(11-26-2018, 10:07 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:

(11-26-2018, 09:56 PM)JackCity Wrote: Tebow was a terrible QB.. Manziel was a very good college QB who was never going to translate. You didn't see their limitations because you put on blinders for players you like and die on those hills.

If you aren't willing to show your work that's fine. Just don't remand other people you plays when you aren't going to do it yourself.   

And yeah I disagree. When you look at the other QBs in the league it's pretty obvious.  

Here's a question for you, what do you think Griers weaknesses and limitations are?

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Yeah he's a considerable upgrade to Blake

I have already stated above that sometimes he tries to do to much when nothing is there when he should just take the sack or throw it away.  Another question mark is how will he handle better NFL defenses because most of the defenses he plays are trash.  He is also a much better runner with the football than his stats indicate, he can scramble and run when he needs to but he rarely ever does it which in certain situations it can be useful if used correctly.   Can he run a NFL style offense under center?  His limitations though are unknown, its kind of like you saying how high a guys ceiling is.  When Brees came out would you of said his ceiling was NFL all time leading passer?  Would you of said Brady's was the best QB ever?  Its just fiction where one has no clue unless they are psychic and can read the future.

Limitations are based on what we have seen from them so far. It doesn't take a genius for someone to watch Cody Kessler in college and say his arm will be a limitation in the NFL, that's just a reality of who is he is as a player, until he shows you it isn't.  

In the same way you would have said Lamar Jacksons accuracy is a limitation to his game, whether you are incorrect or correct that's something you would have noted based on watching him in college. So don't pretend that critiquing a player by noting their limitations is wrong.  

Using outliers as evidence is backwards logic. You are right in saying nobody knows for certain how good players can be, which is partly why evaluating players is so much fun for me. 

Remember , just because nobody knows for certain doesn't mean you can't give a take on how good or bad you think they will be. I mean, you do it all the time with players , you don't know for certain, but you give a take based on what you see. Same as me and same as anyone who is interested in the draft. 

It's a given.

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