Worse than 36-76 in 8 years?  Statistically speaking, there would only be about a 2% chance of finding someone with a worse record than that over 8 years.

If we do not improve on last year's 6-10 record, he has gotta go.

That's such a copout. There was literally nobody on the roster when Caldwell took over. He's done pretty well if not spectacular in the drafting aspect. If you want to criticize his player retention, that's one thing but the record of the team is reflective on the coaching,  plain and simple

Lets cut the Crap that Caldwell had nobody.  He also cut/traded good players like Daryl Smith and Monroe.

2012 Jaguar Roster of Notable players:

(RB)Jennings:  He went on to have an ok career.
(LT) Eugene Monroe
(WR) Cecil shorts
(TE) Marcedes Lewis
© Brad Meester
(DE) Tyson Alualu
(DE) Austin Lane
(MLB) Paul Posluszny
(OLB) Daryl Smith
(CB) Derek Cox
(K) Josh Scobee
(S) Landry, Lowery

The roster was not 100% bare.  Each and every one of those players contributed to a new team(outside meester)  Caldwell took a bad roster and made it worse by cutting it more.  Let's not even discuss Bortles.

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That's such a copout. There was literally nobody on the roster when Caldwell took over. He's done pretty well if not spectacular in the drafting aspect. If you want to criticize his player retention, that's one thing but the record of the team is reflective on the coaching,  plain and simple

Lets cut the Crap that Caldwell had nobody.  He also cut/traded good players like Daryl Smith and Monroe.

2012 Jaguar Roster of Notable players:

(RB)Jennings:  He went on to have an ok career.
(LT) Eugene Monroe
(WR) Cecil shorts
(TE) Marcedes Lewis
© Brad Meester
(DE) Tyson Alualu
(DE) Austin Lane
(MLB) Paul Posluszny
(OLB) Daryl Smith
(CB) Derek Cox
(K) Josh Scobee
(S) Landry, Lowery

The roster was not 100% bare.  Each and every one of those players contributed to a new team(outside meester)  Caldwell took a bad roster and made it worse by cutting it more.  Let's not even discuss Bortles.

He should have been fired just for picking Bortles and setting this franchise back a decade.  I swear Caldwell's relatives have to have accounts all over this board.

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

That's such a copout. There was literally nobody on the roster when Caldwell took over. He's done pretty well if not spectacular in the drafting aspect. If you want to criticize his player retention, that's one thing but the record of the team is reflective on the coaching,  plain and simple

Lets cut the Crap that Caldwell had nobody.  He also cut/traded good players like Daryl Smith and Monroe.

2012 Jaguar Roster of Notable players:

(RB)Jennings:  He went on to have an ok career.
(LT) Eugene Monroe
(WR) Cecil shorts
(TE) Marcedes Lewis
© Brad Meester
(DE) Tyson Alualu
(DE) Austin Lane
(MLB) Paul Posluszny
(OLB) Daryl Smith
(CB) Derek Cox
(K) Josh Scobee
(S) Landry, Lowery

The roster was not 100% bare.  Each and every one of those players contributed to a new team(outside meester)  Caldwell took a bad roster and made it worse by cutting it more.  Let's not even discuss Bortles.

This is an extremely disingenuous take.  Most of those players are out of the league and Alualu is a backup.  You're listing back up level players here for the most part man.  Most of them wouldn't (and didn't) start on another team.

Caldwell has his share of gaffes as a GM but this roster was trash when he got here.

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Wow...

Belichick had a winning season with Matt freaking Cassel
BB is one of the best ever in bringing out the best out of his players


Marrone and BB are nothing alike.
There is absolutely no point in comparing them.

Belichick received time to grow in NE, time bought to him by Brady. If a coach is truly defined by his talent only and can overcome a deficient roster, then why didn’t Belichick have an overall winning record before Brady? If you look at any consistently winning coach, not just him, you’ll always find a good QB behind him. Yes, good coaches can overcome or gloss over inadequate QBs and utilize other talent they have to have a winning season here or there. 2008 patriots, 2017 jags, 2008 dolphins, Jets with mark sanchez, etc but sooner or later if you don’t have The Man the bill will come due. You can only play around your QB for so long, we know that all too well in Jax

WTH are you talking about "Belichick received time to grow in NE"????  He won the Super Bowl in his 2nd season as head coach there!!! And 3 Super Bowls in his first 5 seasons, with only one losing season in 20 years (his first year there).  What the heck are you talking about?!?!?!?!? 

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

Lets cut the Crap that Caldwell had nobody.  He also cut/traded good players like Daryl Smith and Monroe.

2012 Jaguar Roster of Notable players:

(RB)Jennings:  He went on to have an ok career.
(LT) Eugene Monroe
(WR) Cecil shorts
(TE) Marcedes Lewis
© Brad Meester
(DE) Tyson Alualu
(DE) Austin Lane
(MLB) Paul Posluszny
(OLB) Daryl Smith
(CB) Derek Cox
(K) Josh Scobee
(S) Landry, Lowery

The roster was not 100% bare.  Each and every one of those players contributed to a new team(outside meester)  Caldwell took a bad roster and made it worse by cutting it more.  Let's not even discuss Bortles.

This is an extremely disingenuous take.  Most of those players are out of the league and Alualu is a backup.  You're listing back up level players here for the most part man.  Most of them wouldn't (and didn't) start on another team.

Caldwell has his share of gaffes as a GM but this roster was trash when he got here.

Tyson Alualu is the STARTING nose tackle for the Pittsburgh Steelers... one of the best defenses in the League.  And of course most of those players are out of the League now. That was EIGHT YEARS AGO. You have no idea what you are talking about.

https://www.steelers.com/team/depth-chart/

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

This is an extremely disingenuous take.  Most of those players are out of the league and Alualu is a backup.  You're listing back up level players here for the most part man.  Most of them wouldn't (and didn't) start on another team.

Caldwell has his share of gaffes as a GM but this roster was trash when he got here.

Tyson Alualu is the STARTING nose tackle for the Pittsburgh Steelers... one of the best defenses in the League.  And of course most of those players are out of the League now.  That was EIGHT YEARS AGO.  You have no idea what you are talking about.

https://www.steelers.com/team/depth-chart/

Forced into a starting role because they have nobody else.  Also hang on now.  We bagged on Gene for that pick forever.  We don't get to change the tune now.  The guy is average at best.

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Tyson Alualu is the STARTING nose tackle for the Pittsburgh Steelers... one of the best defenses in the League.  And of course most of those players are out of the League now.  That was EIGHT YEARS AGO.  You have no idea what you are talking about.

https://www.steelers.com/team/depth-chart/

Forced into a starting role because they have nobody else.  Also hang on now.  We bagged on Gene for that pick forever.  We don't get to change the tune now.  The guy is average at best.

Alu has been very good for Pit., when he was with us not so much

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Tyson Alualu is the STARTING nose tackle for the Pittsburgh Steelers... one of the best defenses in the League.  And of course most of those players are out of the League now.  That was EIGHT YEARS AGO.  You have no idea what you are talking about.

https://www.steelers.com/team/depth-chart/

Forced into a starting role because they have nobody else.  Also hang on now.  We bagged on Gene for that pick forever.  We don't get to change the tune now.  The guy is average at best.

We only bagged on him bc he took him in the upper first round.  If he was a 3rd rounder, it would have been a home run pick!  He has been an above average starter his whole career.  You are displaying your ignorance in every post right now.

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

Worse than 36-76 in 8 years?  Statistically speaking, there would only be about a 2% chance of finding someone with a worse record than that over 8 years.

If we do not improve on last year's 6-10 record, he has gotta go.

That's such a copout. There was literally nobody on the roster when Caldwell took over. He's done pretty well if not spectacular in the drafting aspect. If you want to criticize his player retention, that's one thing but the record of the team is reflective on the coaching,  plain and simple

Is 7-9 a fair bar in your mind for Caldwell to clear? Given the history of poor performance, I expect to see steps forward if he is going to keep his job. 7-9 seems generous in all honesty.

If we are going to make a change, next year will be the perfect time to attract the best candidate possible. The Jaguars job will be unusually attractive next offseason given the promising young talent, draft capital, and cap dollars.

I am more than happy to keep the brass if this team comes together and performs well, but we shouldn't fear change if they don't.

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Forced into a starting role because they have nobody else.  Also hang on now.  We bagged on Gene for that pick forever.  We don't get to change the tune now.  The guy is average at best.

Alu has been very good for Pit., when he was with us not so much

He was a good player for us each and every season.  The problem was people expected more from him because he was a first rounder.  If we picked him in the 2nd or 3rd round, we would be saying it was a great pick.  He has been above average his entire 11 year career.

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That's such a copout. There was literally nobody on the roster when Caldwell took over. He's done pretty well if not spectacular in the drafting aspect. If you want to criticize his player retention, that's one thing but the record of the team is reflective on the coaching,  plain and simple

Is 7-9 a fair bar in your mind for Caldwell to clear?  Given the history of poor performance, I expect to see steps forward if he is going to keep his job.  7-9 seems generous in all honesty.

If we are going to make a change, next year will be the perfect time to attract the best candidate possible.   The Jaguars job will be unusually attractive next offseason given the promising young talent, draft capital, and cap dollars.  

I am more than happy to keep the brass if this team comes together and performs well, but we shouldn't fear change if they don't.

 
EXACTLY.  Spot on.  7-9 is still our 3rd losing season in a row in the 8th year of Caldwell's regime, but I would be willing to keep him another season if we get there.  That is a reasonable bar to set.  As you said, 7-9 seems very generous. 6-10 or worse.... he's gotta go.

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

Alu has been very good for Pit., when he was with us not so much

He was a good player for us each and every season.  The problem was people expected more from him because he was a first rounder.  If we picked him in the 2nd or 3rd round, we would be saying it was a great pick.  He has been above average his entire 11 year career.

Tyson wasn't very good when he was here.  They drafted him to rush the passer and he has never been good at that.  
He was always decent against the run but later in his career he is even better at that and has crazy talent on both sides of him, behind him at LB/S, and all around him.  Tyson is just good at holding his point and not getting pushed around where he can help the talent around him make plays.

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He was a good player for us each and every season.  The problem was people expected more from him because he was a first rounder.  If we picked him in the 2nd or 3rd round, we would be saying it was a great pick.  He has been above average his entire 11 year career.

Tyson wasn't very good when he was here.  They drafted him to rush the passer and he has never been good at that.  
He was always decent against the run but later in his career he is even better at that and has crazy talent on both sides of him, behind him at LB/S, and all around him.  Tyson is just good at holding his point and not getting pushed around where he can help the talent around him make plays.

Wrong again.  He was above average in his player grades most years, until the Jags tried making him a DE.  Then he was out of position. And they did not draft him for his sack production, he is an interior lineman.  They drafted him to push the pocket and stuff the run.  Again, I am not defending Gene Smith for where he took him in the first round, but if you do not think he has been a good player, how has he been in the NFL making starts for 11 seasons?  Please do not make absurd arguments on here when you have no idea what you are talking about.

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

Tyson wasn't very good when he was here.  They drafted him to rush the passer and he has never been good at that.  
He was always decent against the run but later in his career he is even better at that and has crazy talent on both sides of him, behind him at LB/S, and all around him.  Tyson is just good at holding his point and not getting pushed around where he can help the talent around him make plays.

Wrong again.  He was above average in his player grades most years.  And they did not draft him for his sack production, he is an interior lineman.  He only had a handful of sacks in college... why would you think he'd do better in the pros?  They drafted him to push the pocket and stuff the run.  Again, I am not defending Gene Smith for where he took him in the first round, but if you do not think he has been a good player, how has he been an NFL starter for 11 seasons?  Please do not make absurd arguments on here when you have no idea what you are talking about.

You're wrong man, i dont care what the grades said when he was here.  They drafted him to be a 3tech not a NT, they drafted him on potential not production, pretty much the same reason we drafted Bryan.  Roy Miller was a much better NT when he was here and he definitely wasnt a better 3 tech than Marks.  He was good player to have come off the bench though.  Not to mention this is his 4th year at Pit and his 1st year starting for them.

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Wrong again.  He was above average in his player grades most years.  And they did not draft him for his sack production, he is an interior lineman.  He only had a handful of sacks in college... why would you think he'd do better in the pros?  They drafted him to push the pocket and stuff the run.  Again, I am not defending Gene Smith for where he took him in the first round, but if you do not think he has been a good player, how has he been an NFL starter for 11 seasons?  Please do not make absurd arguments on here when you have no idea what you are talking about.

You're wrong man, i dont care what the grades said when he was here.  They drafted him to be a 3tech not a NT, they drafted him on potential not production, pretty much the same reason we drafted Bryan.  Roy Miller was a much better NT when he was here and he definitely wasnt a better 3 tech than Marks.  He was good player to have come off the bench though.  Not to mention this is his 4th year at Pit and his 1st year starting for them.

A 3tech is an interior D-lineman.  Regardless, if he were a 3rd rounder, we'd have been loving him.  He was not a great player by any means, but if you're in the League for 11 seasons, you are doing something right.

Gene Smith was a disaster.  Absolute disaster.  I am not him defending AT ALL.  But Caldwell's winning percentage is even WORSE.  In eight years, his second best record is 6-10.  If we have a 3rd consecutive season of 6-10 or worse after all this time with him in charge, he has GOTTA GO.

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

I think Caldwell is a very good talent scout and knows when and where to draft players for the most part.

His problem is his ability to manage talent on the roster and his coaching hire decisions. You can draft all the talented players you want, but if you don't get a coach who can utilize them correctly then it doesn't matter. He should have fired Bradley much earlier, he probably should have fired Marrone as well by this point.

The GM is ultimately responsible for EVERYTHING about the team's success (or lack thereof, in our case).

I disagree with his ability to assess talent.  Because part of the talent assessment is character.  If you bring in a bunch of low character, "talented" players, you get 36-76 over 8 years.  And equally as important to bringing in great players, is bringing in a competent coaching staff.  He has hired 2 head coaches and has missed both times.  If we do not get to 7 or 8 wins this season MINIMUM, he needs to be shown the door.

What "low character guys?"

Telvin Smith made it to a Pro Bowl and his second contract, then he retired before all of this stuff hit the fan with him.  He was a captain at least part of the time here.

Allen Robinson didn't get into any trouble either here or in Chicago.  No signs he was a locker room cancer.  He wanted to play elsewhere, and part of that was due to TC.

Yannick Ngakoue was lauded throughout his career here for being a solid citizen.  When he got into the fight with Fowler, should be no big deal.  It's a football team.  Guys will fight, though admittedly I have rarely seen two guys on the same side of the ball come to blows.  When all was said and done, Fowler was deemed to be in the wrong and shipped out, not Ngakoue. Ir wasn't until TC ticked him (Ngakoue) off in contract negotiations that Ngakoue started being unhappy.  Just because players are upset with their teams over contract negotiations does not make them locker room cancers.  Players know that is part of the business.  MJD and DD both had their contract issues with the team, and they were, by all accounts, solid locker room guys.

That leaves three players who might be construed as "low character guys":  Fowler, Ramsey and Fournette.

The most Fowler is known to have done is gotten into fights-one with Yan and the other with the guy where he threw his beer into a pond.  Is he a hothead?  Perhaps.  A cancer?  I dunno.

Ramsey?  He was outspoken (GQ interview, armored car at training camp), wanted a new deal, faked a back injury to force a trade.  Apparently, the rest of the NFL didn't see him as a problem, because most of the league at least made inquiry regarding his trade availability.  The Rams were so undeterred by ramsey's alleged locker room villainy, they were willing to spend two first round picks and a 4th round pick to obtain him, and with him being on the team since last year, the Rams were still willing to sign him to a lucrative contract extension. 

Which leaves Fournette.  Not too much to say about fournette. 

I think the "character argument against Caldwell is weak in the overall scheme of things.  Being a tough negotiatior or reliant upon the experience and acumen of an agent who is s tough negotiator does not make you a person of low character.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

The GM is ultimately responsible for EVERYTHING about the team's success (or lack thereof, in our case).

I disagree with his ability to assess talent.  Because part of the talent assessment is character.  If you bring in a bunch of low character, "talented" players, you get 36-76 over 8 years.  And equally as important to bringing in great players, is bringing in a competent coaching staff.  He has hired 2 head coaches and has missed both times.  If we do not get to 7 or 8 wins this season MINIMUM, he needs to be shown the door.

What "low character guys?"

Telvin Smith made it to a Pro Bowl and his second contract, then he retired before all of this stuff hit the fan with him.  He was a captain at least part of the time here.

Allen Robinson didn't get into any trouble either here or in Chicago.  No signs he was a locker room cancer.  He wanted to play elsewhere, and part of that was due to TC.

Yannick Ngakoue was lauded throughout his career here for being a solid citizen.  When he got into the fight with Fowler, should be no big deal.  It's a football team.  Guys will fight, though admittedly I have rarely seen two guys on the same side of the ball come to blows.  When all was said and done, Fowler was deemed to be in the wrong and shipped out, not Ngakoue. Ir wasn't until TC ticked him (Ngakoue) off in contract negotiations that Ngakoue started being unhappy.  Just because players are upset with their teams over contract negotiations does not make them locker room cancers.  Players know that is part of the business.  MJD and DD both had their contract issues with the team, and they were, by all accounts, solid locker room guys.

That leaves three players who might be construed as "low character guys":  Fowler, Ramsey and Fournette.

The most Fowler is known to have done is gotten into fights-one with Yan and the other with the guy where he threw his beer into a pond.  Is he a hothead?  Perhaps.  A cancer?  I dunno.

Ramsey?  He was outspoken (GQ interview, armored car at training camp), wanted a new deal, faked a back injury to force a trade.  Apparently, the rest of the NFL didn't see him as a problem, because most of the league at least made inquiry regarding his trade availability.  The Rams were so undeterred by ramsey's alleged locker room villainy, they were willing to spend two first round picks and a 4th round pick to obtain him, and with him being on the team since last year, the Rams were still willing to sign him to a lucrative contract extension. 

Which leaves Fournette.  Not too much to say about fournette. 

I think the "character argument against Caldwell is weak in the overall scheme of things.  Being a tough negotiatior or reliant upon the experience and acumen of an agent who is s tough negotiator does not make you a person of low character.

Another Caldwell apologist?  Which one are you?  Cousin?  Nephew?  You guys are hysterical.

Give me your version of why everyone wants to leave Jacksonville then?  They CANNOT WAIT to get out of here.  They get excited when they land up in Cleveland.  Cleveland.  Ohio.  With the Browns.  That Cleveland.

This is a results-oriented business. There are no "moral victories". Our record with DC is 36-76.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  Enough said.

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

That's such a copout. There was literally nobody on the roster when Caldwell took over. He's done pretty well if not spectacular in the drafting aspect. If you want to criticize his player retention, that's one thing but the record of the team is reflective on the coaching,  plain and simple

Lets cut the Crap that Caldwell had nobody.  He also cut/traded good players like Daryl Smith and Monroe.

2012 Jaguar Roster of Notable players:

(RB)Jennings:  He went on to have an ok career.
(LT) Eugene Monroe
(WR) Cecil shorts
(TE) Marcedes Lewis
© Brad Meester
(DE) Tyson Alualu
(DE) Austin Lane
(MLB) Paul Posluszny
(OLB) Daryl Smith
(CB) Derek Cox
(K) Josh Scobee
(S) Landry, Lowery

The roster was not 100% bare.  Each and every one of those players contributed to a new team(outside meester)  Caldwell took a bad roster and made it worse by cutting it more.  Let's not even discuss Bortles.

He got rid of Smith, Monroe and Lewis too soon, that's for sure.

Scobee played a total of 4 games (and was horrible) for the Steelers and they cut him. Been out of the league since.

Meester was done and never played again.

Austen Lane played a total of 2 games after his time here.

Cox played 1 season with the Chargers and was out of the league.

Shorts played in 20 games over 2 seasons (with 2 different teams) after his time here and wasn't really that productive. 53 catches for 636 yards with 2 TD.

Landry and Lowery played 2 and 3 (for a different team in each of those 3 seasons) more years after their time here. Lowery was constantly hurt when he played for us (played in 11 games, 9 games and 3 games). Probably should have kept them for another season or 2, but Lowery always being hurt justified his cut and he had just drafted Cyprien to take Landry's spot. Landry was also 30 years old at the time.

Jennings pounded out a couple of average seasons (4) after his time here, but he's a dime a dozen player and he wasn't really that productive for us to begin with. 224 carries for 944 yards with 7 TD in 3 seasons here.

It's funny that you bring up Alualu honestly. This board did nothing but bash and trash on him during his entire career here. But he did play here for another 4 season after Caldwell got here...

Poz was here for 2 seasons before Caldwell got here and he played another 5 seasons since Caldwell has been here.

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This is an extremely disingenuous take.  Most of those players are out of the league and Alualu is a backup.  You're listing back up level players here for the most part man.  Most of them wouldn't (and didn't) start on another team.

Caldwell has his share of gaffes as a GM but this roster was trash when he got here.

Tyson Alualu is the STARTING nose tackle for the Pittsburgh Steelers... one of the best defenses in the League.  And of course most of those players are out of the League now.  That was EIGHT YEARS AGO.  You have no idea what you are talking about.

https://www.steelers.com/team/depth-chart/

Alualu sucked donkey dongs for us.  Only two drafted Jaguars defensive linemen in rivaled him for abject uselessness-Renaldo Wynn and Taven Bryan.  If you want to add free agents, throw in Hugh Douglas.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Tyson Alualu is the STARTING nose tackle for the Pittsburgh Steelers... one of the best defenses in the League.  And of course most of those players are out of the League now.  That was EIGHT YEARS AGO.  You have no idea what you are talking about.

https://www.steelers.com/team/depth-chart/

Alualu sucked donkey dongs for us.  Only two drafted Jaguars defensive linemen in rivaled him for abject uselessness-Renaldo Wynn and Taven Bryan.  If you want to add free agents, throw in Hugh Douglas.

Again, not a great player where he was taken as the 10th overall pick in the draft.  But if were a 3rd rounder, people would have loved him based on his production.  He's been in the League 11 years dude... obviously he's been doing SOMETHING right.

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

The GM is ultimately responsible for EVERYTHING about the team's success (or lack thereof, in our case).

I disagree with his ability to assess talent.  Because part of the talent assessment is character.  If you bring in a bunch of low character, "talented" players, you get 36-76 over 8 years.  And equally as important to bringing in great players, is bringing in a competent coaching staff.  He has hired 2 head coaches and has missed both times.  If we do not get to 7 or 8 wins this season MINIMUM, he needs to be shown the door.

What "low character guys?"

Telvin Smith made it to a Pro Bowl and his second contract, then he retired before all of this stuff hit the fan with him.  He was a captain at least part of the time here.

Allen Robinson didn't get into any trouble either here or in Chicago.  No signs he was a locker room cancer.  He wanted to play elsewhere, and part of that was due to TC.

Yannick Ngakoue was lauded throughout his career here for being a solid citizen.  When he got into the fight with Fowler, should be no big deal.  It's a football team.  Guys will fight, though admittedly I have rarely seen two guys on the same side of the ball come to blows.  When all was said and done, Fowler was deemed to be in the wrong and shipped out, not Ngakoue. Ir wasn't until TC ticked him (Ngakoue) off in contract negotiations that Ngakoue started being unhappy.  Just because players are upset with their teams over contract negotiations does not make them locker room cancers.  Players know that is part of the business.  MJD and DD both had their contract issues with the team, and they were, by all accounts, solid locker room guys.

That leaves three players who might be construed as "low character guys":  Fowler, Ramsey and Fournette.

The most Fowler is known to have done is gotten into fights-one with Yan and the other with the guy where he threw his beer into a pond.  Is he a hothead?  Perhaps.  A cancer?  I dunno.

Ramsey?  He was outspoken (GQ interview, armored car at training camp), wanted a new deal, faked a back injury to force a trade.  Apparently, the rest of the NFL didn't see him as a problem, because most of the league at least made inquiry regarding his trade availability.  The Rams were so undeterred by ramsey's alleged locker room villainy, they were willing to spend two first round picks and a 4th round pick to obtain him, and with him being on the team since last year, the Rams were still willing to sign him to a lucrative contract extension. 

Which leaves Fournette.  Not too much to say about fournette. 

I think the "character argument against Caldwell is weak in the overall scheme of things.  Being a tough negotiatior or reliant upon the experience and acumen of an agent who is s tough negotiator does not make you a person of low character.

Lmao trying to convince someone Ramsey is a good character guy lol.  Comedy Gold.

Agree with ARob, the ACL i feel also had something to do with us not offering him a big contract
 
Yawn did get into a couple fights with teammates, Fowler and Linder.  
Saved the money and got 2 1sts, a 2nd, 4th, and a 5th makes DC look like a Genius

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