Agreed. I said at the start of the season that his contract would be the new 'problem' used to criticise him this year. The problem was most of the old reasons they had, Trevor has overcome them so now it's the contract which is deliberately misinterpreted when the moment suits.

For me personally, I don't mind people criticising Trevor. I really don't. My frustration comes from when people ignore anything good he does to just focus on one bad play as if that's symbolic of his career and potential as a whole. I just want to see the whole 60 minute taken into account not just 7 seconds.

Criticism can be legit, for instance, he shouldn't have thrown that pass into the end zone. Criticism should also be fair, they weren't in that position at all without him making some great plays during the previous drives. Criticism should also be complete, he's gotten very little help from those around him again this year and he bears the brunt of the criticism for their bad play.

The All 22 exposed the the malpractice of that play: 
- it was four vertical routes (!) which means no safety valve for the QB to use. 
- we ran the same play in buffalo in the red zone and got smacked in the mouth yet the coaches thought let’s run it again even though its on film (!!) 
- we still had two minutes to burn and they rushed the play and called the number of a scrub at RB (!!!!) 

Trevor deciding to just try a jump ball was the cherry on top. It was a complete and utter disaster demonstration of malfeasance

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It’s to the point where I wanna ask the mods to pin a thread no comments with his contract broken down. It’s been broken down before in this thread. There’s plenty of reasons in good faith one may criticize Trevor, but the “hEs BeInG PaId ElItE MoNeY” is not one and shows that person has not had their comprehension level checked lately

Agreed. I said at the start of the season that his contract would be the new 'problem' used to criticise him this year. The problem was most of the old reasons they had, Trevor has overcome them so now it's the contract which is deliberately misinterpreted when the moment suits.

For me personally, I don't mind people criticising Trevor. I really don't. My frustration comes from when people ignore anything good he does to just focus on one bad play as if that's symbolic of his career and potential as a whole. I just want to see the whole 60 minute taken into account not just 7 seconds.

Same, That last play was called by Trevor's boss. (he confirmed it)  The players on the field at the time were there because Doug had them there. The route was actually open. The receiver, a RB in this case, was in position to make a play. The pass was on target. Maybe a foot inside where TL would have preferred. TL had to throw the ball before the receiver looked back for the ball.  Unfortunately, our receiver got bumped just prior to the pass arriving putting him out of position to even go up. Might as well blame TL for receivers jumping to9 early on well placed passes.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Criticism can be legit, for instance, he shouldn't have thrown that pass into the end zone. Criticism should also be fair, they weren't in that position at all without him making some great plays during the previous drives. Criticism should also be complete, he's gotten very little help from those around him again this year and he bears the brunt of the criticism for their bad play.

The All 22 exposed the the malpractice of that play: 
- it was four vertical routes (!) which means no safety valve for the QB to use. 
- we ran the same play in buffalo in the red zone and got smacked in the mouth yet the coaches thought let’s run it again even though its on film (!!) 
- we still had two minutes to burn and they rushed the play and called the number of a scrub at RB (!!!!) 

Trevor deciding to just try a jump ball was the cherry on top. It was a complete and utter disaster demonstration of malfeasance

Let's not forget that our ineffectual HC said that the primary target was the throw to Johnson...  He said it in his post game presser.  And I believe he said it again today...  

All in all, it's the classic example of how Doug and his lackey have been ruining Trevor over the last 2 seasons.

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Agreed. I said at the start of the season that his contract would be the new 'problem' used to criticise him this year. The problem was most of the old reasons they had, Trevor has overcome them so now it's the contract which is deliberately misinterpreted when the moment suits.

For me personally, I don't mind people criticising Trevor. I really don't. My frustration comes from when people ignore anything good he does to just focus on one bad play as if that's symbolic of his career and potential as a whole. I just want to see the whole 60 minute taken into account not just 7 seconds.

Same, That last play was called by Trevor's boss. (he confirmed it)  The players on the field at the time were there because Doug had them there. The route was actually open. The receiver, a RB in this case, was in position to make a play. The pass was on target. Maybe a foot inside where TL would have preferred. TL had to throw the ball before the receiver looked back for the ball.  Unfortunately, our receiver got bumped just prior to the pass arriving putting him out of position to even go up. Might as well blame TL for receivers jumping to9 early on well placed passes.

Your right. It was an odd call for the situation. You'd have expected Tank or Etienne out there and we ran a similar play with Johnson last week that also didn't work. 

The throw when you look, it's a bit high, bit inside and not quite our guy catches it or it's out of bounds. Sadly got to give the LB credit for maintaining the coverage, playing physical and making a great play to catch that. That could easily go incomplete, we run another play and no one talks about this one

We did see a few times that 2nd half Trevor and WR's not quite on the same page. Washington a few plays before curls back wheh Trevor thinks he's going deep. I wonder if Trevor was trying to put it where he wanted Johnson to be and they didn't quite have the same idea.

It would have been crazy to win thar yesterday and personally see Trevor get that TD. I feel for him having the pick but hopefully another learning experience. Plus if we make that play, it's probably down to the D to go win it with a stop.

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A whole heap of a lot better than one with an old, mid QB paid like he's elite, assuming the team can obliterate enough cap spending to field a team like the Aints will be.
Probably about the same with less (or maybe different is a better term) expectation than a team with a mid QB at the top of the salary board, a guanopsychotic owner, and a ravenous fanbase like the 'pokes will be.

What other openings do you think there will be? NYG? NYJ? Are either of those a desirable job? The only other comparable situation I could see opening up would be Cincy, and working under Mike Brown hasn't proven any better than working under Shad would be. They're just as incomplete and in progress as we seem to be.

He’s not getting paid like elite next few seasons. His higher base amount kicks in later in the contract. So that criticism is DOA

His deal is on the same level as the others I cited, regardless of structure. I understand Prescott is not making 60M a year, or Daniel Jones 45. But these are the guys at the top end of the payroll  and as such should be carry with them the expectation that new coach with established QB should yield results pretty darn quick.

Unless Rodgers retires, virtually all the openings will come with an established QB on a big deal. So those QBs and the pay/expectations that come with them are a pretty big part of the wagon you're hitching to as a new coach.

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Keep fighting the good fight bud. Notice how no one is mentioning the Oline? That we had Trammell on the field that final drive? That Trevor had 2 rush TD's? That he took a huge hit and a cut hand but kept fighting? No one mentioning the Etienne pick? Yeah the throw for the INT was a bad decision and one he'd want back but the team did a great job to be in the position for that play to matter.

I respect posters like Enigma who has explained his position on Trevor and why he is where he's at. Sadly some posters just want to troll and throw rocks.

It’s to the point where I wanna ask the mods to pin a thread no comments with his contract broken down. It’s been broken down before in this thread. There’s plenty of reasons in good faith one may criticize Trevor, but the “hEs BeInG PaId ElItE MoNeY” is not one and shows that person has not had their comprehension level checked lately

Ask the Aints about deferring until tomorrow, just because the bill hasn't come due yet doesn't mean we aren't paying for it. And yes, regardless of what we are paying him today, the expectation that comes with that huge number over the life of the deal will lead plenty of people to compare them to players who signed similar deals, no matter how each team chose to structure the contract.

Let's put it to you in plain English - I don't sweat his deal. I think it's fair for the level of player that he is and can be. Would I love him to be throwing for 4000 yards and 35 tuddies a year? You bet your bippy. Do I think his contract is why we can't finish games? Not really. So if you're trying to direct that scoffery in my direction, you're barking up the wrong goalpost.

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Agreed. I said at the start of the season that his contract would be the new 'problem' used to criticise him this year. The problem was most of the old reasons they had, Trevor has overcome them so now it's the contract which is deliberately misinterpreted when the moment suits.

For me personally, I don't mind people criticising Trevor. I really don't. My frustration comes from when people ignore anything good he does to just focus on one bad play as if that's symbolic of his career and potential as a whole. I just want to see the whole 60 minute taken into account not just 7 seconds.

Same, That last play was called by Trevor's boss. (he confirmed it)  The players on the field at the time were there because Doug had them there. The route was actually open. The receiver, a RB in this case, was in position to make a play. The pass was on target. Maybe a foot inside where TL would have preferred. TL had to throw the ball before the receiver looked back for the ball.  Unfortunately, our receiver got bumped just prior to the pass arriving putting him out of position to even go up. Might as well blame TL for receivers jumping to9 early on well placed passes.

Yep. Bad play call in that situation given the score, field position and remaining clock.  However, the overreaction by some on the throw being "bad" is maybe a bit misguided.  The ball was already in the air.  Johnson's eyes were on it and he was moving in that direction to make the catch and then bumped hips with Dean and completely wilted or lost his balance or whatever.  Johnson saw the ball before Dean did in the one angle of the replay that was most telling in my opinion.  Perhaps Dean is a brick wall to run into, but Johnson clearly wasn't the right guy to be put in that situation as he got completely knocked off balance by what looked like rather mild contact to me.  And as I and many others have said, why were we not running at least once there to force them to burn a time out?  I say that with full knowledge that the most important thing in that situation is to get in the end zone and take the lead.  Could easily have run it twice for no gain and forced them to burn their time outs and then struggled on 3rd and 4th down to get a 1st down or in the end zone and the game could have been over, but I think you have to force them to burn at least one of their time outs with a run play there.

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Lawrence has had a total of two (2) games this season over 300 yards. Basically two good games this season - the rest? Just below average.


Men lie, women lie, numbers do not lie.

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Lawrence has had a total of two (2) games this season over 300 yards. Basically two good games this season - the rest? Just below average.


Men lie, women lie, numbers do not lie.

Well if we are doing that  mahomes has had 1 game this year over 300 yards , same with Josh Allen, Stroud has had 2, so has lamar

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Lawrence has had a total of two (2) games this season over 300 yards. Basically two good games this season - the rest? Just below average.


Men lie, women lie, numbers do not lie.

Stupid people say stupid things and you are absolutely one of them.

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Lawrence has had a total of two (2) games this season over 300 yards. Basically two good games this season - the rest? Just below average.


Men lie, women lie, numbers do not lie.

Well if we are doing that  mahomes has had 1 game this year over 300 yards , same with Josh Allen, Stroud has had 2, so has lamar

If naming other QBs makes your argument better than by all means continue to list others. Lawrence passing yards and lack of TDs doesn't suggest that he is a top QB in the league.

On top of that, he has thrown only 5 (five) TD passes in his last FOUR games.

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Well if we are doing that  mahomes has had 1 game this year over 300 yards , same with Josh Allen, Stroud has had 2, so has lamar

If naming other QBs makes your argument better than by all means continue to list others. Lawrence passing yards and lack of TDs doesn't suggest that he is a top QB in the league.

On top of that, he has thrown only 5 (five) TD passes in his last FOUR games.

You pile on when it suits you.  I don't appreciate that.

Trevor Lawrence isn't the problem, my guy.  There's not a single QB that can be successful under the current coaching staff we have.

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Well if we are doing that  mahomes has had 1 game this year over 300 yards , same with Josh Allen, Stroud has had 2, so has lamar

If naming other QBs makes your argument better than by all means continue to list others. Lawrence passing yards and lack of TDs doesn't suggest that he is a top QB in the league.

On top of that, he has thrown only 5 (five) TD passes in his last FOUR games.

Does that include all the [BLEEP] dropped passes in the red zone plus the thrown TDs for the extra two points

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It’s to the point where I wanna ask the mods to pin a thread no comments with his contract broken down. It’s been broken down before in this thread. There’s plenty of reasons in good faith one may criticize Trevor, but the “hEs BeInG PaId ElItE MoNeY” is not one and shows that person has not had their comprehension level checked lately

Ask the Aints about deferring until tomorrow, just because the bill hasn't come due yet doesn't mean we aren't paying for it. And yes, regardless of what we are paying him today, the expectation that comes with that huge number over the life of the deal will lead plenty of people to compare them to players who signed similar deals, no matter how each team chose to structure the contract.

Let's put it to you in plain English - I don't sweat his deal. I think it's fair for the level of player that he is and can be. Would I love him to be throwing for 4000 yards and 35 tuddies a year? You bet your bippy. Do I think his contract is why we can't finish games? Not really. So if you're trying to direct that scoffery in my direction, you're barking up the wrong goalpost.

Exactly.

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If naming other QBs makes your argument better than by all means continue to list others. Lawrence passing yards and lack of TDs doesn't suggest that he is a top QB in the league.

On top of that, he has thrown only 5 (five) TD passes in his last FOUR games.

You pile on when it suits you.  I don't appreciate that.

You're always the one blaming the coaches for players failures, and you think our team has the capabilities to make playoff runs.... I'm not drinking the koolaid here. One good year doesn't make a team a future dominant team, your so hanging on to three year ago success and somehow managed to tell yourself that producitivity is still there but its the coaches thats holding them back. When in reality this team isn't really good at all - one of the worst defenses in the league with a bad offense handicapped by a QB that has already reached his ceiling. You can think whatever you want but this will be Lawrence third HC and somehow its still a coaching issue and not a QB issue.

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My views are this, Trevor is absolutely not the problem right now, am saying he’s the guy to lead us to a Super Bowl? I’m not sure yet, but right now there are so much stuff wrong with this team more so than him, we need to fix those before assessing Trevor.

I think he does need to improve his decision making at times, he has a tendency for hero ball which can cause costly turnovers, but with all due respect, for most of his career we’ve only been in games because of him playing hero, so hopefully it improves when he can rely on his receivers, line and coaches.

For the last play vs the eagles, it was a baffling playcall, I would have liked to have seen us run the ball, and even if we’re throwing it, I’m not sure why we would go for it all in one shot, especially with the time it would leave on the clock, and Johnson being the primary target there isn’t ideal, but the ball could have been better, that throw should have always been made to the lines where it’s either caught or incomplete.

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After a few days to calm down I feel it just saved the defense reputation. At least this week's topic is the offense. We score there then we have to watch Philly drive down the field for the go ahead TD leaving us 5 seconds on the clock. We lost that game when we only had 8 odd minutes of ball possession in the first half. Defense was beyond gassed. Tell me I am wrong....

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

It’s to the point where I wanna ask the mods to pin a thread no comments with his contract broken down. It’s been broken down before in this thread. There’s plenty of reasons in good faith one may criticize Trevor, but the “hEs BeInG PaId ElItE MoNeY” is not one and shows that person has not had their comprehension level checked lately

Ask the Aints about deferring until tomorrow, just because the bill hasn't come due yet doesn't mean we aren't paying for it. And yes, regardless of what we are paying him today, the expectation that comes with that huge number over the life of the deal will lead plenty of people to compare them to players who signed similar deals, no matter how each team chose to structure the contract.

Let's put it to you in plain English - I don't sweat his deal. I think it's fair for the level of player that he is and can be. Would I love him to be throwing for 4000 yards and 35 tuddies a year? You bet your bippy. Do I think his contract is why we can't finish games? Not really. So if you're trying to direct that scoffery in my direction, you're barking up the wrong goalpost.

No it was more towards the people who use it as some magic bullet to label Trevor a bust or inadequate. 

I don’t mind his deal either, but I especially don’t mind it because again, he’s not getting paid like a top 3 QB like some claim the first few years of the deal. This allows us to build a team around him. Once the higher share of the deal kicks in, we can rework it, or cut bait once the cap hit reduces in 2029. 

You and I are on the same page here

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Lawrence has had a total of two (2) games this season over 300 yards. Basically two good games this season - the rest? Just below average.


Men lie, women lie, numbers do not lie.

but picking one stat is like judging a man or woman's appearance solely based on their silhouette.

Numbers ABSOLUTELY lie. Case in point, TLaw had two picks Sunday. Both were his fault?

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You pile on when it suits you.  I don't appreciate that.

You're always the one blaming the coaches for players failures, and you think our team has the capabilities to make playoff runs.... I'm not drinking the koolaid here. One good year doesn't make a team a future dominant team, your so hanging on to three year ago success and somehow managed to tell yourself that producitivity is still there but its the coaches thats holding them back. When in reality this team isn't really good at all - one of the worst defenses in the league with a bad offense handicapped by a QB that has already reached his ceiling. You can think whatever you want but this will be Lawrence third HC and somehow its still a coaching issue and not a QB issue.

more lying numbers. At the very least, misleading.

that you acknowledge Urbz as a coach says a lot.

You're scaping the wrong goat, man.

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After a few days to calm down I feel it just saved the defense reputation. At least this week's topic is the offense.  We score there then we have to watch Philly drive down the field for the go ahead TD leaving us 5 seconds on the clock. We lost that game when we only had 8 odd minutes of ball possession in the first half. Defense was beyond gassed. Tell me I am wrong....

This guy gets it.

Unless we put points on the board with 0:0X on the clock, we were likely finding a way to give that game right back. It's what we do.

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