Why do they have to televise this pointless trial on EVERY FRIGGIN CHANNEL? I have no interest in this, I'm snowed in and there is nothing to do!

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Why do they have to televise this pointless trial on EVERY FRIGGIN CHANNEL? I have no interest in this, I'm snowed in and there is nothing to do!

Every Channel ????

Dude, you need a better antenna.

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Why do they have to televise this pointless trial on EVERY FRIGGIN CHANNEL? I have no interest in this, I'm snowed in and there is nothing to do!

www.chess.com

I have no clue how to play chess.

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Why do they have to televise this pointless trial on EVERY FRIGGIN CHANNEL? I have no interest in this, I'm snowed in and there is nothing to do!

Every Channel ????

Dude, you need a better antenna.

Don't laugh, but I was mad about it being on network TV. It replaced The Young and The Restless on CBS and the story lines were finally getting good.

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I have no clue how to play chess.

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Every Channel ????

Dude, you need a better antenna.

Don't laugh, but I was mad about it being on network TV. It replaced The Young and The Restless on CBS and the story lines were finally getting good.

I’ll reserve my laughter.  It actually takes a man to admit that.  But if you don’t know how to play chess, do you have a wife? You can try playing with that...

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I just heard testimony that Trump spent 50 MILLION dollars on ads baselessly calling the election fraudulent between December 1st and January 6th.  Wow. 

His hands are dirty as [BLEEP]. 

His propensity to simply lie to a base that would rather adopt "alternative facts" than accept that he was lying through his teeth has finally caught up to him, and he'll be rightfully impeached for it.

Then it wasn’t his speech on the 6th the caused everyone to storm the capitol building? His commercials running for a month ahead of time whipped every one into a frenzy? Why wasn’t there more security in Washington that day if anyone really believed any of the [BLEEP] they’re now trying to push? 

It was his speech, no, the commercials. No, it’s because he lies so impeach him!!!
Keep moving those goal posts around ...eventually you might land on something that sticks.

Bingo.  This whole thing is nothing more than political showboating.  It's nothing more than the left's (not just the "far" left) hatred of him.

The puppet President Biden comes in and cancels contracts for the Keystone pipeline and leases for drilling.  It puts thousands of people out of jobs... good paying jobs.  He then opens the border and removes the "terrorist" designation from people that chant "Death to America".

All of those orders that the President Dear Leader gave were nothing more than to undo the many great things that President Trump did for our country.

He is "on trial" in a political stunt because a few bad apples (aided by far left groups) from a mostly peaceful protest went too far.

In the meantime the far left want more "stimulus" ("free" money) to be handed out and are demanding that people that actually pay taxes pay of other's obligations (student loans).

That is the truth and what is actually happening right now.  We are slowly turning into a Cuba or a Venezuela.  It's pretty sad actually.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

I just heard testimony that Trump spent 50 MILLION dollars on ads baselessly calling the election fraudulent between December 1st and January 6th.  Wow. 

His hands are dirty as [BLEEP]. 

His propensity to simply lie to a base that would rather adopt "alternative facts" than accept that he was lying through his teeth has finally caught up to him, and he'll be rightfully impeached for it.

Then it wasn’t his speech on the 6th the caused everyone to storm the capitol building? His commercials running for a month ahead of time whipped every one into a frenzy? Why wasn’t there more security in Washington that day if anyone really believed any of the [BLEEP] they’re now trying to push? 

It was his speech, no, the commercials. No, it’s because he lies so impeach him!!!
Keep moving those goal posts around ...eventually you might land on something that sticks.

I have kept my goalposts in the same place since the 6th.

Did Trump delay the call of the National Guard,
And was he even the one who called them?

The Acting Sec Def and Pence know the answer to those questions.

If it was Trump who called them, and he called them the moment he heard the building was breached, then he can maintain plausible deniability about whether he incited the crowd that day or in the weeks leading up.  If he didn't, then, he loses the benefit of the doubt about ALL of his questionable speeches.  

Obviously, I'm frustrated with Democrats that they apparently haven't tried to subpoena Pence or the Secretary of Defense or the Secretary of the Army to get those answers.  I hope they already have the answer and will reveal them tomorrow.

You Trumpers can't handle these questions.  JIB tried to hand wave it like the Vulcan-Jedi hybrid he seems to think he is. The rest of you ignore it. Either your lack of respect for me makes you fail to engage my argument in your mind, or, like JIB, you're fundamentally simpletons who will lean on circular reasoning like "that's what the constitution says so of course that's what happened," failing to realize that "was the Constitution actually followed?" is precisely the question.

What I want to hear from some of you is:
"Yes, if there was proof someone else made the call and Trump didn't want the call made, that would mean Trump was trying to end the Constitution as we've known it for 232 years."

What I want to know is that each of you have a line - a piece of proof or evidence that would convince you that Trump should be convicted and prohibited from holding office again. I don't think any of you do.  I've seen no bottom.  I've seen no desire to participate in reality.  

I've seen no appreciation of the lessons from Roman history that the Founders knew. The Founders knew that factions form in Republics, they knew that the Factions would escalate their abuses of power to hurt the other Faction's chances of gaining or using power.  Most importantly they knew that you couldn't predict when the back and forth tussle would end and which Faction would have its man as permanent Dictator when it was over.  Sulla won his war with Marius, but he instituted reforms then gave up absolute power. Julius Caesar prevailed over Pompey, but we can't be sure what he was about to do with absolute power because he was assassinated so quickly. It was the crisis after his assassination that was the last straw for the republic. The assassins who thought they were preserving the republic were the straw that broke the camel's back.

You guys all seem to "know" that the Democrats are a threat to the Republic, you just don't realize that that the Republicans are as well.  The desire to knock over the game board and start a dictatorship exists on both sides. Your guy could be Caesar OR you could be Brutus, and you won't know until it's too late. When you realize that, you'll be trying to reconcile like me so we can all avoid the whole game.

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I have no clue how to play chess.

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Don't laugh, but I was mad about it being on network TV. It replaced The Young and The Restless on CBS and the story lines were finally getting good.

I’ll reserve my laughter.  It actually takes a man to admit that.  But if you don’t know how to play chess, do you have a wife? You can try playing with that...

No wife. I'd get bored playing with the same old thing all the time. 

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Only two people have the authority to call up the national guard in Washington DC. That is the President and the Secretary of Defense. Neither of those positions are held by Mike Pence.

https://dc.ng.mil/About-Us/

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

Only two people have the authority to call up the national guard in Washington DC. That is the President and the Secretary of Defense. Neither of those positions are held by Mike Pence.

https://dc.ng.mil/About-Us/

Just because it's not supposed to happen doesn't mean it didn't happen.
And what if the Secretary of Defense called them against Trump's wishes?
What if Christopher Miller testifies, "Yes, I called them.  The President didn't want me to but I did."
Or what if some documentary evidence proves that, even if Miller won't admit it?
What would you say then?
Or what if he says, "the two of us hatched a plan to delay calling the guard and make it look like incompetence.  We were hoping the riot would end up doing enough damage that they wouldn't be able to re-convene and we could declare martial law over the whole country"
What would you say then?

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This is an odd crowd.
You believe that multiple states, including Republican led states, violated the Constitution as a favor to Joe Biden, yet your reply to the idea that the Vice President or Secretary of Defense might have gone outside the normal chain of command, you can't believe that. "Oh of course not. The law says it doesn't work like that. So it didn't work like that, that day."

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

This whole thing is a waste of time and taxpayer dollars. How anyone with half a brain can say this is constitutional is beyond me. 

I loathed Trump's rantings and ravings but he exposed the truth about the government and the media and, at the very end, big tech in ways we have never seen before. His disposition certainly exposed the progressive left's hate and discontent for all things they don't agree with. I knew they could be self absorbed and whiny, I was truly surprised at how vicious they are when their little safety bubble is disrupted and they have to exist outside of their fantasyland. Life isn't a safe space you jacktards. 

The Republicans who voted in favor of this sham have sold their souls to the lowest bidder and will reap what they sow when the Democrats come after them at some point, or they're voted out of office. I do believe Trump was right when he said, "they're not after me, they're after you. I'm just in their way." Or however he said it. They're coming after anyone who is not for them, whether it's from DC or the education system, the media or big tech.

Because it is patently constitutional?  The mother [BLEEP] incited a riot.

Your dislike of the left has entirely blinded you to reality.  My condolences.

Dude, learn something. Impeachment is to remove an official from office. He is no longer president. How do you remove someone who is not there? I have read opinions on this from lawyers on all sides and they all said it is not constitutional. 

My dislike of politicians in general has me seeing just fine. They're all corrupt.

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Because it is patently constitutional?  The mother [BLEEP] incited a riot.

Your dislike of the left has entirely blinded you to reality.  My condolences.

Dude, learn something. Impeachment is to remove an official from office. He is no longer president. How do you remove someone who is not there? I have read opinions on this from lawyers on all sides and they all said it is not constitutional. 

My dislike of politicians in general has me seeing just fine. They're all corrupt.

To remove, yes, also to prevent them from ever again holding office.
Odd. The lawyers I read say it is constitutional, or that it is ambiguous.
Again, the founders knew their Roman history.
When they designed the transition of power, were they thinking that, in the last days of his term, the President would be able to do whatever it took to hold on to power, with no possibility of punishment if he failed, because, "oh he's already removed, problem solved"?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Mike is an authoritarian lackey. He still believes the MSM who has a PROVEN track record of lying about Trump. He doesn't care about facts. Pence calling in the national guard fits his narrative. It was packaged for him to readily digest, so he eats it up, and regurgitates it. Without questioning it. How many times do you need to be lied to, bro?

Look, is there a chance Pence called the national guard? Sure, I guess. But we are talking about Mike freaking Pence. The guy that wouldn't turn on Trump when Pelosi unconstitutionally suggested he do so. Pence. The guy who wouldn't challenge the electoral votes even though Trump told him to do so. Pence is basically the walking embodiment of rule-following. I guess he could have just been like, "[BLEEP] it," I'm going in.

How about, if I can say there is some chance, however small, that Pence broke rank for the first time in his life and made an executive decision on his own, can you just admit there is a chance the petty, lying media just fed you another [BLEEP] story about Trump? Can you give me something today, Mikey? Or am I going to have to read your response that will probably go something like, "Um, actually, Pence knew he had to do this to save lies, and the if the media were lying, people clearly wouldn't watch it anymore, duh."

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Mike is an authoritarian lackey. He still believes the MSM who has a PROVEN track record of lying about Trump. He doesn't care about facts. Pence calling in the national guard fits his narrative. It was packaged for him to readily digest, so he eats it up, and regurgitates it. Without questioning it. How many times do you need to be lied to, bro?

Look, is there a chance Pence called the national guard? Sure, I guess. But we are talking about Mike freaking Pence. The guy that wouldn't turn on Trump when Pelosi unconstitutionally suggested he do so. Pence. The guy who wouldn't challenge the electoral votes even though Trump told him to do so. Pence is basically the walking embodiment of rule-following. I guess he could have just been like, "[BLEEP] it," I'm going in.

How about, if I can say there is some chance, however small, that Pence broke rank for the first time in his life and made an executive decision on his own, can you just admit there is a chance the petty, lying media just fed you another [BLEEP] story about Trump? Can you give me something today, Mikey? Or am I going to have to read your response that will probably go something like, "Um, actually, Pence knew he had to do this to save lies, and the if the media were lying, people clearly wouldn't watch it anymore, duh."

You didn't do what I asked.
I don't care how likely you think it is that Pence or Miller did something Trump didn't want them to do.
I asked you, and any other Trumper, if it was proven that Trump didn't want to call the NG and someone else did it for him, would you finally agree with me, that the Senate should convict and Trump should never hold office again?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Mike is an authoritarian lackey. He still believes the MSM who has a PROVEN track record of lying about Trump. He doesn't care about facts. Pence calling in the national guard fits his narrative. It was packaged for him to readily digest, so he eats it up, and regurgitates it. Without questioning it. How many times do you need to be lied to, bro?

Look, is there a chance Pence called the national guard? Sure, I guess. But we are talking about Mike freaking Pence. The guy that wouldn't turn on Trump when Pelosi unconstitutionally suggested he do so. Pence. The guy who wouldn't challenge the electoral votes even though Trump told him to do so. Pence is basically the walking embodiment of rule-following. I guess he could have just been like, "[BLEEP] it," I'm going in.

How about, if I can say there is some chance, however small, that Pence broke rank for the first time in his life and made an executive decision on his own, can you just admit there is a chance the petty, lying media just fed you another [BLEEP] story about Trump? Can you give me something today, Mikey? Or am I going to have to read your response that will probably go something like, "Um, actually, Pence knew he had to do this to save lies, and the if the media were lying, people clearly wouldn't watch it anymore, duh."

You didn't do what I asked.
I don't care how likely you think it is that Pence or Miller did something Trump didn't want them to do.
I asked you, and any other Trumper, if it was proven that Trump didn't want to call the NG and someone else did it for him, would you finally agree with me, that the Senate should convict and Trump should never hold office again?

No.  What are you even talking about?

1.)  This entire proceeding is patently unconstitutional.  

2.) He is charged with inciting a riot.  I am a little fuzzy how asking a group of people to peacefully go down to the capital and cheer on people who vote their way is "inciting a riot."  

This isn't about justice, the constitution or anything of the sort.  This is about codifying collective justice into the American Ethos through political theater.  Plain and simple.  There is no way that You could establish Mens Rea to support the Idea that Trump wanted the protestors to devolve into a riot.  That's childish.  This is about, well the people who did it were trump supporters, so that means that Trump or anyone who supported him, funded him, or helped him can then be essentially unpersoned under the law.  We don't believe in collective guilt in this country.  We believe that each person should be judged on their own actions, intentions, and behaviors. We also believe in a free society, so much so that the freedom of speech is enshrined in the first amendment.  In a free society speech ESPECIALLY INCENDIARY POLITICAL SPEECH is not only allowed but essential to the public discourse as an alternative to persistent civil war.  Any individual that DIRECTS or CALLS FOR VIOLENCE can be culpable.  Obviously those who COMMIT VIOLENCE can be held culpable, but the insinuation that just because someone arouses passions that they are then responsible for anyone who acts out of said passions is fundamentally antithetical to a free society and the congress shoving aside the constitution to pursue that brand of collective justice would not just be an attack on our democratic republic, but the end of it!

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You didn't do what I asked.
I don't care how likely you think it is that Pence or Miller did something Trump didn't want them to do.
I asked you, and any other Trumper, if it was proven that Trump didn't want to call the NG and someone else did it for him, would you finally agree with me, that the Senate should convict and Trump should never hold office again?

No.  What are you even talking about?

1.)  This entire proceeding is patently unconstitutional.  

2.) He is charged with inciting a riot.  I am a little fuzzy how asking a group of people to peacefully go down to the capital and cheer on people who vote their way is "inciting a riot."  

This isn't about justice, the constitution or anything of the sort.  This is about codifying collective justice into the American Ethos through political theater.  Plain and simple.  There is no way that You could establish Mens Rea to support the Idea that Trump wanted the protestors to devolve into a riot.  That's childish.  This is about, well the people who did it were trump supporters, so that means that Trump or anyone who supported him, funded him, or helped him can then be essentially unpersoned under the law.  We don't believe in collective guilt in this country.  We believe that each person should be judged on their own actions, intentions, and behaviors. We also believe in a free society, so much so that the freedom of speech is enshrined in the first amendment.  In a free society speech ESPECIALLY INCENDIARY POLITICAL SPEECH is not only allowed but essential to the public discourse as an alternative to persistent civil war.  Any individual that DIRECTS or CALLS FOR VIOLENCE can be culpable.  Obviously those who COMMIT VIOLENCE can be held culpable, but the insinuation that just because someone arouses passions that they are then responsible for anyone who acts out of said passions is fundamentally antithetical to a free society and the congress shoving aside the constitution to pursue that brand of collective justice would not just be an attack on our democratic republic, but the end of it!

We're already to collective racism in white people, collective guilt for crimes is just a short hop away.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Mike is an authoritarian lackey. He still believes the MSM who has a PROVEN track record of lying about Trump. He doesn't care about facts. Pence calling in the national guard fits his narrative. It was packaged for him to readily digest, so he eats it up, and regurgitates it. Without questioning it. How many times do you need to be lied to, bro?

Look, is there a chance Pence called the national guard? Sure, I guess. But we are talking about Mike freaking Pence. The guy that wouldn't turn on Trump when Pelosi unconstitutionally suggested he do so. Pence. The guy who wouldn't challenge the electoral votes even though Trump told him to do so. Pence is basically the walking embodiment of rule-following. I guess he could have just been like, "[BLEEP] it," I'm going in.

How about, if I can say there is some chance, however small, that Pence broke rank for the first time in his life and made an executive decision on his own, can you just admit there is a chance the petty, lying media just fed you another [BLEEP] story about Trump? Can you give me something today, Mikey? Or am I going to have to read your response that will probably go something like, "Um, actually, Pence knew he had to do this to save lies, and the if the media were lying, people clearly wouldn't watch it anymore, duh."

You didn't do what I asked.
I don't care how likely you think it is that Pence or Miller did something Trump didn't want them to do.
I asked you, and any other Trumper, if it was proven that Trump didn't want to call the NG and someone else did it for him, would you finally agree with me, that the Senate should convict and Trump should never hold office again?

Sure. If it was proven that Trump wanted to let the Capitol be destroyed, you guys can impeach the guy that was already removed from office. Now you go. If they fail to prove that Trump wouldn't authorize the use of the national guard, you gonna admit this is a stupid waste of time? Go one further for me, just for [BLEEP] and giggles. If they prove that Trump authorized the NG and was actively trying to figure out why they weren't deploying, are you going to admit that the new sources you frequent are a bunch of lying hacks with a very partisan agenda? Will you be capable of carrying that knowledge forward in a way that makes your arguments less [BLEEP]? 

As to the impeachment itself, not sure it's unconstitutional. I think if a crime were egregious enough, you could do it to make a statement, especially if proceeding began before they left office. However, I don't think any of this is being done for that reason. It's theatrics. It's being done because they hate the man. Impeachment and removal was always their goal (which is easy enough to prove), and they can spin this enough to make it seem like they were justified in hating him. Don't think you're going to get any evidence of anything. But, sure... have your fantasy.

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You didn't do what I asked.
I don't care how likely you think it is that Pence or Miller did something Trump didn't want them to do.
I asked you, and any other Trumper, if it was proven that Trump didn't want to call the NG and someone else did it for him, would you finally agree with me, that the Senate should convict and Trump should never hold office again?

No.  What are you even talking about?

1.)  This entire proceeding is patently unconstitutional.  

Stopped reading there.
You're wrong, it is constitutional, but lets agree to disagree about it.
Let's pretend McConnell treated this like an emergency and the trial was happening but it wasn't January 20 yet. Now answer my question.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

No.  What are you even talking about?

1.)  This entire proceeding is patently unconstitutional.  

Stopped reading there.
You're wrong, it is constitutional, but lets agree to disagree about it.
Let's pretend McConnell treated this like an emergency and the trial was happening but it wasn't January 20 yet. Now answer my question.

But it’s February 11th. That ship has sailed off into the sunset. End credits...turn the lights on and don’t forget to throw away your popcorn bucket on the way out.

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

Stopped reading there.
You're wrong, it is constitutional, but lets agree to disagree about it.
Let's pretend McConnell treated this like an emergency and the trial was happening but it wasn't January 20 yet. Now answer my question.

But it’s February 11th. That ship has sailed off into the sunset. End credits...turn the lights on and don’t forget to throw away your popcorn bucket on the way out.

And Trump gets to run again in 2024?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

But it’s February 11th. That ship has sailed off into the sunset. End credits...turn the lights on and don’t forget to throw away your popcorn bucket on the way out.

And Trump gets to run again in 2024?

Then they should have taken care of it when he was still president, don’t ya think?  What part of HE’S NOT THE PRESIDENT ANYMORE do you not understand?

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???