(02-10-2021, 06:15 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote:

(02-10-2021, 02:53 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: I just heard testimony that Trump spent 50 MILLION dollars on ads baselessly calling the election fraudulent between December 1st and January 6th.  Wow. 

His hands are dirty as [BLEEP]. 

His propensity to simply lie to a base that would rather adopt "alternative facts" than accept that he was lying through his teeth has finally caught up to him, and he'll be rightfully impeached for it.

Then it wasn’t his speech on the 6th the caused everyone to storm the capitol building? His commercials running for a month ahead of time whipped every one into a frenzy? Why wasn’t there more security in Washington that day if anyone really believed any of the [BLEEP] they’re now trying to push? 

It was his speech, no, the commercials. No, it’s because he lies so impeach him!!!
Keep moving those goal posts around ...eventually you might land on something that sticks.

I have kept my goalposts in the same place since the 6th.

Did Trump delay the call of the National Guard,
And was he even the one who called them?

The Acting Sec Def and Pence know the answer to those questions.

If it was Trump who called them, and he called them the moment he heard the building was breached, then he can maintain plausible deniability about whether he incited the crowd that day or in the weeks leading up.  If he didn't, then, he loses the benefit of the doubt about ALL of his questionable speeches.  

Obviously, I'm frustrated with Democrats that they apparently haven't tried to subpoena Pence or the Secretary of Defense or the Secretary of the Army to get those answers.  I hope they already have the answer and will reveal them tomorrow.

You Trumpers can't handle these questions.  JIB tried to hand wave it like the Vulcan-Jedi hybrid he seems to think he is. The rest of you ignore it. Either your lack of respect for me makes you fail to engage my argument in your mind, or, like JIB, you're fundamentally simpletons who will lean on circular reasoning like "that's what the constitution says so of course that's what happened," failing to realize that "was the Constitution actually followed?" is precisely the question.

What I want to hear from some of you is:
"Yes, if there was proof someone else made the call and Trump didn't want the call made, that would mean Trump was trying to end the Constitution as we've known it for 232 years."

What I want to know is that each of you have a line - a piece of proof or evidence that would convince you that Trump should be convicted and prohibited from holding office again. I don't think any of you do.  I've seen no bottom.  I've seen no desire to participate in reality.  

I've seen no appreciation of the lessons from Roman history that the Founders knew. The Founders knew that factions form in Republics, they knew that the Factions would escalate their abuses of power to hurt the other Faction's chances of gaining or using power.  Most importantly they knew that you couldn't predict when the back and forth tussle would end and which Faction would have its man as permanent Dictator when it was over.  Sulla won his war with Marius, but he instituted reforms then gave up absolute power. Julius Caesar prevailed over Pompey, but we can't be sure what he was about to do with absolute power because he was assassinated so quickly. It was the crisis after his assassination that was the last straw for the republic. The assassins who thought they were preserving the republic were the straw that broke the camel's back.

You guys all seem to "know" that the Democrats are a threat to the Republic, you just don't realize that that the Republicans are as well.  The desire to knock over the game board and start a dictatorship exists on both sides. Your guy could be Caesar OR you could be Brutus, and you won't know until it's too late. When you realize that, you'll be trying to reconcile like me so we can all avoid the whole game.

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