Let's not forget that the Jaguars D saved this offense for the entire 1st half...

I'm not saying we don't get rid of Neilsen.  I'm just saying that this Jaguar D held the Packers to 13 points while Dougie and his boy's offense pissed all down their leg for 20 game time minutes.  You have to give credit to the players on D.  Yeah, the secondary is suspect.  But the players on D over-all are good enough to keep the game close. 

We got an INT in the red zone for crying out loud.  The D did the best they could do for as long as they could do it.  My question is this.  Why would Neilsen not realize that once Love was out of the game that they should focus on their RB??????

It's just bad coaching, guys.  It's obvious.

Agree completely with you up until the very last point.

It is bad coaching, but those turnovers - the interception AND fumble - were solely on the player who committed those errors. And that led to 14 straight points to the Packers after they got amazing field position.

The defense did it's thing for most of the game outside of the very last drive, but those turnovers by TLaw and the 14 points scored in a span of 1:15 do not fall on the defense, given the position they were put in.

And yeah, Jarrian made a tremendous interception only for it to be given right back to the Packers unfortunately.

Jags problems = Players + Coaching

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That's something we really struggled with today. We can make stops when we know what the O will do but really struggle when having to play the pass and run. Once Love went out, we suddenly struggled with the run with Jacobs and Willis scrambling. We finally adjusted and started going selling out on run D and the Packers were just trying to chew clock

The final drive they hit us with a run, we sell out and they have a wide open WR.

As for the D. I don't know if it's Nielsen, the players, the system, execution. Feels all over the above but we're 8 weeks in now and I see things getting worse or fixing whatever the issues are.

I hope you're noticing my focus and level-headed opinions on the defense right now, because I know sometimes most of the hardcore Trevor supporters would say things like "defense does bad -> doesn't get blamed; offense does bad -> Trevor gets blamed".

I'm equal opportunity here with my criticisms, but I will also say that Trevor indeed was a major portion of this loss with those terrible turnovers. But I'll just leave it with our discourse in the massive TLaw thread.

I am and I wasn't saying you only blame Trevor. I have a lot of respect for you and often agree with your assessments. I just think we're in different positions on Trevor.

With the D, I just find myself at a loss to pinpoint one or two things that are easy fixes. I definitely agree with your comments about us being slow. We play soft coverage and really struggle once WR's make a move. 

I do think we're stuck in a tough spot on the D. The players and system aren't working together. You can't change the system and you can't change the players.

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Let's not forget that the Jaguars D saved this offense for the entire 1st half...

I'm not saying we don't get rid of Neilsen.  I'm just saying that this Jaguar D held the Packers to 13 points while Dougie and his boy's offense pissed all down their leg for 20 game time minutes.  You have to give credit to the players on D.  Yeah, the secondary is suspect.  But the players on D over-all are good enough to keep the game close. 

We got an INT in the red zone for crying out loud.  The D did the best they could do for as long as they could do it.  My question is this.  Why would Neilsen not realize that once Love was out of the game that they should focus on their RB??????

It's just bad coaching, guys.  It's obvious.

It's not just coaching. Some of the players have been awful this year. This is where the frustration is. Is it players not working/understanding the system which is causing problems? Is the system bad and hanging players out to dry? This isn't a D filled with rookies and UFA'S. There's talent on this D.

Here's where I struggle with your post. The D should be able to stop teams. It's literally their job. I'm not saying they should have shutouts every game but the expectations should be more than we didn't give up a TD on this drive. They rarely get turnovers, we don't get many sacks. 

Let's just look at the last 4 games.

Colts- 447 Total yards and 35 points
Bears- 373 total yards and 35 points
Patriots- 295 total yards and 16 points 
Packers- 422 total yards and 30 points.

You say the D did the best they could do for as long as they could. We still gave up over 400yds and 30 points. I personally feel we should expect more from a D.

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I personally think this, Nielsen is a problem yes. His rotations up front make no sense in critical situations early in the game. But also Baalke failed this team. He knew what the weaknesses were and who we lost and did not address it. He had no vision for this d. They both are terrible and will go

But do you think you need to blow up the entire D?

That's my real point.  Neilsen is not good, but I think there are players on the D at every level that can make this D great over 1 offseason with the right GM and the right DC.

I think as far as every level is concerned . Trevon and Josh are still good ball playes… as of now no one else up front is… we signed Armstead in a situation where it looks like his best is behind. And also we refuse to use him like he should be on important downs. 

Oluekon is and véntelo shows promise 


Tyson in secondary yes, but anyone else … not very good.

Bottom line coaching is not there and Talent is not there in critical spots especially  at DT and in secondary. And it’s not even close. All parties need to go

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The defense did it's thing for most of the game outside of the very last drive, but those turnovers by TLaw and the 14 points scored in a span of 1:15 do not fall on the defense, given the position they were put in.

And yeah, Jarrian made a tremendous interception only for it to be given right back to the Packers unfortunately.

Jags problems = Players + Coaching

It's possible this is just worded strangely creating the opportunity for confusion but the first 7 points in that 1:15 span fall entirely on the defense. 

The two short fields the defense were dealt this game, which were in different halves, were not their fault. Although on the first one the packers got it at the 30. That's not a gimme TD.

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He needs to go. One of the current defensive position coaches can take his spot. What's the worst that could happen the rest of the season? Why not give it a shot.

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Let's not forget that the Jaguars D saved this offense for the entire 1st half...

I'm not saying we don't get rid of Neilsen.  I'm just saying that this Jaguar D held the Packers to 13 points while Dougie and his boy's offense pissed all down their leg for 20 game time minutes.  You have to give credit to the players on D.  Yeah, the secondary is suspect.  But the players on D over-all are good enough to keep the game close. 

We got an INT in the red zone for crying out loud.  The D did the best they could do for as long as they could do it.  My question is this.  Why would Neilsen not realize that once Love was out of the game that they should focus on their RB??????

It's just bad coaching, guys.  It's obvious.

Agree completely with you up until the very last point.

It is bad coaching, but those turnovers - the interception AND fumble - were solely on the player who committed those errors. And that led to 14 straight points to the Packers after they got amazing field position.

The defense did it's thing for most of the game outside of the very last drive, but those turnovers by TLaw and the 14 points scored in a span of 1:15 do not fall on the defense, given the position they were put in.

And yeah, Jarrian made a tremendous interception only for it to be given right back to the Packers unfortunately.

Jags problems = Players + Coaching

I hope you're noticing my focus and level-headed opinions on the defense right now, because I know sometimes most of the hardcore Trevor supporters would say things like "defense does bad -> doesn't get blamed; offense does bad -> Trevor gets blamed".

I'm equal opportunity here with my criticisms, but I will also say that Trevor indeed was a major portion of this loss with those terrible turnovers. But I'll just leave it with our discourse in the massive TLaw thread.

I am and I wasn't saying you only blame Trevor. I have a lot of respect for you and often agree with your assessments. I just think we're in different positions on Trevor.

With the D, I just find myself at a loss to pinpoint one or two things that are easy fixes. I definitely agree with your comments about us being slow. We play soft coverage and really struggle once WR's make a move. 

I do think we're stuck in a tough spot on the D. The players and system aren't working together. You can't change the system and you can't change the players.

Let's not forget that the Jaguars D saved this offense for the entire 1st half...

I'm not saying we don't get rid of Neilsen.  I'm just saying that this Jaguar D held the Packers to 13 points while Dougie and his boy's offense pissed all down their leg for 20 game time minutes.  You have to give credit to the players on D.  Yeah, the secondary is suspect.  But the players on D over-all are good enough to keep the game close. 

We got an INT in the red zone for crying out loud.  The D did the best they could do for as long as they could do it.  My question is this.  Why would Neilsen not realize that once Love was out of the game that they should focus on their RB??????

It's just bad coaching, guys.  It's obvious.

It's not just coaching. Some of the players have been awful this year. This is where the frustration is. Is it players not working/understanding the system which is causing problems? Is the system bad and hanging players out to dry? This isn't a D filled with rookies and UFA'S. There's talent on this D.

Here's where I struggle with your post. The D should be able to stop teams. It's literally their job. I'm not saying they should have shutouts every game but the expectations should be more than we didn't give up a TD on this drive. They rarely get turnovers, we don't get many sacks. 

Let's just look at the last 4 games.

Colts- 447 Total yards and 35 points
Bears- 373 total yards and 35 points
Patriots- 295 total yards and 16 points 
Packers- 422 total yards and 30 points.

You say the D did the best they could do for as long as they could. We still gave up over 400yds and 30 points. I personally feel we should expect more from a D.

But do you think you need to blow up the entire D?

That's my real point.  Neilsen is not good, but I think there are players on the D at every level that can make this D great over 1 offseason with the right GM and the right DC.

I think as far as every level is concerned . Trevon and Josh are still good ball playes… as of now no one else up front is… we signed Armstead in a situation where it looks like his best is behind. And also we refuse to use him like he should be on important downs. 

Oluekon is and véntelo shows promise 


Tyson in secondary yes, but anyone else … not very good.

Bottom line coaching is not there and Talent is not there in critical spots especially  at DT and in secondary. And it’s not even close. All parties need to go

Just to be clear, I'm not saying that it's all on the coaches either.  Baalke has made many, many mistakes.  And he's drafted players that do not  But I will argue that the majority of the issue is the coaches.

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Hire someone who can call blitzes.

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The defense did it's thing for most of the game outside of the very last drive, but those turnovers by TLaw and the 14 points scored in a span of 1:15 do not fall on the defense, given the position they were put in.

And yeah, Jarrian made a tremendous interception only for it to be given right back to the Packers unfortunately.

Jags problems = Players + Coaching

It's possible this is just worded strangely creating the opportunity for confusion but the first 7 points in that 1:15 span fall entirely on the defense. 

The two short fields the defense were dealt this game, which were in different halves, were not their fault. Although on the first one the packers got it at the 30. That's not a gimme TD.

Nope, it's all Trevor's fault. If he weren't so terrible the defense could stop Tom Brady from constantly sneaking on the field just to get yet another game against this defense.

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Let's not forget that the Jaguars D saved this offense for the entire 1st half...

I'm not saying we don't get rid of Neilsen.  I'm just saying that this Jaguar D held the Packers to 13 points while Dougie and his boy's offense pissed all down their leg for 20 game time minutes.  You have to give credit to the players on D.  Yeah, the secondary is suspect.  But the players on D over-all are good enough to keep the game close. 

We got an INT in the red zone for crying out loud.  The D did the best they could do for as long as they could do it.  My question is this.  Why would Neilsen not realize that once Love was out of the game that they should focus on their RB??????

It's just bad coaching, guys.  It's obvious.

Agree completely with you up until the very last point.

It is bad coaching, but those turnovers - the interception AND fumble - were solely on the player who committed those errors. And that led to 14 straight points to the Packers after they got amazing field position.

The defense did it's thing for most of the game outside of the very last drive, but those turnovers by TLaw and the 14 points scored in a span of 1:15 do not fall on the defense, given the position they were put in.

And yeah, Jarrian made a tremendous interception only for it to be given right back to the Packers unfortunately.

Jags problems = Players + Coaching

Since when is getting the ball at the 28 yard line an automatic touchdown?  Plenty of defenses would have held them to a field goal.

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Agree completely with you up until the very last point.

It is bad coaching, but those turnovers - the interception AND fumble - were solely on the player who committed those errors. And that led to 14 straight points to the Packers after they got amazing field position.

The defense did it's thing for most of the game outside of the very last drive, but those turnovers by TLaw and the 14 points scored in a span of 1:15 do not fall on the defense, given the position they were put in.

And yeah, Jarrian made a tremendous interception only for it to be given right back to the Packers unfortunately.

Jags problems = Players + Coaching

Since when is getting the ball at the 28 yard line an automatic touchdown?  Plenty of defenses would have held them to a field goal.

The offense hadn't generated a first down for almost half the game. Yeah those defenses who would have held them, im sure werent on the field 99% the time.

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The only players worthy of retaining on this defense imo are Tyson Campbell, Ventrell Miller, and Foye Oluokun.

So you want to trade Walker and JHA?  

Buster Brown is looking good too.  Muma and Lloyd are serviceable and make for good depth.  

This D has the talent on all 3 levels.  They are just not being used properly.  I agree that Neilsen isn't the right DC for this squad.  I just don't think it's time to blow up the entire D roster.  This is a reload situation, not a revamp situation.

I agree that those 5 highlighted in red are good players, but that's 5 players.  You have 11 starters on defense.  That means over half of our defensive starters are no good.  That's a lack of talent.  Baalke needs to go.

Don't get me wrong.  I think we should fire our coaching staff too.  Two things can be true.  The team lacks talent and the team could use better coaches.  I'm not sure why people always think it's either/or.  When a team is this bad, there's usually a lot of blame to go around.

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Fire everyone  except  Jaxson-deville,and our 2 kickers. 

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note titans owner means im undeafted againest them. 

Since when is getting the ball at the 28 yard line an automatic touchdown?  Plenty of defenses would have held them to a field goal.

The offense hadn't generated a first down for almost half the game. Yeah those defenses who would have held them, im sure werent on the field 99% the time.

If you want to blame being tired for the defensive failure, fine.  However, that's still a defensive failure.  Getting the ball at the 28 yard line is not an automatic touchdown.  That was the original point being made.  It does fall on the defense.

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The problem was ANOTHER blown coverage at the end of a winnable game.

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Fire him, and figure out a way to get another quality starter at CB, and get a veteran at safety.

Spend in free agency at the defensive tackle position. Hamilton ain’t it, and neither is Armstead.

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Our blitzes are russian roulette.. but with only 1 empty chamber
Either we generate enough pressure to force a incompleteness or we give up a Td or a fiest down in a 3rd and long

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All I know is I’m sick of seeing Armstead and whoever else playing DE while Allen and Walker are off the field half the time. No wonder they aren’t getting what we expected out of those two.

And now this is 2 games where we needed one final stop by the def and they secondary blew it.

Plus the [BLEEP] DOG on the field goal (ST no Neilson I know) but [BLEEP] man.

If there is a way to lose a game, we can be damn sure we’ll find it

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

Was Atlanta's defense this bad last season?


Is it a positional coach thing?  Injuries?   

Not sure if an in season assistant coach firing is going to have any impact.  Defense has been questionable from the second game.

What I do know is that you don't win crap without a good defense.

This was my thinking too....compare our roster presently to theirs last year. What is causing the massive dropoff?

I just can't figure out how a team that had no offense in ATL could be so good as to warrant the hype this guy got. We are clearly a better (on paper, mind you) roster, but they just seem to have no idea how the basics of defensive football play operate.

Maybe Calais is just that damn good.

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