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Offseason objectives

#21
(This post was last modified: 10-27-2024, 06:11 PM by Jag88.)

(10-27-2024, 05:16 PM)carp8dm Wrote: I'm just glad everyone realized that Doug has to go.  That's the first step. 

I really want the DC from the Lions.  You pay that man.  You pay that man and let him build his coaching staff. 

I honestly like the idea of Boselli being the EVP.  He knows the history of the Jaguars and he has passion for the city.  We are honestly just a HC and front office away from being great for the next 10 years.


Doug screwed himself. He had something good going here. We all know why.
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(10-27-2024, 05:43 PM)carp8dm Wrote: Baalke has made some bad choices.  But the team Baalke put together is not a 2-6 team.  This is a 2-6 team because of the lack of leadership and passion from the HC.

Problem is Baalke clearly isn't on the same page as the coaching staff. Defensively we've been putting square pegs in round holes since he has been there. And it's as bad as ever this season.

Can't keep Baalke. Have to start fresh with new GM and head coach who are completely in sync.


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(10-27-2024, 06:37 PM)rfc17 Wrote:
(10-27-2024, 05:43 PM)carp8dm Wrote: Baalke has made some bad choices.  But the team Baalke put together is not a 2-6 team.  This is a 2-6 team because of the lack of leadership and passion from the HC.

Problem is Baalke clearly isn't on the same page as the coaching staff. Defensively we've been putting square pegs in round holes since he has been there. And it's as bad as ever this season.

Can't keep Baalke. Have to start fresh with new GM and head coach who are completely in sync.


Balkie is maybe better than what we have had around here, but that’s not good enough.
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#24

(10-27-2024, 06:40 PM)Jag88 Wrote:
(10-27-2024, 06:37 PM)rfc17 Wrote: Problem is Baalke clearly isn't on the same page as the coaching staff. Defensively we've been putting square pegs in round holes since he has been there. And it's as bad as ever this season.

Can't keep Baalke. Have to start fresh with new GM and head coach who are completely in sync.


Balkie is maybe better than what we have had around here, but that’s not good enough.

Baalke is part of the problem.

But the main problem is the trash coaching staff.  And that falls on Dougie and his boy.

The thing is, Baalke can't continue to be the GM.  Potential Head Coaches don't want to work with Baalke.  So we get rid of him.  

But there is another thing that some folks don't want to accept.  Dougie is not a legit HC.  He's old, lazy, and has not passion to lead a football team.  I've been saying it for 2 seasons now.  Doug isn't willing to be a HC the way that other HC's are coaching.  I mean, it's obvious.  Everyone sees is.

Just pull off the band-aide.  We have so much talent on this team. We have so much potential.  Just get the right leadership here and we're gonna get a Super Bowl.  But Dougie and his boy aren't getting us there.
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(10-27-2024, 06:52 PM)carp8dm Wrote:
(10-27-2024, 06:40 PM)Jag88 Wrote: Balkie is maybe better than what we have had around here, but that’s not good enough.

Baalke is part of the problem.

But the main problem is the trash coaching staff.  And that falls on Dougie and his boy.

The thing is, Baalke can't continue to be the GM.  Potential Head Coaches don't want to work with Baalke.  So we get rid of him.  

But there is another thing that some folks don't want to accept.  Dougie is not a legit HC.  He's old, lazy, and has not passion to lead a football team.  I've been saying it for 2 seasons now.  Doug isn't willing to be a HC the way that other HC's are coaching.  I mean, it's obvious.  Everyone sees is.

Just pull off the band-aide.  We have so much talent on this team. We have so much potential.  Just get the right leadership here and we're gonna get a Super Bowl.  But Dougie and his boy aren't getting us there.
Bingo. Baalke has to go because he’s a snake and no good HC will want to come here.
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#26
(This post was last modified: 10-27-2024, 07:38 PM by mikesez. Edited 1 time in total.)

I'd give Jim Bob Cooter a call.
After I had an EVP in place.
But I'd try to get someone who coached here already, left on good terms, and likes the city and sees themselves fitting in as part of it. Not another "there's only 32 teams" mercenary.
And that goes for EVP and GM also.
My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.
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#27

You either find a package deal gm/coach combo or you pick the gm first and let them get the coach who has the same vision they do. Don't pick the coach first and independently of the gm.

Having a front office and coaching staff on the exact same page is critical. They have to be in lock step.


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#28
(This post was last modified: 10-27-2024, 07:51 PM by Jag88.)

The thing is this team is good enough to STILL go on a run, and that would save gm and coaches, so there is that.
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#29

(10-27-2024, 07:50 PM)Jag88 Wrote: The thing is this team is good enough to STILL go on a run, and that would save gm and coaches, so there is that.

There was a replay where Press came up to Lawrence to talk to him, and Lawrence stopped smiling.  

Press is trash, and Lawrence knows it.  I hope Lawrence has the guts enough to tell Shad that this HC and OC are not good enough, and he needs real help.
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#30
(This post was last modified: 10-28-2024, 07:47 AM by Mikey.)

(10-27-2024, 04:19 PM)enigma Wrote: Wonder how much a one-armed Kirk will yield.

an open faced ham sammich? If he was like Matt Jones and tried to catch everything one-handed, he might avoid IR even!

(10-27-2024, 05:13 PM)Caldrac Wrote: Yep. Needs to be either Ben Johnson and Ray Agnew or Bobby Slowik and James Liipfert.

Defensively I wouldn't mind seeing this staff pursue somebody like Jim Leonhard. Was a good defensive coach and interim head coach at Wisconsin. Is now coaching the secondary in Denver under Sean Payton.

If not him, maybe go after Jim Knowles out of Ohio St. or Phil Parker out of Iowa.

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....nobody out of OSU, please. We don't need any more post-game jaunts to the chop house, thanks.
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#31
(This post was last modified: 10-28-2024, 07:56 AM by Mikey.)

(10-27-2024, 05:16 PM)carp8dm Wrote: I'm just glad everyone realized that Doug has to go.  That's the first step. 

I really want the DC from the Lions.  You pay that man.  You pay that man and let him build his coaching staff. 

I honestly like the idea of Boselli being the EVP.  He knows the history of the Jaguars and he has passion for the city.  We are honestly just a HC and front office away from being great for the next 10 years.

Honestly can anyone say the offense has been the problem the past few weeks?

Nielsen needs to take a page from Doug and simplify his playcalls to fit his units. They just make boneheaded plays or faceplant because they're so badly out of position. We can't get sacks out of one of the best tandems in the league, and that's all unforgiveable. This was a very winnable game, but the D offered it up on a silver platter. Stupid delay penalty at the half, criminally blown coverage late, that ain't on Doug, Press, or TB.

Just saying don't get your gasts all flabbered when Shad let's Doug have one more go at things.

(10-27-2024, 06:37 PM)rfc17 Wrote:
(10-27-2024, 05:43 PM)carp8dm Wrote: Baalke has made some bad choices.  But the team Baalke put together is not a 2-6 team.  This is a 2-6 team because of the lack of leadership and passion from the HC.

Problem is Baalke clearly isn't on the same page as the coaching staff. Defensively we've been putting square pegs in round holes since he has been there. And it's as bad as ever this season.

Can't keep Baalke. Have to start fresh with new GM and head coach who are completely in sync.

...shouldn't a capable DC be able to figure out how to square those holes out to fit his pegs, though?

We force no turnovers. We don't sack the QB. We don't stop 3rds and long. We commit egregious errors in the most critical moments. That's not even a matter of who you're bringing in. It's squarely (SWIDT?) on the coach.
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#32

(10-27-2024, 07:58 PM)carp8dm Wrote:
(10-27-2024, 07:50 PM)Jag88 Wrote: The thing is this team is good enough to STILL go on a run, and that would save gm and coaches, so there is that.

There was a replay where Press came up to Lawrence to talk to him, and Lawrence stopped smiling.  

Press is trash, and Lawrence knows it.  I hope Lawrence has the guts enough to tell Shad that this HC and OC are not good enough, and he needs real help.

bah gawd help us if the franchise QB doesn't get serious when it's time to take care of business. This is so very desperate grasping at straws to confirm a preconceived notion.

I joke around at work plenty, but when the boss gathers the crew in the room to discuss plans and policy, you bet your bippy I am all ears and focused solely on their input.
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#33

(10-28-2024, 08:00 AM)Mikey Wrote:
(10-27-2024, 07:58 PM)carp8dm Wrote: There was a replay where Press came up to Lawrence to talk to him, and Lawrence stopped smiling.  

Press is trash, and Lawrence knows it.  I hope Lawrence has the guts enough to tell Shad that this HC and OC are not good enough, and he needs real help.

bah gawd help us if the franchise QB doesn't get serious when it's time to take care of business. This is so very desperate grasping at straws to confirm a preconceived notion.

I joke around at work plenty, but when the boss gathers the crew in the room to discuss plans and policy, you bet your bippy I am all ears and focused solely on their input.

Meanwhile, play calling looks just fine when players execute correctly the play that's been called.

I also find it interesting that carp didn't mention one time that every person watching the game yesterday knew that the pack was going to run Josh Jacobs and yet, miraculously, this foreknowledge did not prevent them from being successful at it, not one iota. Almost like the play calling is secondary to the skill of the players executing it. But boy, is Matt La Fleur an amazing and innovative play caller what with 20 runs up between the tackles for 125 yards and enough time for his terrible QB to make a grilled cheese sandwich in the pocket until his receivers get wide open on pass plays, lol.
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(10-28-2024, 09:43 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(10-28-2024, 08:00 AM)Mikey Wrote: bah gawd help us if the franchise QB doesn't get serious when it's time to take care of business. This is so very desperate grasping at straws to confirm a preconceived notion.

I joke around at work plenty, but when the boss gathers the crew in the room to discuss plans and policy, you bet your bippy I am all ears and focused solely on their input.

Meanwhile, play calling looks just fine when players execute correctly the play that's been called.

I also find it interesting that carp didn't mention one time that every person watching the game yesterday knew that the pack was going to run Josh Jacobs and yet, miraculously, this foreknowledge did not prevent them from being successful at it, not one iota. Almost like the play calling is secondary to the skill of the players executing it. But boy, is Matt La Fleur an amazing and innovative play caller what with 20 runs up between the tackles for 125 yards and enough time for his terrible QB to make a grilled cheese sandwich in the pocket until his receivers get wide open on pass plays, lol.

I’ve been critical of a lot of the game plans here but this is very true.
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#35

This team has skill for a flag football league. The physical and positions that produce consistent performance are ignored.

It wouldn't take much to straighten out the team that is the sad state
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(10-28-2024, 09:51 AM)MoJagFan Wrote: This team has skill for a flag football league. The physical and positions that produce consistent performance are ignored.

It wouldn't take much to straighten out the team that is the sad state

"We have to get bigger and stronger", I heard that somewhere before...
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(10-28-2024, 07:52 AM)Mikey Wrote: .

(10-27-2024, 06:37 PM)rfc17 Wrote: Problem is Baalke clearly isn't on the same page as the coaching staff. Defensively we've been putting square pegs in round holes since he has been there. And it's as bad as ever this season.

Can't keep Baalke. Have to start fresh with new GM and head coach who are completely in sync.

...shouldn't a capable DC be able to figure out how to square those holes out to fit his pegs, though?

We force no turnovers. We don't sack the QB. We don't stop 3rds and long. We commit egregious errors in the most critical moments. That's not even a matter of who you're bringing in. It's squarely (SWIDT?) on the coach.

Baalke hired that DC. If he is the type of coach that can only be successful with his type of players running his type of scheme, how was that not figured out during the interview process? Did Baalke do any due diligence? 

"Hey Ryan, we're gonna run with only two DEs this year. What does that mean for you?" 

"Well I like to rotate my dline a lot so we'll likely see a lots of plays where I've got 4 DTs on the field at once." 

"Great you're hired"

Goes back to the key problem. There isn't a core foundational vision shared by front office and coaching staff of who this team is, what is their identity, and how they want to play. Nothing is in alignment. That's how you end up with Nielson, who isn't a bad coach, trying to run a scheme that doesn't fit the skillset of our players.  Terrible match from a terribly run organization.


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Only one problem: Shad
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(10-28-2024, 12:19 PM)rfc17 Wrote:
(10-28-2024, 07:52 AM)Mikey Wrote: .


...shouldn't a capable DC be able to figure out how to square those holes out to fit his pegs, though?

We force no turnovers. We don't sack the QB. We don't stop 3rds and long. We commit egregious errors in the most critical moments. That's not even a matter of who you're bringing in. It's squarely (SWIDT?) on the coach.

Baalke hired that DC. If he is the type of coach that can only be successful with his type of players running his type of scheme, how was that not figured out during the interview process? Did Baalke do any due diligence? 

"Hey Ryan, we're gonna run with only two DEs this year. What does that mean for you?" 

"Well I like to rotate my dline a lot so we'll likely see a lots of plays where I've got 4 DTs on the field at once." 

"Wonderful, I've got my eye on a couple guys to bring in. One's nearly 7 feet tall, can you imagine what his other numbers are going to look like? The others? Man, you should see the measurements on these kids. Big and long and thick and powerful! We're gonna do big things together buddy, and I do mean BIG things!" "Great you're hired"

Goes back to the key problem. There isn't a core foundational vision shared by front office and coaching staff of who this team is, what is their identity, and how they want to play. Nothing is in alignment. That's how you end up with Nielson, who isn't a bad coach, trying to run a scheme that doesn't fit the skillset of our players.  Terrible match from a terribly run organization.

FTFY.
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(10-28-2024, 12:19 PM)rfc17 Wrote:
(10-28-2024, 07:52 AM)Mikey Wrote: .


...shouldn't a capable DC be able to figure out how to square those holes out to fit his pegs, though?

We force no turnovers. We don't sack the QB. We don't stop 3rds and long. We commit egregious errors in the most critical moments. That's not even a matter of who you're bringing in. It's squarely (SWIDT?) on the coach.

Baalke hired that DC. If he is the type of coach that can only be successful with his type of players running his type of scheme, how was that not figured out during the interview process? Did Baalke do any due diligence? 

"Hey Ryan, we're gonna run with only two DEs this year. What does that mean for you?" 

"Well I like to rotate my dline a lot so we'll likely see a lots of plays where I've got 4 DTs on the field at once." 

"Great you're hired"

Goes back to the key problem. There isn't a core foundational vision shared by front office and coaching staff of who this team is, what is their identity, and how they want to play. Nothing is in alignment. That's how you end up with Nielson, who isn't a bad coach, trying to run a scheme that doesn't fit the skillset of our players.  Terrible match from a terribly run organization.
People have begun saying this a lot lately. 

Where is this information coming from? 
Who informed you that Pederson did not choose his own coordinator? 
Is there an actual credible report of this? 

Again - I'm not defending anyone in this organization right now because they collectively can't find a way to win winnable football games. 

BUT - this is the truth about the coaching staff hires and this comment came right after the team hired Ryan Nielsen:

Quote:When asked about the comments, Baalke did not deny any discussions about that part of the team's offense but did say that Pederson owns the coaching staff and that he supports him.

“Again, Coach [Pederson] and I, and ownership, we talk throughout the year and we’ve talked about everything. Those discussions will remain private, but at the end of the day, like I said, Coach owns the coaching staff. He’s held responsible for that coaching staff. I can tell you this, I have supported every decision that he makes, one hundred percent," said Baalke.


Also - everyone and their brother loved Nielsen as a hire based on his small sample running the falcons defense for a year and everyone from his prior stop praised him as more than qualified. 
Every write up about the guy painted him to be a "Don Martindale-lite" type of DC and everyone seemed to want that badly. 

If we're going to come up with criticism of the hire, it should be that Pederson saw a flash in the pan and thought it was gold but it turned out not to be. 

They thought this guy was smart enough to manufacture more pressure from the front we had in place + Armstead.
They were wrong.
They thought they could add two vets and a rookie to the secondary and give him what he needed to play more man coverage.
They were wrong and they got all the wrong guys for him outside of Jarrion Jones who is looking like he'll be a very good nickel.
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