The difference is they went to a higher risk scheme without adequately getting the right guys to play it, then the ones that matter the most (Tyson and Foye) have been injured.

Tyson was injured last year as well along with Cisco, Hamilton etc.  The difference is Nielsen sucks as a DC.  I'd take Caldwell over Nielsen any day

This team is about to go 2-10…. By the end of this Balke will be gone… Doug will be gone .. Nielsen will be gone… this is about money now … owner invested too much for it to be this bad. It’s a matter of now can we make the right hire after.. our future depends on this next hire.

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The problem isn't coaching, it's talent.

When you don't have the defensive talent to be able to stop the run or rush the passer without asking it to do either of those things them you can't do anything.

The Jaguars have had a talent deficit at every position on the team except for offensive skill players for years.

A coaches job is to put his players in positions to be most effective, and to motivate them to give effort consistently throughout the game.

Do the Jags players play in the right position to make stops or make plays?

Do the Jags players play with effort throughout the entire game?

The answer to both of those is "no". 

So what are the Jags coaches good for?

How could they be better positioned? The defensive line and linebackers can't stop the run so the coach has to try to coach the secondary will enough to be able to recognize when they actually need to get back instead of crashing down to stop the run, then hope they do it right.

You're asking for the impossible. Last year caldwell had the same problems Nielson is having once guys got injured. This year it's not injury, is that they had to let go of players because of salary cap.

It all comes back to Baalke, you need a GM that can find young talent that fits the team's scheme. Baalke has only occasionally incidentally done that, and that's why the defense can't even stop backup QBs.

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Tyson was injured last year as well along with Cisco, Hamilton etc.  The difference is Nielsen sucks as a DC.  I'd take Caldwell over Nielsen any day

This team is about to go 2-10…. By the end of this Balke will be gone… Doug will be gone .. Nielsen will be gone… this is about money now … owner invested too much for it to be this bad. It’s a matter of now can we make the right hire after.. our future depends on this next hire.

While he may have invested a lot, he sure is profiting a lot. He does say the right things though, we'll see but my hopes are pretty low.

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Tyson was injured last year as well along with Cisco, Hamilton etc.  The difference is Nielsen sucks as a DC.  I'd take Caldwell over Nielsen any day

Of course it's that simple to you.

It's comical you use injury excuses for Nielsen yet the 2 guys you named both played today.  They played week 1 as well when Tua put up over 300 yards passing.  There were more injuries on D last year than we have had this year. The first half of last season before the injuries really started to pile on we led the league in turnovers.  Caldwell did a much better job than what we have seen from Nielsen and we had a much better D.  Also the player that has filled in for Foye this year when he was out has been one of our best players on D.

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Of course it's that simple to you.

It's comical you use injury excuses for Nielsen yet the 2 guys you named both played today.  They played week 1 as well when Tua put up over 300 yards passing.  There were more injuries on D last year than we have had this year. The first half of last season before the injuries really started to pile on we led the league in turnovers.  Caldwell did a much better job than what we have seen from Nielsen and we had a much better D.  Also the player that has filled in for Foye this year when he was out has been one of our best players on D.

No, it's your simplistic analysis that's comical.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Our last 'elite' defense was the 99-2000 season.  Period. 2017 was fools gold.  And its not a coincidence that we had an elite DC back then in Dom Capers.

Yes capers was great.

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Dougs dumb [BLEEP] fired the wrong coordinator last year. We would be much better off right now if we kept Mike Caldwell and fired Press

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Of course it's that simple to you.

It's comical you use injury excuses for Nielsen yet the 2 guys you named both played today.  They played week 1 as well when Tua put up over 300 yards passing.  There were more injuries on D last year than we have had this year. The first half of last season before the injuries really started to pile on we led the league in turnovers.  Caldwell did a much better job than what we have seen from Nielsen and we had a much better D.  Also the player that has filled in for Foye this year when he was out has been one of our best players on D.

Yeah miller and Walker have been  the bright spots

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If we had a real establishment dc. If only

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This team is about to go 2-10…. By the end of this Balke will be gone… Doug will be gone .. Nielsen will be gone… this is about money now … owner invested too much for it to be this bad. It’s a matter of now can we make the right hire after.. our future depends on this next hire.

While he may have invested a lot, he sure is profiting a lot. He does say the right things though, we'll see but my hopes are pretty low.

Business is business.. he invested a lot more than he stands to profit if the team stays status quo… he came out and said what he did for a reason, he has suites and tickets to sell. Once this team hits where we all know this is going he will have no choice. Is mathematics. The bottom line now is can we restructure correctly after this regime is gone. We will
Be 2-10 and that is uncorrectable

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Dougs dumb [BLEEP] fired the wrong coordinator last year.  We would be much better off right now if we kept Mike Caldwell and fired Press

Facts. Doug too close to his guy to fire him.

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Dougs dumb [BLEEP] fired the wrong coordinator last year.  We would be much better off right now if we kept Mike Caldwell and fired Press

To be fair, most of the reports of who made the calls to fire Caldwell and then choosing Nielsen were on Baalke. Not Doug.

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Dougs dumb [BLEEP] fired the wrong coordinator last year.  We would be much better off right now if we kept Mike Caldwell and fired Press

To be fair, most of the reports of who made the calls to fire Caldwell and then choosing Nielsen were on Baalke. Not Doug.

It doesn’t matter .. the good thing is at this point they are both tied to it . They are both at fault and will pay the price.

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Our last 'elite' defense was the 99-2000 season.  Period. 2017 was fools gold.  And its not a coincidence that we had an elite DC back then in Dom Capers.

John Henderson, Marcus Stroud, Paul Spicer, Darryl Smith, Mike Peterson, and Rashean Mathis say Welcome to Duval prepare to get hit.

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Dougs dumb [BLEEP] fired the wrong coordinator last year.  We would be much better off right now if we kept Mike Caldwell and fired Press

To be fair, most of the reports of who made the calls to fire Caldwell and then choosing Nielsen were on Baalke. Not Doug.

Doug said he picks his coaches

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/sport...156156007/

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While he may have invested a lot, he sure is profiting a lot. He does say the right things though, we'll see but my hopes are pretty low.

Business is business.. he invested a lot more than he stands to profit if the team stays status quo… he came out and said what he did for a reason, he has suites and tickets to sell. Once this team hits where we all know this is going he will have no choice. Is mathematics. The bottom line now is can we restructure correctly after this regime is gone. We will
Be 2-10 and that is uncorrectable

Most of the profit is from shared revenue. He will do just fine with continued losing seasons. 

But I do agree with your bottom line statement, I just truly don't think Baalke is going anywhere.

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If we had a real establishment dc. If only

It's weird how Nielsen was a great DC with the Saints, then again last year with the Falcons, yet comes here and suddenly just doesn't know how to coach.

It's also interesting that those defenses had 40+ sacks on the year.

Almost like there's a key something here that isn't the same. 

A "big and strong" something even.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Our last 'elite' defense was the 99-2000 season.  Period. 2017 was fools gold.  And its not a coincidence that we had an elite DC back then in Dom Capers.

I don't think 2017 was fools gold. It was just predicated on a group of really talented players who all stayed healthy and many having one of their career years at the same time. Also because so many of them were at the end of their rookie deals or FA's, you couldn't really keep them together when injuries or performance fluctuations started to happen in 2018.

To have a longer stretch of elite defenses, you need a great-to-good schemer, at least one position coach that can develop above average starters out of players gotten cheap, and drafting at least a few all pro level talents. Especially in this era of the NFL.

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It’s way to easy to pass the ball in this defense and no blitzing hardly ever

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It’s way to easy to pass the ball in this defense and no blitzing hardly ever

Front 4 are ghosts.

And the 7 bozo backup D-linemen behind them.

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