I don't mean to be a jack [BLEEP]

But isn't this thread just regurgitated info that has been discussed in multiple other threads the past 6 months lol

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I don't mean to be a jack [BLEEP]

But isn't this thread just regurgitated info that has been discussed in multiple other threads the past 6 months lol

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Lawrence is a below average QB getting paid like an elite one.  That has not changed in my book and not moving any goalpost.  I always have stated he is very inconsistent so catch up. 

What is your point?  If your point is Lawrence is a good QB that I an others are wrong? Feel free to believe that but because you drink the kool-aid, I'm not drinking it.

By what metric is he "below average".   He's currently tied for 10th in TD passes, which is really good considering he's had at least 5 dropped and the fact that the defense has given him a short field only once this year.

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I don't mean to be a jack [BLEEP]

But isn't this thread just regurgitated info that has been discussed in multiple other threads the past 6 months lol

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Goldilocks  syndrome

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

That's bonkers and you know it. We don't want Trevor turtling up or holding back passes for fear of a random failure. Dude did plenty to keep us in the game in spite of his pick and fumble.

The fact you missed is the fumble put the opponents right on the goal line and the pick was deep in our own territory.  This directly lead to 14 points.  The real backbreaker was the defense finally created a turnover only for the QB to give the ball right back. Imagine how demoralized they feel after they finally got off the field and a couple plays later they are right back on it. 

The defense does stank but

The offense stanks too

Mahomes put the opponent on the 3 yard line.  JAllen put the opponent on the 7 yard line.  Looks like TLaw is in good company.

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4 picks and 1 fumble 8 weeks in is leading the league?  Lol

I'm talking about his career. Oh and if you want to play that game

Lawrence has thrown 11 Td's in 7 games and on pace for about 23 on the year.  A supposed star QB in 2024 having 23 TD's on the year?  C'mon man.

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Do you not find it weird that a QB they think sucks and is the reason we lost gets them so angry every week?

Almost like they actually believe in him and have hope and expectations.

Lawrence is the worst kind of tease.

Lawrence will have a game or two that will make you fall in love. He then will have a run of stinkers that will just break your heart.  I remember that people use to argue that Lawrence was better than Herbert.  I can tell you that Herbert is better by a country mile.

I do not think that people want to hate Lawrence.  Hell, I would love to not have to comment on him.  He just routinely does not make the game winning play or makes the game losing play.  

Herbert is better by a country mile?!? Wow. That's a BOLD take right there. What exactly has Herbert done with a much better roster? Trevor literally beat him in the playoffs. This is what I find so crazy. People are more than willing to ignore all the negatives of other QB's but we judge ours purely on those. Such a grass is greener attitude at times on here.

I mean we were up 14 against the Colts, surprisingly the D gave up 2 TD scores in 3 minutes and Trevor takes us down the field for the game winning FG. We were down 10 in the 4th Q Sunday and Trevor drove down for a game tieing TD with backup WR's and then the D gave up a huge drive. Hell he came back from 27 points down to beat Herbert, who's better by a country mile

Saying he makes 'game losing plays'. That right there is what's wrong with people's insistence on blaming every L on Trevor. He doesn't win games with one play and he doesn't lose games with one play. It's a team game, all 3 phases play a part over 60 minutes. 

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it, Trevor is not even in the top 20 problems we have right now.

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I'm talking about his career. Oh and if you want to play that game

Lawrence has thrown 11 Td's in 7 games and on pace for about 23 on the year.  A supposed star QB in 2024 having 23 TD's on the year?  C'mon man.

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Lawrence is the worst kind of tease.

Lawrence will have a game or two that will make you fall in love. He then will have a run of stinkers that will just break your heart.  I remember that people use to argue that Lawrence was better than Herbert.  I can tell you that Herbert is better by a country mile.

I do not think that people want to hate Lawrence.  Hell, I would love to not have to comment on him.  He just routinely does not make the game winning play or makes the game losing play.  

Herbert is better by a country mile?!? Wow. That's a BOLD take right there. What exactly has Herbert done with a much better roster? Trevor literally beat him in the playoffs. This is what I find so crazy. People are more than willing to ignore all the negatives of other QB's but we judge ours purely on those. Such a grass is greener attitude at times on here.

I mean we were up 14 against the Colts, surprisingly the D gave up 2 TD scores in 3 minutes and Trevor takes us down the field for the game winning FG. We were down 10 in the 4th Q Sunday and Trevor drove down for a game tieing TD with backup WR's and then the D gave up a huge drive. Hell he came back from 27 points down to beat Herbert, who's better by a country mile

Saying he makes 'game losing plays'. That right there is what's wrong with people's insistence on blaming every L on Trevor. He doesn't win games with one play and he doesn't lose games with one play. It's a team game, all 3 phases play a part over 60 minutes. 

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it, Trevor is not even in the top 20 problems we have right now.

Preach.

The complete meltdown by some die hards, who are respected posters is the result of a poorly managed roster.  Caldrac and many others want to blame the players when it's clear that the coaching is completely failing us.  Not just the coaching, but the GM too.

But to flail around and try to blame our QB, a QB that has done so well this season is complete PTSD.  This fanbase, me included, have all lost our minds.  It's just a complete [BLEEP] show.  But to blame Lawrence for the fact that this organization has failed him shows how crazy things have gotten.

I just want back the week 3 Caldrac....  The guy that had positive things to say.  Come back, bro.  It's not Lawrence.  It's management.  It's been management for the last 2 seasons.

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Herbert is better by a country mile?!? Wow. That's a BOLD take right there. What exactly has Herbert done with a much better roster? Trevor literally beat him in the playoffs. This is what I find so crazy. People are more than willing to ignore all the negatives of other QB's but we judge ours purely on those. Such a grass is greener attitude at times on here.

I mean we were up 14 against the Colts, surprisingly the D gave up 2 TD scores in 3 minutes and Trevor takes us down the field for the game winning FG. We were down 10 in the 4th Q Sunday and Trevor drove down for a game tieing TD with backup WR's and then the D gave up a huge drive. Hell he came back from 27 points down to beat Herbert, who's better by a country mile

Saying he makes 'game losing plays'. That right there is what's wrong with people's insistence on blaming every L on Trevor. He doesn't win games with one play and he doesn't lose games with one play. It's a team game, all 3 phases play a part over 60 minutes. 

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it, Trevor is not even in the top 20 problems we have right now.

  Come back, bro.  It's not Lawrence.  It's management.  It's been management for the last 2 seasons.

Some of you are cult like in your love for Lawrence.

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Herbert is better by a country mile?!? Wow. That's a BOLD take right there. What exactly has Herbert done with a much better roster? Trevor literally beat him in the playoffs. This is what I find so crazy. People are more than willing to ignore all the negatives of other QB's but we judge ours purely on those. Such a grass is greener attitude at times on here.

I mean we were up 14 against the Colts, surprisingly the D gave up 2 TD scores in 3 minutes and Trevor takes us down the field for the game winning FG. We were down 10 in the 4th Q Sunday and Trevor drove down for a game tieing TD with backup WR's and then the D gave up a huge drive. Hell he came back from 27 points down to beat Herbert, who's better by a country mile

Saying he makes 'game losing plays'. That right there is what's wrong with people's insistence on blaming every L on Trevor. He doesn't win games with one play and he doesn't lose games with one play. It's a team game, all 3 phases play a part over 60 minutes. 

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it, Trevor is not even in the top 20 problems we have right now.

Preach.

The complete meltdown by some die hards, who are respected posters is the result of a poorly managed roster.  Caldrac and many others want to blame the players when it's clear that the coaching is completely failing us.  Not just the coaching, but the GM too.

But to flail around and try to blame our QB, a QB that has done so well this season is complete PTSD.  This fanbase, me included, have all lost our minds.  It's just a complete [BLEEP] show.  But to blame Lawrence for the fact that this organization has failed him shows how crazy things have gotten.

I just want back the week 3 Caldrac....  The guy that had positive things to say.  Come back, bro.  It's not Lawrence.  It's management.  It's been management for the last 2 seasons.

I can understand the meltdown. The Urban experience was brutal. Doug comes in, we have a magical run and a playoff win. Start the next year 8-3 and it looked like finally, FINALLY we had turned the corner. Then the collapse happened and we discussed to death the reasons why it happened but this year was supposed to be an angry team and a hungry team that would set the record straight.

And we are right back in the [BLEEP] times again. How? How did it happen? It's Doug, it's Baalke, it's Trevor, it's the players. We're all at a loss as to how the season has gone like this. Fans are angry, they're frustrated, they want to point fingers, they want a fall guy. 

Personally, I'm so angry with the D but I can't for the life of me work out what the exact problem is. Is it Nielsen? Is it the system? The players? Execution? 'Bigger and stronger'? Effort? Locker room issues? All of the above? I'm just left scratching my head at how it's got like this.

But your completely right when you say it's Trevor that almost automatically becomes the 'reason' we lost. Any mistake or missed play was huge and something we struggled to overcome. Everyone makes a mistake at some point. Drops, penalties, fumbles, broken tackles, blown coverages, it all contributes but Trevor time and time again becomes the first thing we need to talk about.

The frustrating thing for me is look at the amount of pages the Lawrence thread gets when we win. Maybe 2 or 3. After an L? Pushing 10-15.

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  Come back, bro.  It's not Lawrence.  It's management.  It's been management for the last 2 seasons.

Some of you are cult like in your love for Lawrence.

You've always been fair when analysing Trevor remember!!

Ridiculous.

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Maybe someday you'll be brave enough to answer my argument about why this thread is asinine? Or do we just assume you have no answer so you're going to ignore the fact that this thread is tHe Stupidz?

I already know your a blind Homer so no point in arguing with you. It's not about brave it's about lowering my IQ to be on your level. I said what I said and stick to it. The results on the field and in the win column prove who is correct.  Many including myself were scratching my head at that Lawrence contract. Outside of his suppose talent he didn't do much to earn it.  Josh Allen has had only 2 good years in his career and the first one was thanks to Calais . Josh Allen is proving and has proved in the past that he is not a dominant edge rusher that scare's defense's. He may not get 8 sacks this year and flat out vanishes during games. Right now he is not playing anywhere near his contract.  I do not even know what your point?  You are saying they were wise to Give Lawrence and Allen the bank despite both showed inconsistency in their game?  Good luck with that point of view but I disagree.

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It's the perfect response to your delusion.  It's OK for Mahomes to throw a pick inside his own 10 yard late in the 3rd and up by 4 because he knows his defense is good.

TLaw is a clown for attempting to escape the pocket when his 3 IL fail to block 2 DL and he gets the ball knocked out.   

Yeah, I'm going to LOL hysterically at that logic.  

ALL QB's are going to have turnovers, and sometimes they happen at the worst time.  This even happens to the "elite" ones.  Prove me wrong.  You can't.

All Qb's lead the league by far in turnovers and routinely make turnovers at the worst time? Too many Lawrence Homer's in this thread.

Dude, you're [BLEEP] about paying guys with expired contracts too soon. Shut the hell up with this nonsense.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Hines-Allen had a monster season with 17.5 sacks (should have been 18.5) in 2023 and cashed in. He’s proven that he can be a premier rusher off the edge. One of the biggest issues is DT and a franchise-worst secondary.

Hines-Allen could play the next 5 seasons with this same defense and probably wouldn’t get 20 sacks combining all 5 years. No matter what happens in the draft or free agency, the Jaguars have to do something at CB and/or Safety. Jones is a nickel. Brown is a backup, Johnson has had a rough year, and Cisco can’t keep up when the defense calls for man vs man. Either change the personnel or change the scheme but something has to be done. As of right now, I don’t think Cisco has a spot next year.

Word on the street is the Jaguars are still looking for a quality DT which would fix all 3 levels quicker than anything. Armstead is a joke.

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Sad to say but I wish the board would go down again so I don't have to read some of the dumbest [BLEEP] I've ever seen in my life on here.

Yup, Trevor is the problem yea ok... Some of you are brain dead as all [BLEEP] (and that's the sad because I'm directing that to some posters on here I actually like, but sadly it's true..). Sorry but that's the fact of the matter. Keep trying to run Trevor off because this Franchise is absolutely done if he's gone. Those are the facts, idiots. This Franchise will be DEAD and I'd bet my life on that.

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Hines-Allen had a monster season with 17.5 sacks (should have been 18.5) in 2023 and cashed in. He’s proven that he can be a premier rusher off the edge. One of the biggest issues is DT and a franchise-worst secondary.

Hines-Allen could play the next 5 seasons with this same defense and probably wouldn’t get 20 sacks combining all 5 years. No matter what happens in the draft or free agency, the Jaguars have to do something at CB and/or Safety. Jones is a nickel. Brown is a backup, Johnson has had a rough year, and Cisco can’t keep up when the defense calls for man vs man. Either change the personnel or change the scheme but something has to be done. As of right now, I don’t think Cisco has a spot next year.

Word on the street is the Jaguars are still looking for a quality DT which would fix all 3 levels quicker than anything. Armstead is a joke.

I do not believe Armstead has played inside (DT) at all this season. He has been playing D end.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Hines-Allen had a monster season with 17.5 sacks (should have been 18.5) in 2023 and cashed in. He’s proven that he can be a premier rusher off the edge. One of the biggest issues is DT and a franchise-worst secondary.

Hines-Allen could play the next 5 seasons with this same defense and probably wouldn’t get 20 sacks combining all 5 years. No matter what happens in the draft or free agency, the Jaguars have to do something at CB and/or Safety. Jones is a nickel. Brown is a backup, Johnson has had a rough year, and Cisco can’t keep up when the defense calls for man vs man. Either change the personnel or change the scheme but something has to be done. As of right now, I don’t think Cisco has a spot next year.

Word on the street is the Jaguars are still looking for a quality DT which would fix all 3 levels quicker than anything. Armstead is a joke.

I do not believe Armstead has played inside (DT) at all this season. He has been playing D end.

Armstead has played inside this season.

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Hines-Allen had a monster season with 17.5 sacks (should have been 18.5) in 2023 and cashed in. He’s proven that he can be a premier rusher off the edge. One of the biggest issues is DT and a franchise-worst secondary.

Hines-Allen could play the next 5 seasons with this same defense and probably wouldn’t get 20 sacks combining all 5 years. No matter what happens in the draft or free agency, the Jaguars have to do something at CB and/or Safety. Jones is a nickel. Brown is a backup, Johnson has had a rough year, and Cisco can’t keep up when the defense calls for man vs man. Either change the personnel or change the scheme but something has to be done. As of right now, I don’t think Cisco has a spot next year.

Word on the street is the Jaguars are still looking for a quality DT which would fix all 3 levels quicker than anything. Armstead is a joke.

I do not believe Armstead has played inside (DT) at all this season. He has been playing D end.

He has played DT this season, but few and far between. The only time he has made any play was inside at DT this season. Walker and JHA are the only true DEs we have on this roster right now. If they aren't on the field we basically just line up 4 DTs. It's [BLEEP] pathetic and people wonder why there's no pass rush. This Defense is so broken and god awful. Far and away the worst in the league and it isn't even close.

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Defensive Coordinator not only going to be fired, but he might not ever call a NFL defense ever again. It’s that bad.

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I already know your a blind Homer so no point in arguing with you. It's not about brave it's about lowering my IQ to be on your level. I said what I said and stick to it. The results on the field and in the win column prove who is correct.

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All Qb's lead the league by far in turnovers and routinely make turnovers at the worst time? Too many Lawrence Homer's in this thread.

4 picks and 1 fumble 8 weeks in is leading the league?  Lol

that's not the selective stat that supports the narrative bias. Get on the same page.

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Maybe it’s better that the board breaks down every week so we don’t have to have the TLaw discourse every day……

Hey Trevor. I know you were the first QB to crack 300 on the Packers and you did a lot of that without your top 2 WRs and you led the team back to tie the game only to see the worst defense in the league blow it once again but hey…. You suck!

Do you not find it weird that a QB they think sucks and is the reason we lost gets them so angry every week?

Almost like they actually believe in him and have hope and expectations.

Seeking a scapegoat to hang your frustrations upon is understandable. When you scape the wrong goat, though, you look foolish.

For as much criticism as the kid gets, which QBs do you think are capable of keeping us in the game in spite of the errors? There's not many, and NONE of them are available. There's a lot of QBs on his level, and they have their faults just the same. Perhaps the personal expectation is causing the personal anger. IOW, if one is expecting perfection, one is certain to be disappointed.

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4 picks and 1 fumble 8 weeks in is leading the league?  Lol

I'm talking about his career. Oh and if you want to play that game

Lawrence has thrown 11 Td's in 7 games and on pace for about 23 on the year.  A supposed star QB in 2024 having 23 TD's on the year?  C'mon man.

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Do you not find it weird that a QB they think sucks and is the reason we lost gets them so angry every week?

Almost like they actually believe in him and have hope and expectations.

Lawrence is the worst kind of tease.

Lawrence will have a game or two that will make you fall in love. He then will have a run of stinkers that will just break your heart.  I remember that people use to argue that Lawrence was better than Herbert.  I can tell you that Herbert is better by a country mile.

I do not think that people want to hate Lawrence.  Hell, I would love to not have to comment on him.  He just routinely does not make the game winning play or makes the game losing play.  

....That throw to Engram could have been the highlight you're looking for if the D weren't completely incompetent. Is partial incompetence too high a bar for expectation?

If not for the sieve of Defense that allows offenses to score at will, we wouldn't NEED TLaw to be throwing game winners every. single. Sunday. How many times a season do the Allens, Mahomeses and Jacksons have to pull a rabbit outta their backside? (BTW Lamar failed to pull off a game winner this very Sunday, and their fans could equally put the blame squarely on that D for blowing it, WAY much more reasonably than upon Jackson's shoulders)

You want a superhero. The shield isn't a comic book.

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That's bonkers and you know it. We don't want Trevor turtling up or holding back passes for fear of a random failure. Dude did plenty to keep us in the game in spite of his pick and fumble.

The fact you missed is the fumble put the opponents right on the goal line and the pick was deep in our own territory.  This directly lead to 14 points.  The real backbreaker was the defense finally created a turnover only for the QB to give the ball right back. Imagine how demoralized they feel after they finally got off the field and a couple plays later they are right back on it. 

The defense does stank but

The offense stanks too

I didn't miss dook.

If you look at the grand equation, the balance sheet that is our team FAR too often the D is putting us in a position where he has to be a football GOD just to keep up. Those turnovers hurt, and I get that. But cripes almighty that same kid tied the game with a minute left, we gave the D 70 yards and sixty-odd seconds to hold a backup QB, and we let them walk right down the field in one play.

The offense manages to undo their errors. The defense does not. You think our offense might look any better if the D could consistently get off the field in under 5 plays? Or played with a lead for a change?

If Tlaw doesn't commit either one of those turnovers, sure, yeah, the game MAY have been winnable. But then again, we can butterfly effect everything and then Love is the one with the chance to tie with a minute to go because he never hurts himself. You think our D is shutting him down? You think if a team NEEDS to find a way to eke out a few points against our D, they can't?

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