The bolded is literally me telling you what the rules in track and field are. Not my opinion.

I agree that being previously male, especially during and after puberty, confers advantages that don't go away after hormone treatment, however, if it's not a contact sport, and they're not taking away anyone's medal, who cares? Who is harmed? 

No one wants to allow puberty blockers or hormone treatments before age 18 either, so they are forced to go through that male puberty whether they want to or not, then you refuse to allow participation with women after completing hormone treatment. So they have no option at all to deal with a condition that most of them did not chose. 

It comes across as mean spirited and seems to have nothing to do with women's rights or the integrity of the sport.  If you just don't like intersex people, that's fine, but it's your problem, not theirs.

You're so willfully ignorant on this subject you should be embarrassed.

The subject isn't about you or about me. Neither of us is intersex or trans (right?)

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

If anyone believes this...... I have a bridge in Brooklyn and some beach front property in Arizona to sell to you.....

Biden insists 'I made the decisions' as Republicans investigate White House autopen use
Biden says any claims that he lacked control in the White House are 'ridiculous and false'

Former President Joe Biden doubled down on his use of an autopen on Wednesday, insisting that he was in control of the White House during his term in office.

President Donald Trump ordered an investigation into Biden's administration, alleging that top officials used autopen signatures to cover up the former president's cognitive decline.

"I made the decisions about the pardons, executive orders, legislation, and proclamations. Any suggestion that I didn’t is ridiculous and false," Biden said in a statement.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-i...utopen-use

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You're so willfully ignorant on this subject you should be embarrassed.

The subject isn't about you or about me. Neither of us is intersex or trans (right?)

No, my comment was definitely about you being willfully ignorant about the subject.

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This world needs Dave Chapelle. 

https://youtube.com/shorts/e5XuKXe5mp0?s...otWl6C_NKP

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The subject isn't about you or about me. Neither of us is intersex or trans (right?)

No, my comment was definitely about you being willfully ignorant about the subject.

What do you know about trans or intersex people, that I don't know, and that is relevant to this discussion? Please inform the ignorant.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Everyone believe this drama between Musk and Trump? I have a tough time buying it.

A possibility,
Elon takes heat for helping cut costs, liberals attack
Elon departs his assignment after setting the DOGE organization up and illustrating Government waste and fraud.
Both Elon and Trump want more cuts in bill.
If Trump comes out and says that it is counter productive. Trump has to play somewhat nice to get votes for the bill.
Elon doesn't have to play nice AND gets the Libs off his butt. This helps get more things codified.
After dust settles they make up. Mission accomplished.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Everyone believe this drama between Musk and Trump? I have a tough time buying it. 

A possibility,
Elon takes heat for helping cut costs, liberals attack
Elon departs his assignment after setting the DOGE organization up and illustrating Government waste and fraud.
Both Elon and Trump want more cuts in bill.
If Trump comes out and says that it is counter productive. Trump has to play somewhat nice to get votes for the bill.
Elon doesn't have to play nice AND gets the Libs off his butt. This helps get more things codified.
After dust settles they make up. Mission accomplished.

Love Elon, my dude!!

But I voted for Trump, not Elon..

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Everyone believe this drama between Musk and Trump? I have a tough time buying it. 

A possibility,
Elon takes heat for helping cut costs, liberals attack
Elon departs his assignment after setting the DOGE organization up and illustrating Government waste and fraud.
Both Elon and Trump want more cuts in bill.
If Trump comes out and says that it is counter productive. Trump has to play somewhat nice to get votes for the bill.
Elon doesn't have to play nice AND gets the Libs off his butt. This helps get more things codified.
After dust settles they make up. Mission accomplished.

Love Elon, my dude!!

But I voted for Trump, not Elon..

Well, amazing how interesting things can get.  They are both pretty volatile people.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Love Elon, my dude!!

But I voted for Trump, not Elon..

Well, amazing how interesting things can get.  They are both pretty volatile people.

I think they're both being hard headed..

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Well, amazing how interesting things can get.  They are both pretty volatile people.

I think they're both being hard headed..

You expected something different?

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Trump is about twice as popular as Elon. Like most rich people Elon overestimates his importance and influence.

He's right about it being a terrible bill though. The bill increases the deficit and for no good reason. The private economy has been humming for a couple of years, so the public economy should tighten its belt.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Trump is about twice as popular as Elon.  Like most rich people Elon overestimates his importance and influence.

He's right about it being a terrible bill though. The bill increases the deficit and for no good reason. The private economy has been humming for a couple of years, so the public economy should tighten its belt.

Yea the private economy hums real good when you dump 2 trillion a year into it on vapor ware projects.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Also we already know Trump's name is in the Epstein files. We know the two men had phone calls and we know Trump rode on Epstein's plane, though Trump denies this. There may or may not be more to it than that, but Elon saying "Trump is in the Epstein files" is technically correct.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Also we already know Trump's name is in the Epstein files.  We know the two men had phone calls and we know Trump rode on Epstein's plane, though Trump denies this.  There may or may not be more to it than that, but Elon saying "Trump is in the Epstein files" is technically correct.

Correct yes, but Elon is implying so much more.

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CCL Stroudcrowd1

https://youtu.be/Ci978d93Qi4?si=8WgOQJvkA5FzAy6p

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Also we already know Trump's name is in the Epstein files.  We know the two men had phone calls and we know Trump rode on Epstein's plane, though Trump denies this.  There may or may not be more to it than that, but Elon saying "Trump is in the Epstein files" is technically correct.

Correct yes, but Elon is implying so much more.

Agreed. Credulous at best though to think that file will ever be fully released for public disclosure. Someone tried to make a point, that, if Trump was heavily involved with Epstein that goes far beyond what Elon is implying, that, the Biden administration would have released it to drag him through the dirt.

Really dumb and invalid point to make when you factor in how dirty and deep that list must run with a wide variety of people on it. Every major label owner, brand leader, political party, business magnet, etc. They're all more than likely on that [BLEEP] list and they're all a massive Rat King.

Nobody wants to sink themselves in the process of taking down Trump. It would defeat the purpose. It would leave a permanent blackeye and pox on all parties and houses involved.

What I find pathetic now, is that, they're throwing P. Diddy into the rocks and linking him to Epstein to water it all down to some degree, however, it's all a big distraction. They're just going to sacrifice a few over-the-hill and washed celebrities now to cover all this dirt up instead of getting to the true, rotten core of the issue.

The Government cannot afford to have it's little operation between the CIA and Mossad exposed outright. That's where a lot of this dirty work stems from. Inhouse deep state nonsense whoring itself out to the highest bidders for ease of access, manipulation and control for a very small, select and powerful few. Nobody wants to hear that part though.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Correct yes, but Elon is implying so much more.

Agreed. Credulous at best though to think that file will ever be fully released for public disclosure. Someone tried to make a point, that, if Trump was heavily involved with Epstein that goes far beyond what Elon is implying, that, the Biden administration would have released it to drag him through the dirt.

Really dumb and invalid point to make when you factor in how dirty and deep that list must run with a wide variety of people on it. Every major label owner, brand leader, political party, business magnet, etc. They're all more than likely on that [BLEEP] list and they're all a massive Rat King.

Nobody wants to sink themselves in the process of taking down Trump. It would defeat the purpose. It would leave a permanent blackeye and pox on all parties and houses involved.

What I find pathetic now, is that, they're throwing P. Diddy into the rocks and linking him to Epstein to water it all down to some degree, however, it's all a big distraction. They're just going to sacrifice a few over-the-hill and washed celebrities now to cover all this dirt up instead of getting to the true, rotten core of the issue.

The Government cannot afford to have it's little operation between the CIA and Mossad exposed outright. That's where a lot of this dirty work stems from. Inhouse deep state nonsense whoring itself out to the highest bidders for ease of access, manipulation and control for a very small, select and powerful few. Nobody wants to hear that part though.

Personally I am not sure this spat was not staged by these two guys for a distraction. I can see them having quiet calls giggling about the reaction. All that was said is a nothing burger.  The press is distracted, people are rallying around Trump and the Democratic spin machine bolstered by the legacy propaganda media are at a loss on how to react. In order for this to be true these two guys would have to be playing chess ....

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

This world needs Dave Chapelle. 

https://youtube.com/shorts/e5XuKXe5mp0?s...otWl6C_NKP

Lol. That was hilarious.

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No, my comment was definitely about you being willfully ignorant about the subject.

What do you know about trans or intersex people, that I don't know, and that is relevant to this discussion? Please inform the ignorant.

It's your willful ignorance on how hormones are literally the workhorse of the body; how your hormones work with your body according to your sex which is determined by your chromosomes, not by gender preference. If you start adding to or taking away from the body the hormones it needs to function properly, you create an imbalance that affects everything in your body physically, mentally and emotionally. 

I've said this before in this forum. I've told you to do your own research and you possibly have but only believe what you want to believe. 

Whether folks believe in a divine creator or not nearly everyone knows men and women were built differently and for a reason. Yes, there are outliers like albinoism, intersex, dwarfism, gigantism, and a lot of issues that come about by chromosomal anomalies, but at the base of it all we are men and we are women. Period. Anything outside of our actual biology is a preference. A feeling. A choice. 


I don't care what these folks do in their lives. I'm a live and let live kind of person...but you accept where you are in society and in this case that means if you're a bio man who identifies as a woman, stay out of sports or start a transgender competition or league or whatever, because you are not a woman and you do not belong no matter what anyone says. And that goes for women who ID as men trying to compete with bio men. 

This is all I'm going to say to you about it so don't ask me any disingenuous questions or make disingenuous comments trying to get me to debate you about it. I've said what I've said.

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Amazing news ! The Democrats and the Judges they purchased wanted Kilmar Garcia back. Well, they appear to be getting their wish! The DOJ has investigated him because of the bright light they shined on him. See article....wow I would hate to be a Maryland man if this is what it is.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kilmar-...-nashville

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A new broom always sweeps clean.