Bigsby is a bonafide stud and on his way to being a superstar. Oluokun is a superstar. Allen is a superstar and Walker is a very good player…the closer. Engram is an elite TE.

Parker Washington is out here setting team records. Thomas is having the best rookie season in team history. Campbell and Kirk are both very good players.

Walker Little had the best game of his career today. Cleveland and Scherff played well. Harrison can play at the elite level.

Lawrence is elite when they allow him to move the pocket and play loose.

You already got 2 of the best kickers/punters in the league. Probably 1 of the best return men in Washington.

The problem is the secondary as a group. And the DT position ain’t giving you anything.

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Playoffs? I will dig up and reanimate Jim Mora

Playoffs?

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1. Trent Baalke

2. Doug and his loser apprentice.

3. Hire Boselli or another Jag loving EVP that knows about the NFL.

4. Playoffs in 2025

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Seriously, Baalke and Nielsen out now. They're baggage. This team might get focused for the first time this season. If not, oh well. It was just Baalke and Nielsen.

Nielsen isn't the reason the defense is bad. He likes to play man and bring pressure. Ask yourself why the defense looks similar to last year. He is trying to make it work with the players there. Somehow the defense is back to playing bend don't break defense. They aren't aggressive like he ran in Atlanta.

I think it's coming from Doug pushing a conservative approach. If the Jags blitz a lot, they are going to get beat. Hopefully they would force enough mistakes to make it worth it. Doug doesn't seem to want to play aggressive on either side of the ball.

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Doug Pederson not aggressive? In what world are you watching these games?

The defense is bad because they needed to "get bigger and stronger" and the dip [BLEEP] GM brought in one 10 year vet and they still cant push the middle. The defense is bad because the tacking machine is on IR and we're making do with lesser back ups. The defense is bad because the vet CB they brought in had to sub for the #1 CB who's been injured and he's not good enough.

Like always, it's Players not Plays.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Doug Pederson not aggressive? In what world are you watching these games?

The defense is bad because they needed to "get bigger and stronger" and the dip [BLEEP] GM brought in one 10 year vet and they still cant push the middle. The defense is bad because the tacking machine is on IR and we're making do with lesser back ups. The defense is bad because the vet CB they brought in had to sub for the #1 CB who's been injured and he's not good enough.

Like always, it's Players not Plays.

Doug is conservative. No one would call this offense a fast-paced, aggressive offense. Sure he goes for it on 4th a lot but even that has changed in the last few weeks.

The defense doesn't need to be bigger, they need to be faster. The DEs are too slow as it is. The LBs are too slow, not including Miller. The DTs are just bad at rushing the passer and don't fit the scheme.


Great players can hide bad coaching. Great coaching can hide bad players. The Jags have bad coaching and average players. There are obviously GM issues but can't do anything about that during the season.

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Literally a secondary and a DT, if we had a secondary and Big John Henderson we’d be 5-1.

Lawrence, BTJ, Bigsby, Walker are all top 10 players statistically - I know it was surprising to me too, look up their stats. If Travis doesn’t fumble, our secondary could make a stop, and Gabe Davis could catch the ball we are sitting 4-2 at least

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Doug Pederson not aggressive? In what world are you watching these games?

The defense is bad because they needed to "get bigger and stronger" and the dip [BLEEP] GM brought in one 10 year vet and they still cant push the middle. The defense is bad because the tacking machine is on IR and we're making do with lesser back ups. The defense is bad because the vet CB they brought in had to sub for the #1 CB who's been injured and he's not good enough.

Like always, it's Players not Plays.

So why are the Steelers always in the playoff hunt?  How do the Packers always seem to figure out how to be competitive.  How is it that Sean Payton has taken a trash team and figured out how to make a competent team with a rookie QB, even with all their salary troubles?  Why can the Chargers go from a finesse joke of a team to a hard nosed running team that are in the wild card hunt?  How is it that the Commanders all of a sudden look really good, with a rookie QB when they were in shambles last year?  

I mean there are so many obvious things that point to how it's not just players.  It's the coaching and the development and the culture they are working within.  I don't get how anyone can say "It's players not plays".  Coaching is everything in the NFL.  You don't have a good coaching staff that can develop the draft picks you get you just have a bunch of raw college players that won't ever figure out how to excel at the next level.  This isn't high school or college ball.  It's the NFL.  Every player runs fast.  Every player has the strength of the Hulk.  Every player (besides the kicker and punter) a body made of steel.  The teams that are consistently good are the ones that have a staff that can develop those 21 and 22 year olds into NFL players.  

You don't just draft a player and they are a complete NFL star from the get go.  That's not how it works.  The players not plays mantra is so out dated.

Shad said it.  This is the most talented Jaguars roster in our history.  (By "our" I think he meant the history since he's been the owner.  Everyone knows that the 97-99 and the 06-08 teams were more talented)  The problem is that we have the same old mediocre coaching that can't get the best out of the players we have.  It's just that simple.

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We need 3 years to be a playoff team, so to be a consistent playoff team, maybe 6 years

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What a wonderful coincidence that we just happened to play the NFC North this season too… d’oh!

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Doug Pederson not aggressive? In what world are you watching these games?

The defense is bad because they needed to "get bigger and stronger" and the dip [BLEEP] GM brought in one 10 year vet and they still cant push the middle. The defense is bad because the tacking machine is on IR and we're making do with lesser back ups. The defense is bad because the vet CB they brought in had to sub for the #1 CB who's been injured and he's not good enough.

Like always, it's Players not Plays.

So why are the Steelers always in the playoff hunt?  How do the Packers always seem to figure out how to be competitive.  How is it that Sean Payton has taken a trash team and figured out how to make a competent team with a rookie QB, even with all their salary troubles?  Why can the Chargers go from a finesse joke of a team to a hard nosed running team that are in the wild card hunt?  How is it that the Commanders all of a sudden look really good, with a rookie QB when they were in shambles last year?  

I mean there are so many obvious things that point to how it's not just players.  It's the coaching and the development and the culture they are working within.  I don't get how anyone can say "It's players not plays".  Coaching is everything in the NFL.  You don't have a good coaching staff that can develop the draft picks you get you just have a bunch of raw college players that won't ever figure out how to excel at the next level.  This isn't high school or college ball.  It's the NFL.  Every player runs fast.  Every player has the strength of the Hulk.  Every player (besides the kicker and punter) a body made of steel.  The teams that are consistently good are the ones that have a staff that can develop those 21 and 22 year olds into NFL players.  

You don't just draft a player and they are a complete NFL star from the get go.  That's not how it works.  The players not plays mantra is so out dated.

Shad said it.  This is the most talented Jaguars roster in our history.  (By "our" I think he meant the history since he's been the owner.  Everyone knows that the 97-99 and the 06-08 teams were more talented)  The problem is that we have the same old mediocre coaching that can't get the best out of the players we have.  It's just that simple.

The best team the Stillers have beat this year is probably the failcons.

But to better answer your question, the teams/coaches you pointed to have a clear identity. It allows the team to focus their attention to players that fit their mold, and keep building on a proven system. Doesn't hurt that sold out stadia reduce the pressure of casual or fair-weather fans calling for quick changes when anything starts to go south. In the face of disappointment, ownership stays with their coaches and systems because they trust it to work out even if a year or two is down (Hi there, Kenny Pickett!). They don't HAVE to swing for the fences. They can be patient. Look at GB, you have Favre, but Rodgers slides down the board, so grab him and give him a year or two to learn the ropes. Repeat the process with Love.

You don't see them making radical changes every time something doesn't come up roses.

I was going to save my response for the end of thread once I read all the responses, but I think a lot of fans are misguided, too, thinking that if we can GM and/or coach, that we'll immediately be punching our card for the postseason right out the gate. Truth is you aren't going to fire the current group just to bring guys in that are going to build on the foundation they've already established. You're going to change things up. To do that, you're going to modify philosophy. You're going to clean out the roster and build anew. That's gonna come with some wrinkles. In the long run, it could be good, it could undo progress you're seeing made. I have a feeling upheaval will come with growing pains.

We are capable of being a consistent playoff team today. We just have to look at those consistent playoff teams and mimic them - get your identity, and build on it. If we are building an offense that caters to a Tank, don't darft a scatback and wonder why he can't also get 7 YPC barreling into a crowded interior. If you're looking to build a deep passing game, get some monsters that are going to be able to hold a block longer than a finesse blocking system would allow. If we are a blitz-first D, find guys that can cover one-on-one and linemen that can eat blocks to free your speedy blitzers. RFC said it well, too often we haven't had our identity and just started assembling a mishmash of best available players without regard to how they fit into our plans. I get that we paid Trevor a king's ransom to be our future, but if our success comes by being a road-grading, clock-eating, run-first group of slobberknockers, let's do that and put our butts in the tournament every year. I don't know if the current coaches and GM are capable of getting us there, but I also doubt that a regime change will result in immediate fortunes, too.

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So why are the Steelers always in the playoff hunt?  How do the Packers always seem to figure out how to be competitive.  How is it that Sean Payton has taken a trash team and figured out how to make a competent team with a rookie QB, even with all their salary troubles?  Why can the Chargers go from a finesse joke of a team to a hard nosed running team that are in the wild card hunt?  How is it that the Commanders all of a sudden look really good, with a rookie QB when they were in shambles last year?  

I mean there are so many obvious things that point to how it's not just players.  It's the coaching and the development and the culture they are working within.  I don't get how anyone can say "It's players not plays".  Coaching is everything in the NFL.  You don't have a good coaching staff that can develop the draft picks you get you just have a bunch of raw college players that won't ever figure out how to excel at the next level.  This isn't high school or college ball.  It's the NFL.  Every player runs fast.  Every player has the strength of the Hulk.  Every player (besides the kicker and punter) a body made of steel.  The teams that are consistently good are the ones that have a staff that can develop those 21 and 22 year olds into NFL players.  

You don't just draft a player and they are a complete NFL star from the get go.  That's not how it works.  The players not plays mantra is so out dated.

Shad said it.  This is the most talented Jaguars roster in our history.  (By "our" I think he meant the history since he's been the owner.  Everyone knows that the 97-99 and the 06-08 teams were more talented)  The problem is that we have the same old mediocre coaching that can't get the best out of the players we have.  It's just that simple.

The best team the Stillers have beat this year is probably the failcons.

But to better answer your question, the teams/coaches you pointed to have a clear identity. It allows the team to focus their attention to players that fit their mold, and keep building on a proven system. Doesn't hurt that sold out stadia reduce the pressure of casual or fair-weather fans calling for quick changes when anything starts to go south. In the face of disappointment, ownership stays with their coaches and systems because they trust it to work out even if a year or two is down (Hi there, Kenny Pickett!). They don't HAVE to swing for the fences. They can be patient. Look at GB, you have Favre, but Rodgers slides down the board, so grab him and give him a year or two to learn the ropes. Repeat the process with Love.

You don't see them making radical changes every time something doesn't come up roses.

I was going to save my response for the end of thread once I read all the responses, but I think a lot of fans are misguided, too, thinking that if we can GM and/or coach, that we'll immediately be punching our card for the postseason right out the gate. Truth is you aren't going to fire the current group just to bring guys in that are going to build on the foundation they've already established. You're going to change things up. To do that, you're going to modify philosophy. You're going to clean out the roster and build anew. That's gonna come with some wrinkles. In the long run, it could be good, it could undo progress you're seeing made. I have a feeling upheaval will come with growing pains.

We are capable of being a consistent playoff team today. We just have to look at those consistent playoff teams and mimic them - get your identity, and build on it. If we are building an offense that caters to a Tank, don't darft a scatback and wonder why he can't also get 7 YPC barreling into a crowded interior. If you're looking to build a deep passing game, get some monsters that are going to be able to hold a block longer than a finesse blocking system would allow. If we are a blitz-first D, find guys that can cover one-on-one and linemen that can eat blocks to free your speedy blitzers. RFC said it well, too often we haven't had our identity and just started assembling a mishmash of best available players without regard to how they fit into our plans. I get that we paid Trevor a king's ransom to be our future, but if our success comes by being a road-grading, clock-eating, run-first group of slobberknockers, let's do that and put our butts in the tournament every year. I don't know if the current coaches and GM are capable of getting us there, but I also doubt that a regime change will result in immediate fortunes, too.

The key to the teams you mentioned is the OWNER has the vision of what he wants.  He hires a coach to execute that.  You do not hire a coach and let him execute his vision. 
I believe Kahn has begun to understand that.

At the end of the day football is a physical game. Anyone who tells you different is blowing smoke up your skirt. Facing someone like this I would put one hand on my wallet, keep my back to the wall and politely excuse myself. On 3rd and 1 whoever is the biggest, baddest and more physical wins.

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The best team the Stillers have beat this year is probably the failcons.

But to better answer your question, the teams/coaches you pointed to have a clear identity. It allows the team to focus their attention to players that fit their mold, and keep building on a proven system. Doesn't hurt that sold out stadia reduce the pressure of casual or fair-weather fans calling for quick changes when anything starts to go south. In the face of disappointment, ownership stays with their coaches and systems because they trust it to work out even if a year or two is down (Hi there, Kenny Pickett!). They don't HAVE to swing for the fences. They can be patient. Look at GB, you have Favre, but Rodgers slides down the board, so grab him and give him a year or two to learn the ropes. Repeat the process with Love.

You don't see them making radical changes every time something doesn't come up roses.

I was going to save my response for the end of thread once I read all the responses, but I think a lot of fans are misguided, too, thinking that if we can GM and/or coach, that we'll immediately be punching our card for the postseason right out the gate. Truth is you aren't going to fire the current group just to bring guys in that are going to build on the foundation they've already established. You're going to change things up. To do that, you're going to modify philosophy. You're going to clean out the roster and build anew. That's gonna come with some wrinkles. In the long run, it could be good, it could undo progress you're seeing made. I have a feeling upheaval will come with growing pains.

We are capable of being a consistent playoff team today. We just have to look at those consistent playoff teams and mimic them - get your identity, and build on it. If we are building an offense that caters to a Tank, don't darft a scatback and wonder why he can't also get 7 YPC barreling into a crowded interior. If you're looking to build a deep passing game, get some monsters that are going to be able to hold a block longer than a finesse blocking system would allow. If we are a blitz-first D, find guys that can cover one-on-one and linemen that can eat blocks to free your speedy blitzers. RFC said it well, too often we haven't had our identity and just started assembling a mishmash of best available players without regard to how they fit into our plans. I get that we paid Trevor a king's ransom to be our future, but if our success comes by being a road-grading, clock-eating, run-first group of slobberknockers, let's do that and put our butts in the tournament every year. I don't know if the current coaches and GM are capable of getting us there, but I also doubt that a regime change will result in immediate fortunes, too.

The key to the teams you mentioned is the OWNER has the vision of what he wants.  He hires a coach to execute that.  You do not hire a coach and let him execute his vision. 
I believe Kahn has begun to understand that.

At the end of the day football is a physical game. Anyone who tells you different is blowing smoke up your skirt. Facing someone like this I would put one hand on my wallet, keep my back to the wall and politely excuse myself. On 3rd and 1 whoever is the biggest, baddest and more physical wins.

Really? 

So you think Rooney is telling Tomlin what scheme to run? 
You think Sheila Ford is telling Dan Campbell what his coaching philosophy should be? 
You think the Hunt family sat down Andy Reid and told him what he'd do differently in KC opposed to Philly? 

I think the typical methodology is for an owner to hire a GM he trusts well enough to lead the HC hiring process and convince the owner of who the right coach would be for their roster and its development/augmentation. 

Then that coach should absolutely be left to bring their vision of the team to reality. 
If they can't - you got the wrong coach or couldn't get him enough viable pieces. 

Having an owner dictate to a FO and coach what the team's identity is going to be sounds like a Jerry Jones and Jim Irsay prescription drug fueled nightmare.

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The key to the teams you mentioned is the OWNER has the vision of what he wants.  He hires a coach to execute that.  You do not hire a coach and let him execute his vision. 
I believe Kahn has begun to understand that.

At the end of the day football is a physical game. Anyone who tells you different is blowing smoke up your skirt. Facing someone like this I would put one hand on my wallet, keep my back to the wall and politely excuse myself. On 3rd and 1 whoever is the biggest, baddest and more physical wins.

Really? 

So you think Rooney is telling Tomlin what scheme to run? 
You think Sheila Ford is telling Dan Campbell what his coaching philosophy should be? 
You think the Hunt family sat down Andy Reid and told him what he'd do differently in KC opposed to Philly? 

I think the typical methodology is for an owner to hire a GM he trusts well enough to lead the HC hiring process and convince the owner of who the right coach would be for their roster and its development/augmentation. 

Then that coach should absolutely be left to bring their vision of the team to reality. 
If they can't - you got the wrong coach or couldn't get him enough viable pieces. 

Having an owner dictate to a FO and coach what the team's identity is going to be sounds like a Jerry Jones and Jim Irsay prescription drug fueled nightmare.

What we have here is a GM who wants to dictate to the coach what the identity will be and he drafts and signs players that aren't always the best fit. If, as is being reported, Neilsen was a Trent hire rather than a Pederson one that all the more shows how the GM wants to really be the head coach.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Really? 

So you think Rooney is telling Tomlin what scheme to run? 
You think Sheila Ford is telling Dan Campbell what his coaching philosophy should be? 
You think the Hunt family sat down Andy Reid and told him what he'd do differently in KC opposed to Philly? 

I think the typical methodology is for an owner to hire a GM he trusts well enough to lead the HC hiring process and convince the owner of who the right coach would be for their roster and its development/augmentation. 

Then that coach should absolutely be left to bring their vision of the team to reality. 
If they can't - you got the wrong coach or couldn't get him enough viable pieces. 

Having an owner dictate to a FO and coach what the team's identity is going to be sounds like a Jerry Jones and Jim Irsay prescription drug fueled nightmare.

What we have here is a GM who wants to dictate to the coach what the identity will be and he drafts and signs players that aren't always the best fit. If, as is being reported, Neilsen was a Trent hire rather than a Pederson one that all the more shows how the GM wants to really be the head coach.

There are so many wild rumors flying around about Baalke - and they derive from years of ire by a segment of the fanbase - that I just don't put stock in any of those rumors. At all. No way to know which have any merit at all. 

What I DO know is that the mandate from ownership that Pederson and Baalke make personnel decisions together is not working out in terms of scheme fits/identity/cohesion etc way too often. 

Despite all of that - the team HAS actually acquired a decent collection of talent. They just look like the clown segment of the show at the three ring circus way too often. Someone has to answer for that after 3 seasons. 

I'd love to see a capable GM with a clear vision that is aligned with a capable HC he trusts -- but so would 20 other NFL teams right now. Not easy to make happen, but if they can find a way this offseason, I'm all in. 

What I don't want is an owner telling his executives and coaches how they are going to do the football things. Hold them accountable - but let the football guys do the football things.

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The key to the teams you mentioned is the OWNER has the vision of what he wants.  He hires a coach to execute that.  You do not hire a coach and let him execute his vision. 
I believe Kahn has begun to understand that.

At the end of the day football is a physical game. Anyone who tells you different is blowing smoke up your skirt. Facing someone like this I would put one hand on my wallet, keep my back to the wall and politely excuse myself. On 3rd and 1 whoever is the biggest, baddest and more physical wins.

Really? 

So you think Rooney is telling Tomlin what scheme to run? 
You think Sheila Ford is telling Dan Campbell what his coaching philosophy should be? 
You think the Hunt family sat down Andy Reid and told him what he'd do differently in KC opposed to Philly? 

I think the typical methodology is for an owner to hire a GM he trusts well enough to lead the HC hiring process and convince the owner of who the right coach would be for their roster and its development/augmentation. 

Then that coach should absolutely be left to bring their vision of the team to reality. 
If they can't - you got the wrong coach or couldn't get him enough viable pieces. 

Having an owner dictate to a FO and coach what the team's identity is going to be sounds like a Jerry Jones and Jim Irsay prescription drug fueled nightmare.

Actually yes. The Steelers have always been a hard hitting physical team. This is what the Rooney's want and they have consistently employed coaches to execute this. The Hunt family surely sat down and agreed with Andy Reid approving the direction. Otherwise they would not hire them. How far into the process of this being achieved varies greatly among the current owners. Bringing up Jerry Jones and Jim Irsay is pointing out one end of the spectrum. I do believe the statement by Baalkie that we need to get bigger and stronger was after a conversation with Kahn during a review. His and Doug's future with the team depends on accomplishing this and a few other things. Otherwise he will get someone else to do it. 

The the owner is not captive of the head coach/GM he employs. They do not tell the owners the overall direction of HIS team.

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Really? 

So you think Rooney is telling Tomlin what scheme to run? 
You think Sheila Ford is telling Dan Campbell what his coaching philosophy should be? 
You think the Hunt family sat down Andy Reid and told him what he'd do differently in KC opposed to Philly? 

I think the typical methodology is for an owner to hire a GM he trusts well enough to lead the HC hiring process and convince the owner of who the right coach would be for their roster and its development/augmentation. 

Then that coach should absolutely be left to bring their vision of the team to reality. 
If they can't - you got the wrong coach or couldn't get him enough viable pieces. 

Having an owner dictate to a FO and coach what the team's identity is going to be sounds like a Jerry Jones and Jim Irsay prescription drug fueled nightmare.

Actually yes. The Steelers have always been a hard hitting physical team. This is what the Rooney's want and they have consistently employed coaches to execute this. The Hunt family surely sat down and agreed with Andy Reid approving the direction. Otherwise they would not hire them. How far into the process of this being achieved varies greatly among the current owners. Bringing up Jerry Jones and Jim Irsay is pointing out one end of the spectrum. I do believe the statement by Baalkie that we need to get bigger and stronger was after a conversation with Kahn during a review. His and Doug's future with the team depends on accomplishing this and a few other things. Otherwise he will get someone else to do it. 

The the owner is not captive of the head coach/GM he employs. They do not tell the owners the overall direction of HIS team.

I respectfully disagree.  I think these owners hire these coaches knowing their visions align. 
They don't hire them and tell them to change what they do well. 

Recipe for disaster IMO - unless your owner is a true football guy. 

And I disagree on the "bigger in then trenches" comments and direction as well.

I think that was 100% Baalke taking jabs at Pederson's ZBS and Doug's strong desire for ultra athletic linemen. I doubt Khan had anything to do with it.

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Actually yes. The Steelers have always been a hard hitting physical team. This is what the Rooney's want and they have consistently employed coaches to execute this. The Hunt family surely sat down and agreed with Andy Reid approving the direction. Otherwise they would not hire them. How far into the process of this being achieved varies greatly among the current owners. Bringing up Jerry Jones and Jim Irsay is pointing out one end of the spectrum. I do believe the statement by Baalkie that we need to get bigger and stronger was after a conversation with Kahn during a review. His and Doug's future with the team depends on accomplishing this and a few other things. Otherwise he will get someone else to do it. 

The the owner is not captive of the head coach/GM he employs. They do not tell the owners the overall direction of HIS team.

I respectfully disagree.  I think these owners hire these coaches knowing their visions align. 
They don't hire them and tell them to change what they do well. That is what I said above (first 5 sentences)  We agree there.

Recipe for disaster IMO - unless your owner is a true football guy. It doesn't take a football guy to see the big guys pushing our little guys around (quote from my 93 year old mom)

And I disagree on the "bigger in then trenches" comments and direction as well. Since this was the annual "State of the Jaguars" report I do not agree Shad and Tony didn't have input on this. Jabbing Doug during this speech would only be a political loss for Baalkie in the Kahn's eyes. (basic psychology)  Baalkie is going to manage the way it is acceptable to Kahn or get his paycheck somewhere else.


I think that was 100% Baalke taking jabs at Pederson's ZBS and Doug's strong desire for ultra athletic linemen. I doubt Khan had anything to do with it.

At the end of the day no biggie. Disagreeing is at times quite good. ...

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I respectfully disagree.  I think these owners hire these coaches knowing their visions align. 
They don't hire them and tell them to change what they do well. That is what I said above (first 5 sentences)  We agree there.

Recipe for disaster IMO - unless your owner is a true football guy. It doesn't take a football guy to see the big guys pushing our little guys around (quote from my 93 year old mom)

And I disagree on the "bigger in then trenches" comments and direction as well. Since this was the annual "State of the Jaguars" report I do not agree Shad and Tony didn't have input on this. Jabbing Doug during this speech would only be a political loss for Baalkie in the Kahn's eyes. (basic psychology)  Baalkie is going to manage the way it is acceptable to Kahn or get his paycheck somewhere else.


I think that was 100% Baalke taking jabs at Pederson's ZBS and Doug's strong desire for ultra athletic linemen. I doubt Khan had anything to do with it.

At the end of the day no biggie. Disagreeing is at times quite good. ...

No, I need to see name calling and proverbially dunking on each other.  I always pop a bag of popcorn before I log on here.

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At the end of the day no biggie. Disagreeing is at times quite good. ...

No, I need to see name calling and proverbially dunking on each other.  I always pop a bag of popcorn before I log on here.

We actually conspired to do this to you. (alcohol was involved) ...

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A new broom always sweeps clean.