives.

He's definitely a better QB. Never seen another do that to Clemson. That 2019 Clemson defense was a huge step back from 2018

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Really dude? Keyboard tough guy much? Is it really necessary to call someone an idiot because they disagree with you? We’re all fans of the same team, we all want the same thing. 

I watched the game as I do all of them. Admittedly I don’t 100% follow every play and I don’t have any type of rewind features so at times I definitely miss things. But again, I’m just tired of hearing the excuses every game. Elite or even above average QBs can compensate for the lack of talent around them, ofcourse there’s probably an extent to that but still.

How do you compensate for dropped passes and fumbles along with a defense that can't get off the field?

The Chiefs receivers a year ago were notorious for drops. Fumble, your referring to the Engram fumble? Or the fact that Trevor has lead the league in lost fumbles for how many years?

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We were down 21-3 before Trevor threw his first TD.


Let that sink in for a second.

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We were down 21-3 before Trevor threw his first TD.


Let that sink in for a second.

The only thing that has sunk is your forced attempt at profundity.

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We were down 21-3 before Trevor threw his first TD.


Let that sink in for a second.

It was 0-0 when he hit GDavis in hands with a perfect throw in the end zone.

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How do you compensate for dropped passes and fumbles along with a defense that can't get off the field?

The Chiefs receivers a year ago were notorious for drops. Fumble, your referring to the Engram fumble? Or the fact that Trevor has lead the league in lost fumbles for how many years?

6 games into this season and TLaw has 0 fumbles and 3 picks.   Mahomes has 6 picks in one less game.   Does Mahones compensate by having a running game andca defense that gets stops and turnovers?

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The Chiefs receivers a year ago were notorious for drops. Fumble, your referring to the Engram fumble? Or the fact that Trevor has lead the league in lost fumbles for how many years?

6 games into this season and TLaw has 0 fumbles and 3 picks.   Mahomes has 6 picks in one less game.   Does Mahones compensate by having a running game andca defense that gets stops and turnovers?

Look at this MNF right now. Allen and to a much lesser extent Rodgers are QBs that just make things happen. They don’t just compensate they elevate the play of others around them, the whole team. Trevor doesn’t have anywhere close to that ability, it’s sad to say but he just doesn’t.

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6 games into this season and TLaw has 0 fumbles and 3 picks.   Mahomes has 6 picks in one less game.   Does Mahones compensate by having a running game andca defense that gets stops and turnovers?

Look at this MNF right now. Allen and to a much lesser extent Rodgers are QBs that just make things happen. They don’t just compensate they elevate the play of others around them, the whole team. Trevor doesn’t have anywhere close to that ability, it’s sad to say but he just doesn’t.

It could be argued that the OC coaching change by the Bills last year helped Allen be a better QB.  As for Rodgers, it could be argued that his love of Nat Hackett is the reason the Jet's offense has been so trash.

Just an FYI, Nat Hackett was our trash OC back in the day.

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We were down 21-3 before Trevor threw his first TD.


Let that sink in for a second.

It was 0-0 when he hit GDavis in hands with a perfect throw in the end zone.

Cool. Thanks for the reminder I guess?

Still doesnt change the fact that he threw his first TD late third.

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It was 0-0 when he hit GDavis in hands with a perfect throw in the end zone.

Cool. Thanks for the reminder I guess?

Still doesnt change the fact that he threw his first TD late third.

Lawrence threw his first TD in the 1st Quarter.  He can't catch the balls he throws.  But he threw a dime to Davis, and his WR let him down.  You can't be this negative about a QB that is doing everything he can to keep this poorly coached team competitive.

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