He’s the kind of QB where we have to through weird cherry-picked stats just to defend his performance

Instead of his play on the field just doing that all on its own

People see what they want to see.  I think it is time to move on myself but there is too much money invested now. Baalke really did put this team between a rock and a hard place.

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He’s the kind of QB where we have to through weird cherry-picked stats just to defend his performance

Instead of his play on the field just doing that all on its own

People see what they want to see.  I think it is time to move on myself but there is too much money invested now. Baalke really did put this team between a rock and a hard place.

Move on to who????
This qb class is nothing exciting,  maybe outside of cam ward MAYBE

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When the game is on the line, Count on Lawrence to turn the ball over

Yeah it sucked when he threw that pick in the end zone last week

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Cry me a River, Injuries happen in the NFL.

Yah they do. And even the QBs better then Lawrence put up worse numbers with injuries like this

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People see what they want to see.  I think it is time to move on myself but there is too much money invested now. Baalke really did put this team between a rock and a hard place.

Move on to who????
This qb class is nothing exciting,  maybe outside of cam ward MAYBE

Every year there is always some prospect most of the media has not heard about that breaks out into the NFL.  However, staying the same course and asking for different results is just hopeful wishing. He had that magical run in 2022. That same QB for whatever reason is not playing for the Jaguars. He is young but that doesn't guarantee anything.  This is year 4, how many years do you keep making excuses.  He is what he is.

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Dammit Trevor. Oh well. It gets Doug fired quicker

How many head coaches to you think TL will get fired before he’s dumped?  I say just UM and DP.  The next coach will ride out the mandatory part of TL’s contract and then try another rebuild around another QB.

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not going to lie... that was a crazy play call to win the game you throw to your 3rd string rb in the endzone? wow lol.

Every pass play has multiple options, it's up to the QB to decide which option he'll throw to.

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Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

We play with panic. That last drive we played with panic and fear as if we couldn’t even believe ourselves that we had a great chance to
Win the game.
Terrible play calling, terrible decision making, and a terrible throw in the end.

I’m tired. Tired of watching this. Tired of hoping. It’s whatever.

If Trevor ends up being a perennial all pro - I am obviously thrilled.

But if he doesn’t, and if he stays what he is now - I’m also fine with it. Screw it. Not worth worrying about anymore.

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Dammit Trevor. Oh well. It gets Doug fired quicker

How many head coaches to you think TL will get fired before he’s dumped?  I say just UM and DP.  The next coach will ride out the mandatory part of TL’s contract and then try another rebuild around another QB.

You cannot honestly be blaming Lawrence for the Urban Meyer year?

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How many head coaches to you think TL will get fired before he’s dumped?  I say just UM and DP.  The next coach will ride out the mandatory part of TL’s contract and then try another rebuild around another QB.

You cannot honestly be blaming Lawrence for the Urban Meyer year?

Yes. We’ve hit rock bottom.

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People see what they want to see.  I think it is time to move on myself but there is too much money invested now. Baalke really did put this team between a rock and a hard place.

Move on to who????
This qb class is nothing exciting,  maybe outside of cam ward MAYBE

Watched Duke / UM yesterday. Cam Ward has his own issues.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

https://twitter.com/travisdholmes/status...915L-t18Xg

Yup

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This disaster wasnt really on Trevor...until the end.

It wouldnt matter if Justin Jefferson or Jamaar Chase was standing there instead of Johnson...he overthrew it for a pick. Plain and simple. You have to make that throw. Thats what you are paid franchise QB money for. With big $ comes big expectations. You are the hired gun. No attaboys or aw shites. You need 10 attaboys to cover 1 aw shites. Sorry if reality gets in the way here.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

https://twitter.com/travisdholmes/status...915L-t18Xg

Yup

Haters don't like facts

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This disaster wasnt totally on Trevor...until the end.

It wouldnt matter if Justin Jefferson or Jamaar Chase was standing there instead if Johnson...he overthrew it for a pick.  Sorry if reality gets in the way here.

You honestly believe JJ or Chase (or any other actual receiver) wouldn't have at least made a better attempt on that ball?

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How many head coaches to you think TL will get fired before he’s dumped?  I say just UM and DP.  The next coach will ride out the mandatory part of TL’s contract and then try another rebuild around another QB.

You cannot honestly be blaming Lawrence for the Urban Meyer year?

You cannot honestly be blaming Lawrence for the Urban Meyer year?

Yes. We’ve hit rock bottom.

It's bad, but don't let that fool of a troll.bothrr you. He'll be back under his bridge next week when Lawrence plays well again.

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https://twitter.com/travisdholmes/status...915L-t18Xg

Yup

Haters don't like facts

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This disaster wasnt totally on Trevor...until the end.

It wouldnt matter if Justin Jefferson or Jamaar Chase was standing there instead if Johnson...he overthrew it for a pick.  Sorry if reality gets in the way here.

You honestly believe JJ or Chase (or any other actual receiver) wouldn't have at least made a better attempt on that ball?

DJ got bodied out by a linebacker. A receiver likely gets to the ball.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Nothing wrong with Trevor at all. Read my comments on the game thread. Summary is once they quit trying to FORCE the "Doug and Press" offensive system went up tempo and played a modern offense TL is comfortable with the offense caught fire. We have pissed away a season with Doug's pride doing this. He isn't stubborn he just will not change his approach ever. Pride is one of those seven deadly sins. It goes before a fall.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Nothing wrong with Trevor at all. Read my comments on the game thread. Summary is once they quit trying to FORCE the "Doug and Press" offensive system went up tempo and played a modern offense TL is comfortable with the offense caught fire. We have pissed away a season with Doug's pride doing this. He isn't stubborn he just will not change his approach ever. Pride is one of those seven deadly sins. It goes before a fall.

Don’t get me wrong it’s not there’s “nothing” wrong with Trevor. He’s good but he’s not great. And I don’t know if he ever will be especially given this franchises track record. 

That said I expect nothing from Doug or press in terms of adaptation. That final series was all we need to know.

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Lawrence is fine I think. This year is just a culmination of bad evaluations, bad cap management, bad draft choices and bad coaching decisions.

Lawrence has regressed along with everybody else. Each part of the team, again, has had it's share of letting everybody down on a weekly basis.

Doug has failed in hiring the right coach to carry his biggest weakness which is the defensive side of the football and Trent's personnel choices clearly have not worked with either coordinator.

We're not able to develop any consistency. We're not able to develop any identity. We just don't have the right people in this franchise at the moment.

This team still has lack of quality WR's despite investments made there along with injuries. The line play is still bottom level and it's now beaten up with injuries. Our RB room is also banged up.

Lawrence is decent, not elite. He could be elite if he had a front office and coaching staff that were on the same page. I think it's telling that it's year three with Doug and Press and we just now started seeing a few new things with him being under center, etc.

This team is a pain with an anchor at the moment. It's going to take strong willed leaders with the right vision and plan of attack to pull what's left behind from this wreckage in 2025 from the depths of despair.


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He’s the kind of QB where we have to through weird cherry-picked stats just to defend his performance

Instead of his play on the field just doing that all on its own

People see what they want to see.  I think it is time to move on myself but there is too much money invested now. Baalke really did put this team between a rock and a hard place.

I'm confident that was an owner decision.

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I like Lawrence, but, just throwing this out there now with a relatively weak QB class in 2025.

If Jaxson Dart from Ole' Miss is there in RD3?

I am taking him as a draft and develop QB behind Lawrence and as a major insurance plan if I am the next General Manager and Coaching Staff.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Trevor rarely progresses beyond his primary read, and often throws into tight coverage. He's, unfortunately, an average NFL QB.

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Yeah he is a good QB getting paid like a Franchise/elite one.

Maybe he can improve under a new staff, but he has some really bad habits.

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