I wonder if testicular cancer will be added to the list of “women’s” ailments.

Jill Biden lands new job following four years as First Lady

Jill Biden landed a new job following her four years in the White House: leading a California-based think tank's initiative aimed at improving women's health.

"From endometriosis to healthy aging, the White House Initiative on Women’s Health Research made important investments in research and development, while making clear it will take collaboration across industries to bring these innovations to scale," Biden said, according to a Milken Institute press release published April 29...

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So now it's about the process used to deport him, NOT the country we deported him to.  (And I thought Jello was squishy.)  So, if we give him an "adequate" hearing, you're okay with deportation to El Salvador?

BTW, it you can't even define what an "adequate" process is, how can you say his was inadequate?

It's both.  Both the process and the country.
An adequate process would have said, "El Salvador is going to imprison him without trial, so let's send him somewhere else."
What happened was, we rounded him up, we called El Salvador, and we said, "we got a member of one of your gangs." We had never had any kind of a trial related to that.  We just accused him, and didn't give him an opportunity to contest it. We shouldn't do that.  But even so, given he was an illegal immigrant, it *could have been* OK to deport him if we knew El Salvador was going to let him be free or at least give him a trial.  We knew they weren't.  We shouldn't have deported him at that time to that place.  It was wrong.

You just keep going deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole.  So now you want to hold a trial in the U.S. for alleged criminal activity that occurred in another country?  Then what?

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

Our Constitution protects our citizens. "We the People of the United States". Illegal aliens are not citizens. It is a felony to enter our country illegally and deportation is required. Once it is established they entered illegally deportation to their country is the penalty and should occur first. If they wish to be citizens and this protection under the constitution there is a process called naturalization. Then they can be vetted, allowed to enter and begin. If they commit crimes during this process they go home. Common sense dude. ... get real.

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It's both.  Both the process and the country.
An adequate process would have said, "El Salvador is going to imprison him without trial, so let's send him somewhere else."
What happened was, we rounded him up, we called El Salvador, and we said, "we got a member of one of your gangs." We had never had any kind of a trial related to that.  We just accused him, and didn't give him an opportunity to contest it. We shouldn't do that.  But even so, given he was an illegal immigrant, it *could have been* OK to deport him if we knew El Salvador was going to let him be free or at least give him a trial.  We knew they weren't.  We shouldn't have deported him at that time to that place.  It was wrong.

You just keep going deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole.  So now you want to hold a trial in the U.S. for alleged criminal activity that occurred in another country?  Then what?

I wrote "any kind of trial". A hearing would also work.  Typically this hearing would make only discuss contacts and activities in this country.

It's as if you take what I write and you try to figure out the worst way to interpret it, then you accuse me of things based on that.  Listen man. Just because your wife treats you that way, doesn't mean you have to treat anyone else that way.

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Our Constitution protects our citizens. "We the People of the United States". Illegal aliens are not citizens. It is a felony to enter our country illegally and deportation is required. Once it is established they entered illegally deportation to their country is the penalty and should occur first. If they wish to be citizens and this protection under the constitution there is a process called naturalization. Then they can be vetted, allowed to enter  and begin. If they commit crimes during this process they go home.  Common sense dude. ... get real.

The 14th defines and protects citizens.  But the 5th protects literally everyone.
The procedure we use to determine that someone is an illegal immigrant and needs to leave has to comply with the 5th amendment.

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You just keep going deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole.  So now you want to hold a trial in the U.S. for alleged criminal activity that occurred in another country?  Then what?

I wrote "any kind of trial". A hearing would also work.  Typically this hearing would make only discuss contacts and activities in this country.

It's as if you take what I write and you try to figure out the worst way to interpret it, then you accuse me of things based on that.  Listen man. Just because your wife treats you that way, doesn't mean you have to treat anyone else that way.

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Our Constitution protects our citizens. "We the People of the United States". Illegal aliens are not citizens. It is a felony to enter our country illegally and deportation is required. Once it is established they entered illegally deportation to their country is the penalty and should occur first. If they wish to be citizens and this protection under the constitution there is a process called naturalization. Then they can be vetted, allowed to enter  and begin. If they commit crimes during this process they go home.  Common sense dude. ... get real.

The 14th defines and protects citizens.  But the 5th protects literally everyone.
The procedure we use to determine that someone is an illegal immigrant and needs to leave has to comply with the 5th amendment.

No it doesn't. The USSC has never said that. and if it did are we suppose to go to other countries and MAKE them follow our constitution? nice try but quite the stretch

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

I wrote "any kind of trial". A hearing would also work.  Typically this hearing would make only discuss contacts and activities in this country.

It's as if you take what I write and you try to figure out the worst way to interpret it, then you accuse me of things based on that.  Listen man. Just because your wife treats you that way, doesn't mean you have to treat anyone else that way.

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The 14th defines and protects citizens.  But the 5th protects literally everyone.
The procedure we use to determine that someone is an illegal immigrant and needs to leave has to comply with the 5th amendment.

No it doesn't. The USSC has never said that. and if it did are we suppose to go to other countries and MAKE them follow our constitution? nice try but quite the stretch

The bill of rights is about what our government must not do.  It does not require the government to do anything.  I never said any other country has to do anything based on our constitution. But I did say that we should be aware of what those other countries are doing, and we should not deport people to countries that are abusing them.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

No it doesn't. The USSC has never said that. and if it did are we suppose to go to other countries and MAKE them follow our constitution? nice try but quite the stretch

The bill of rights is about what our government must not do.  It does not require the government to do anything.  I never said any other country has to do anything based on our constitution.  But I did say that we should be aware of what those other countries are doing, and we should not deport people to countries that are abusing them.

They are not citizens. The 5th does not apply to non citizens. They are felons that broke the law. Send them home and if they want to enter our country follow our laws. Just try this in other civilized countries and see what happens to you buddy.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

The bill of rights is about what our government must not do.  It does not require the government to do anything.  I never said any other country has to do anything based on our constitution.  But I did say that we should be aware of what those other countries are doing, and we should not deport people to countries that are abusing them.

They are not citizens. The 5th does not apply to non citizens. They are felons that broke the law. Send them home and if they want to enter our country follow our laws. Just try this in other civilized countries and see what happens to you buddy.

The 5th applies to what the US government can not do to any person, anywhere. Its language is super clear on this point.
The part our courts question is, what is due process and what isn't.  But they don't question the principle that our government shall not deprive any person, citizen or not, of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

They are not citizens. The 5th does not apply to non citizens. They are felons that broke the law. Send them home and if they want to enter our country follow our laws. Just try this in other civilized countries and see what happens to you buddy.

The 5th applies to what the US government can not do to any person, anywhere. Its language is super clear on this point.
The part our courts question is, what is due process and what isn't.  But they don't question the principle that our government shall not deprive any person, citizen or not, of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.

Like those who can't define a woman, we seem to be dealing with those who can't identify "due process" but are absolutely certain it just didn't happen.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The 5th applies to what the US government can not do to any person, anywhere. Its language is super clear on this point.
The part our courts question is, what is due process and what isn't.  But they don't question the principle that our government shall not deprive any person, citizen or not, of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.

Like those who can't define a woman, we seem to be dealing with those who can't identify "due process" but are absolutely certain it just didn't happen.

Show me where it says that.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

The 5th applies to what the US government can not do to any person, anywhere. Its language is super clear on this point.
The part our courts question is, what is due process and what isn't.  But they don't question the principle that our government shall not deprive any person, citizen or not, of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.

Like those who can't define a woman, we seem to be dealing with those who can't identify "due process" but are absolutely certain it just didn't happen.

I didn't like Justice Jackson's answer either.  
She said "I am not a biologist." She's not, but she should be able to sort out a legal definition of female and whether laws using that definition are applied correctly and whether they are constitutional or not.
That said, all 9 justices on the Supreme Court would agree that "It is hard to define due process, but it's our job, and we've done it many times."
There's substantiative due process, procedural due process, etc.  I don't have to be able to explain it to you.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

So now it's about the process used to deport him, NOT the country we deported him to.  (And I thought Jello was squishy.)  So, if we give him an "adequate" hearing, you're okay with deportation to El Salvador?

BTW, it you can't even define what an "adequate" process is, how can you say his was inadequate?

It's both.  Both the process and the country.
An adequate process would have said, "El Salvador is going to imprison him without trial, so let's send him somewhere else."
What happened was, we rounded him up, we called El Salvador, and we said, "we got a member of one of your gangs." We had never had any kind of a trial related to that.  We just accused him, and didn't give him an opportunity to contest it. We shouldn't do that.  But even so, given he was an illegal immigrant, it *could have been* OK to deport him if we knew El Salvador was going to let him be free or at least give him a trial.  We knew they weren't.  We shouldn't have deported him at that time to that place.  It was wrong.

What other country would that be?  El Salvador bore him, he is their responsibility.  You act as though the CIA snuck up behind him, chloroformed him, and threw him on a plane headed to El Salvador in the middle of the night.

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

It's both.  Both the process and the country.
An adequate process would have said, "El Salvador is going to imprison him without trial, so let's send him somewhere else."
What happened was, we rounded him up, we called El Salvador, and we said, "we got a member of one of your gangs." We had never had any kind of a trial related to that.  We just accused him, and didn't give him an opportunity to contest it. We shouldn't do that.  But even so, given he was an illegal immigrant, it *could have been* OK to deport him if we knew El Salvador was going to let him be free or at least give him a trial.  We knew they weren't.  We shouldn't have deported him at that time to that place.  It was wrong.

What other country would that be?  El Salvador bore him, he is their responsibility.  You act as though the CIA snuck up behind him, chloroformed him, and threw him on a plane headed to El Salvador in the middle of the night.

That's where it gets hard.  We could have sent him to Canada or Mexico or many other places.  Third countries take in deportees all the time.  In fact most of the people deported to El Salvador illegally under the AEA were actually Venezuelans.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Wrong.  You can board any time after your "group" is invited to board.  You don't have to take advantage of preferential treatment simply because its offered.  I've always found that how people react in such circumstances reveals a great deal about their character.

Is there ANYTHING the Left does that you don't excuse?

You're taking this as fact because a member of Congress said it happened.  As long as the member is from the correct party, you believe them. You forget that strategically lying is basically in their job description, both parties.
You don't know if Mrs. Crockett knew there were disabled folks at the gate or not.
You don't know what type of disability they may have had.
You don't know if that disability actually meant they needed to board early.  
You don't know if seats were already assigned.  
You don't know if overhead space was abundant or scarce.  
You don't know if the disabled person was counting on using overhead space or not.

And your quip about preferential treatment is specious. It is transportation. Like a four-way stop, you are supposed to go when it's your turn. It doesn't make you a better person to wave somebody else in front of you. What if they turn around and say no I insist, you go first and then the two of you start this little competition for who is the better person, while other people behind you are waiting. Don't play that way. If it's your turn, you go.

You may get a thrill out of sprinting down the aisle with your shopping cart (loaded with 127 items) to squeeze in front of the little old lady struggling with a walker and a gallon of milk.  Some of us go through life with much different values and seek to instill the same in our children.  

But hey, don't let me hold you up.  Granny could beat you to the checkout.

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

You're taking this as fact because a member of Congress said it happened.  As long as the member is from the correct party, you believe them. You forget that strategically lying is basically in their job description, both parties.
You don't know if Mrs. Crockett knew there were disabled folks at the gate or not.
You don't know what type of disability they may have had.
You don't know if that disability actually meant they needed to board early.  
You don't know if seats were already assigned.  
You don't know if overhead space was abundant or scarce.  
You don't know if the disabled person was counting on using overhead space or not.

And your quip about preferential treatment is specious. It is transportation. Like a four-way stop, you are supposed to go when it's your turn. It doesn't make you a better person to wave somebody else in front of you. What if they turn around and say no I insist, you go first and then the two of you start this little competition for who is the better person, while other people behind you are waiting. Don't play that way. If it's your turn, you go.

You may get a thrill out of sprinting down the aisle with your shopping cart (loaded with 127 items) to squeeze in front of the little old lady struggling with a walker and a gallon of milk.  Some of us go through life with much different values and seek to instill the same in our children.  

But hey, don't let me hold you up.  Granny could beat you to the checkout.

Different situation.
If neither of us is in line yet, no one is behind us either.
And if someone's already checking out, we both have to wait anyways.  At the store, I let people who have less stuff than me cut in front, if I notice them.
Not comparable to an airport situation or a 4 way stop sign.  Sorry.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

https://youtu.be/DsTKAqHwj0s?si=lqW3spYMVQhuBfwk

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You may get a thrill out of sprinting down the aisle with your shopping cart (loaded with 127 items) to squeeze in front of the little old lady struggling with a walker and a gallon of milk.  Some of us go through life with much different values and seek to instill the same in our children.  

But hey, don't let me hold you up.  Granny could beat you to the checkout.

Different situation.
If neither of us is in line yet, no one is behind us either.
And if someone's already checking out, we both have to wait anyways.  At the store, I let people who have less stuff than me cut in front, if I notice them.
Not comparable to an airport situation or a 4 way stop sign.  Sorry.

LOL.  You can make up an excuse for anything.  Not that I'm surprised.  You're predictable, if nothing else.

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

What other country would that be?  El Salvador bore him, he is their responsibility.  You act as though the CIA snuck up behind him, chloroformed him, and threw him on a plane headed to El Salvador in the middle of the night.

That's where it gets hard.  We could have sent him to Canada or Mexico or many other places.  Third countries take in deportees all the time.  In fact most of the people deported to El Salvador illegally under the AEA were actually Venezuelans.

Because Canada or Mexico would want to welcome a wife beating human trafficking MS13 gang banger?

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Original Season Ticket Holder - Retired  1995 - 2020


At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

That's where it gets hard.  We could have sent him to Canada or Mexico or many other places.  Third countries take in deportees all the time.  In fact most of the people deported to El Salvador illegally under the AEA were actually Venezuelans.

Because Canada or Mexico would want to welcome a wife beating human trafficking MS13 gang banger?

Why wasn't he tried for crimes like that?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Different situation.
If neither of us is in line yet, no one is behind us either.
And if someone's already checking out, we both have to wait anyways.  At the store, I let people who have less stuff than me cut in front, if I notice them.
Not comparable to an airport situation or a 4 way stop sign.  Sorry.

LOL.  You can make up an excuse for anything.  Not that I'm surprised.  You're predictable, if nothing else.

You know I'm right about this. 
You know that everybody on the plane lands at the same time, right? 
You know they all get off the plane in front to back order, regardless of when they got on, right?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.