Riley Reiff just signed with the Bengals

Wow! That changes a lot! I can see the Bengals now selecting Kyle Pitts.

They could take Pitts.  If they were smart, they'd take Sewell if he were still on the board.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Just heard Urban state on GMF that they are still working on getting the TE position improved during free agency. Might we see a trade for Zach Ertz? Don't know if any other TE's still out there are worth acquiring, vs addressing in the draft.

At this point in his career, Ertz is a downgrade from Hunter Henry and Jonnu Smith. Plus, we'd have to likely give up a mid round pick for Ertz. Pass.

The argument that he isn't worth a mid-round pick is legitimate, but what relevance does Henry or Smith have at this point?  They have already signed with another team.  The question is what is the best option from this point moving forward.  If you don't like Ertz, what do you suggest?

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At this point in his career, Ertz is a downgrade from Hunter Henry and Jonnu Smith. Plus, we'd have to likely give up a mid round pick for Ertz. Pass.

The argument that he isn't worth a mid-round pick is legitimate, but what relevance does Henry or Smith have at this point?  They have already signed with another team.  The question is what is the best option from this point moving forward.  If you don't like Ertz, what do you suggest?

Njoku may be available for a mid round pick.

I might also consider a push for OJ Howard, but he is coming off of an Achilles' injury.

Does anyone know what happened with Even Engram?  Why wasn't he successful with the Giants?

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

The argument that he isn't worth a mid-round pick is legitimate, but what relevance does Henry or Smith have at this point?  They have already signed with another team.  The question is what is the best option from this point moving forward.  If you don't like Ertz, what do you suggest?

Njoku may be available for a mid round pick.

I might also consider a push for OJ Howard, but he is coming off of an Achilles' injury.

Does anyone know what happened with Even Engram?  Why wasn't he successful with the Giants?

Njoku, Howard, Ertz and maybe Herndon from NYJ?

TE is rarely bare and Im shocked the Jags have done nothing. Can’t rely on a rookie TE.

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I don't get this.  People are convinced that Cam Robinson can improve after four seasons and 50 starts, but there's a 0% chance that a player who has been limited to 4 games in two seasons because of injury can't?  That makes no sense!

The roster spot argument is ridiculous.  We're not under 53 roster limit right now.  Besides, injuries are the biggest concern with Oliver.  If he's injured again, players on injured reserve don't count as a roster spot.  You then have to remember that the pick we're getting is conditional.  That means if he doesn't make the Ravens, we get absolutely nothing.  In simplistic terms, there's two scenarios here:

Oliver is Bad:  In this case, we get NOTHING.
Oliver is Good:  We gave up an early 3rd rounder at a position of desperate need for a very late 7th rounder.

This is a classic case of heads we tie, tails we lose.  If you think that's a good bet, Las Vegas casinos would love you.

What you fail to recognize though is that the past 32 times that coin flipped, it landed on tails all but a very few times. If you expect the outcome to be heads, you are likely denying what you already know.

Has anyone considered that Urbz and or Bevell aren't looking for TE like Oliver? If that's the case, why would they bother keeping him around if they are looking for someone more inline blocker than field-stretching receiver? Truth is, we don't know. I'm just choosing not to wad my shorts up over a guy who has accounted for nothing while he's been here. If we get something for him, super. If we don't, we got the chance to move on and hopefully develop someone who can either stay on the field or at least account for 20 yards in their career.

I'm not saying it is a big deal.  He very well may fail and if so, we lost nothing by dumping him.  However, when there's a free raffle, what's the harm in trying?  If your ticket isn't picked, you lose nothing.  If you win, you win big.  Any frustration of mine is that too many people on here can't follow a simple logical argument.

Your "32 coin flips" isn't a good analogy.  It's not as if Oliver missed 28 games because he got hurt on 28 separate occasions.  The issue is that it doesn't make much logical sense to dump an early draft pick who is still under a very inexpensive contract when he has only played in 4 games, particularly when it is currently a position of desperate need.  People need to forget about the so-called pick.  This is a garbage pick in a garbage round and even then it's conditional.  The argument supporting the trade is that keeping Oliver is hopeless because he completely sucks.  If so, we don't even get that garbage pick.  For all intents and purposes, Oliver was cut.  With keeping him, there was no downside and a potential upside.  That's all I'm saying.

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Wow! That changes a lot! I can see the Bengals now selecting Kyle Pitts.

They could take Pitts.  If they were smart, they'd take Sewell if he were still on the board.

They are set at OT now. Jonah Williams looked really good for a rookie last season. He was only penalized twice and gave up only 3 sacks in his first year at LT. He also graded out at 70.1, which is way higher than any of our OT's. With him at LT and Reiff at RT, the Bengals are set. I look for Cincinnati to either take Pitts or trade down. I'd offer them the #25, #33 and A.J. Can to move up into that spot.

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They could take Pitts.  If they were smart, they'd take Sewell if he were still on the board.

They are set at OT now. Jonah Williams looked really good for a rookie last season. He was only penalized twice and gave up only 3 sacks in his first year at LT. He also graded out at 70.1, which is way higher than any of our OT's. With him at LT and Reiff at RT, the Bengals are set. I look for Cincinnati to either take Pitts or trade down. I'd offer them the #25, #33 and A.J. Can to move up into that spot.

From a trade value chart perspective, that wouldn't get it done.  I explained it on the college board and I'll give the short version here.

The #7 is worth 1500 points.  The #5 Cincy owns is worth 1700.

To get to 7, the Jaguars could offer the #25 (720), #33 (580) and get to 1300 points.  We'd have to offer the 3rd rounder (265) to get to Detroit at 7.  I don't think Cann is worth a high 3rd rounder in trade.   We'd have to offer the #45 (450 points) to get to 5-if Cincy would be open to that move.

Of course, that deal would leave Cincy with #25, #33, #36, and #45.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

They are set at OT now. Jonah Williams looked really good for a rookie last season. He was only penalized twice and gave up only 3 sacks in his first year at LT. He also graded out at 70.1, which is way higher than any of our OT's. With him at LT and Reiff at RT, the Bengals are set. I look for Cincinnati to either take Pitts or trade down. I'd offer them the #25, #33 and A.J. Can to move up into that spot.

From a trade value chart perspective, that wouldn't get it done.  I explained it on the college board and I'll give the short version here.

The #7 is worth 1500 points.  The #5 Cincy owns is worth 1700.

To get to 7, the Jaguars could offer the #25 (720), #33 (580) and get to 1300 points.  We'd have to offer the 3rd rounder (265) to get to Detroit at 7.  I don't think Cann is worth a high 3rd rounder in trade.   We'd have to offer the #45 (450 points) to get to 5-if Cincy would be open to that move.

Of course, that deal would leave Cincy with #25, #33, #36, and #45.

Fine. I offer #25, #33, a 3rd rounder in 2022 and A.J. Cann.

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From a trade value chart perspective, that wouldn't get it done.  I explained it on the college board and I'll give the short version here.

The #7 is worth 1500 points.  The #5 Cincy owns is worth 1700.

To get to 7, the Jaguars could offer the #25 (720), #33 (580) and get to 1300 points.  We'd have to offer the 3rd rounder (265) to get to Detroit at 7.  I don't think Cann is worth a high 3rd rounder in trade.   We'd have to offer the #45 (450 points) to get to 5-if Cincy would be open to that move.

Of course, that deal would leave Cincy with #25, #33, #36, and #45.

Fine. I offer #25, #33, a 3rd rounder in 2022 and A.J. Cann.

Hard pass. building this team through the draft. We are not the Yankees

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

I don't get this.  People are convinced that Cam Robinson can improve after four seasons and 50 starts, but there's a 0% chance that a player who has been limited to 4 games in two seasons because of injury can't?  That makes no sense!

The roster spot argument is ridiculous.  We're not under 53 roster limit right now.  Besides, injuries are the biggest concern with Oliver.  If he's injured again, players on injured reserve don't count as a roster spot.  You then have to remember that the pick we're getting is conditional.  That means if he doesn't make the Ravens, we get absolutely nothing.  In simplistic terms, there's two scenarios here:

Oliver is Bad:  In this case, we get NOTHING.
Oliver is Good:  We gave up an early 3rd rounder at a position of desperate need for a very late 7th rounder.

This is a classic case of heads we tie, tails we lose.  If you think that's a good bet, Las Vegas casinos would love you.

What you fail to recognize though is that the past 32 times that coin flipped, it landed on tails all but a very few times. If you expect the outcome to be heads, you are likely denying what you already know.

Has anyone considered that Urbz and or Bevell aren't looking for TE like Oliver? If that's the case, why would they bother keeping him around if they are looking for someone more inline blocker than field-stretching receiver? Truth is, we don't know. I'm just choosing not to wad my shorts up over a guy who has accounted for nothing while he's been here. If we get something for him, super. If we don't, we got the chance to move on and hopefully develop someone who can either stay on the field or at least account for 20 yards in their career.

I don't know if they're looking for one like Oliver.  But if they aren't looking for a receiving TE, they aren't as smart as I had hoped they were.

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Fix the O-Line!

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1373...65828?s=20

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Oesher is such a tool. He calls the free agency take on tight end "so far, so good"

https://www.jaguars.com/news/free-agency...nshew-more

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Fine. I offer #25, #33, a 3rd rounder in 2022 and A.J. Cann.

Hard pass. building this team through the draft. We are not the Yankees

You would still be building through the draft if you traded up.

Just using his solution, At the end of the day, you'd still have two first round picks (#1, #5) a mid 2nd round pick (#45), a 3rd round pick (#65), two 4th round picks, two 5th round picks, and our 7th rounder.

That's two picks more than the standard allotment, two of the top 5 picks, 3 of the first 45 and 4 of the top 65..

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1373...65828?s=20

CJ Beathard was a 3rd round pick in the 2017 draft out of Iowa, the 6th QB taken in that draft.  In his 4 years, all with the 49ers as a backup, he has started 12 games due to starter injuries.  For his career, he has an 81.1 passer rating, completing 58.6% and throwing 18 TDs against 13 interceptions.  He was drafted the season after Baalke departed as GM.  He seems more of competition for the 3rd QB role to me and possibly a camp arm, but you never know.

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https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1373...65828?s=20

CJ Beathard was a 3rd round pick in the 2017 draft out of Iowa, the 6th QB taken in that draft.  In his 4 years, all with the 49ers as a backup, he has started 12 games due to starter injuries.  For his career, he has an 81.1 passer rating, completing 58.6% and throwing 18 TDs against 13 interceptions.  He was drafted the season after Baalke departed as GM.  He seems more of competition for the 3rd QB role to me and possibly a camp arm, but you never know.

I'd rather keep Minshew as the backup, but if he moves on to compete for a start somewhere, Beathard isn't the worst backup. I'd rather him than Glennon or Luton

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https://twitter.com/E_Dilla/status/13730...99076?s=20

Watch your mouth

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Fine. I offer #25, #33, a 3rd rounder in 2022 and A.J. Cann.

Hard pass. building this team through the draft. We are not the Yankees

Exactly. We'd be trading up in the draft to select an upgrade on the second most critical position on the entire team. A position that currently has a below average player "protecting" a very crucial piece of this team's future. It would be well worth it to ensure Lawrence's safety. That's building a team through the draft.

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Oesher is such a tool.  He calls the free agency take on tight end "so far, so good"

https://www.jaguars.com/news/free-agency...nshew-more

He's just a mindless drone, parroting the sentiment of the front office. Did you expect something different? I hate that guy.

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CJ Beathard was a 3rd round pick in the 2017 draft out of Iowa, the 6th QB taken in that draft.  In his 4 years, all with the 49ers as a backup, he has started 12 games due to starter injuries.  For his career, he has an 81.1 passer rating, completing 58.6% and throwing 18 TDs against 13 interceptions.  He was drafted the season after Baalke departed as GM.  He seems more of competition for the 3rd QB role to me and possibly a camp arm, but you never know.

I'd rather keep Minshew as the backup, but if he moves on to compete for a start somewhere, Beathard isn't the worst backup. I'd rather him than Glennon or Luton

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https://twitter.com/E_Dilla/status/13730...99076?s=20

Watch your mouth

Sign Beathard and trade Minshew for a 5th rounder. I don't see a whole lot of difference between the two QB's. We get a decent backup and we get another mid round pick. Sounds good to me.

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With Harris and Reiff signing somewhere else and us not having done anything to improve the TE position (even though we had/have plenty of cap space), gotta say the last few days have been rather dissappointing.
Also looks like we arent signing anyone else (Meyer posted a „welcome to duval“ with an image of all signed players...

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https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/stat...53734?s=19

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Hopefully Conley stays in Houston and gets signed

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https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/stat...53734?s=19

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Hopefully Conley stays in Houston and gets signed

It's so funny. The Texans are just signing tons of guys to 1 year deals that nobody else wants. LOL.

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https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/stat...53734?s=19

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Hopefully Conley stays in Houston and gets signed

It's so funny. The Texans are just signing tons of guys to 1 year deals that nobody else wants. LOL.

Not even our signing of Phillip Dorsett kept me from laughing at the Texans signing Done Moncrief.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!