I like these conversations where we all learn something. Hopefully it doesn't decline into a name-calling quarrel.

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Don't forget the Jones act. So a ship traveling between the East Coast of the US and west coast would fall under this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchant_M...ct_of_1920

Is it more expensive to own and operate a US flagged vessel, or less expensive?

My contacts at Crowley tell me it costs a bunch more. (brother-in-law)

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Is it more expensive to own and operate a US flagged vessel, or less expensive?

My contacts at Crowley tell me it costs a bunch more. (brother-in-law)

So if more vessels choose to fly a US flag, does that mean more money is spent on shipping, or less?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

My contacts at Crowley tell me it costs a bunch more. (brother-in-law)

So if more vessels choose to fly a US flag, does that mean more money is spent on shipping, or less?

You are asking the wrong question.  The question should be “Is it more expensive to fly the US flag and get the US discount when traversing the Panama Canal?”

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Original Season Ticket Holder - Retired  1995 - 2020


At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

I like these conversations where we all learn something. Hopefully it doesn't decline into a name-calling quarrel.

Lol-Ggggaaaayyyeeeee

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I like these conversations where we all learn something. Hopefully it doesn't decline into a name-calling quarrel.

Lol-Ggggaaaayyyeeeee

Stow it, snot face!

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So if more vessels choose to fly a US flag, does that mean more money is spent on shipping, or less?

You are asking the wrong question.  The question should be “Is it more expensive to fly the US flag and get the US discount when traversing the Panama Canal?”

Mike's question is usually, "How can I start an argument to get attention?"

The underlying issue is that the US market, the strongest in the world, is open to everyone but we make it more expensive for our own companies to do business here than we do foreign ones. We need to either force foreign interests to pay more or make it cheaper for domestic ones...I of course prefer the latter, but one way or the other we cannot continue on our current path.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

So if more vessels choose to fly a US flag, does that mean more money is spent on shipping, or less?

You are asking the wrong question.  The question should be “Is it more expensive to fly the US flag and get the US discount when traversing the Panama Canal?”

Well, you're skipping ahead.  They would spend more money to follow our regulations, then spend less to cross the canal.  Is that less overall? Unclear.  And who benefits?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

You are asking the wrong question.  The question should be “Is it more expensive to fly the US flag and get the US discount when traversing the Panama Canal?”

Well, you're skipping ahead.  They would spend more money to follow our regulations, then spend less to cross the canal.  Is that less overall? Unclear.  And who benefits?

I know where are trying to lead the conversation and I cut you off is more like it.  The answer is I have no idea which way is more cost effective.  It doesn’t change my stance though.  If a US shipping company wants to get the benefits of reduced cost using the Panama Canal then flag your ships with the US flag.  If it’s less expensive to flag your ships with another country’s flag then shut up about the cost of using the canal.

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You are asking the wrong question.  The question should be “Is it more expensive to fly the US flag and get the US discount when traversing the Panama Canal?”

Mike's question is usually, "How can I start an argument to get attention?"

The underlying issue is that the US market, the strongest in the world, is open to everyone but we make it more expensive for our own companies to do business here than we do foreign ones. We need to either force foreign interests to pay more or make it cheaper for domestic ones...I of course prefer the latter, but one way or the other we cannot continue on our current path.

This.  100%

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Original Season Ticket Holder - Retired  1995 - 2020


At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

Well, you're skipping ahead.  They would spend more money to follow our regulations, then spend less to cross the canal.  Is that less overall? Unclear.  And who benefits?

I know where are trying to lead the conversation and I cut you off is more like it.  The answer is I have no idea which way is more cost effective.  It doesn’t change my stance though.  If a US shipping company wants to get the benefits of reduced cost using the Panama Canal then flag your ships with the US flag.  If it’s less expensive to flag your ships with another country’s flag then shut up about the cost of using the canal.

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Mike's question is usually, "How can I start an argument to get attention?"

The underlying issue is that the US market, the strongest in the world, is open to everyone but we make it more expensive for our own companies to do business here than we do foreign ones. We need to either force foreign interests to pay more or make it cheaper for domestic ones...I of course prefer the latter, but one way or the other we cannot continue on our current path.

This.  100%

I agree!
But how does this save American consumers money?
Why should America start a fight with Panama? Will it make things cheaper?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

I know where are trying to lead the conversation and I cut you off is more like it.  The answer is I have no idea which way is more cost effective.  It doesn’t change my stance though.  If a US shipping company wants to get the benefits of reduced cost using the Panama Canal then flag your ships with the US flag.  If it’s less expensive to flag your ships with another country’s flag then shut up about the cost of using the canal.

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This.  100%

I agree!
But how does this save American consumers money?
Why should America start a fight with Panama? Will it make things cheaper?

Reduce the cost of shipping by $5 a ton or roughly 35% sounds like a good place to start.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I agree!
But how does this save American consumers money?
Why should America start a fight with Panama? Will it make things cheaper?

Reduce the cost of shipping by $5 a ton or roughly 35% sounds like a good place to start.

What would cause Panama to reduce the price of going through the canal?

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Reduce the cost of shipping by $5 a ton or roughly 35% sounds like a good place to start.

What would cause Panama to reduce the price of going through the canal?

I covered that earlier, incentives to Panama include a number of things from investment to reciprocation. Why are you afraid of negotiating? Why are you afraid of putting us first? Why are you afraid of our power and the leverage it gives us? Everyone else does it, why must we be the world's patsy?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I agree!
But how does this save American consumers money?
Why should America start a fight with Panama? Will it make things cheaper?

Reduce the cost of shipping by $5 a ton or roughly 35% sounds like a good place to start.

Reduce the cost for everyone?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Reduce the cost of shipping by $5 a ton or roughly 35% sounds like a good place to start.

Reduce the cost for everyone?

Maybe, but specifically for us. It's past time we used American power for American benefit.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Or a bulk discount. Without doing the research, I would predict we are the heaviest user of the canal.

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What would cause Panama to reduce the price of going through the canal?

I covered that earlier, incentives to Panama include a number of things from investment to reciprocation. Why are you afraid of negotiating? Why are you afraid of putting us first? Why are you afraid of our power and the leverage it gives us? Everyone else does it, why must we be the world's patsy?

Because he's been told his whole life by the MSM that it's something we can't do.

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