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homebiscuit · 09-12-2021, 05:36 PM

(09-12-2021, 05:34 PM)Mandeezee Wrote:
(09-12-2021, 05:22 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: What the hell are you talking about? Since when did that become a measurable for running backs?

No...what the hell are you NOT talking about...

In the 21st century its not about 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Though giving Robinson credit he is more like 4-8 yards. Which is great...but you need a back that pretty regularly pops out for 20, 30, 40 yards.

You know a Fred Taylor type. The reason Urban drafted Etienne.

Especially against zone defense.

Okay, that explains it. You're posting in the wrong thread.

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MoJagFan · 09-12-2021, 05:36 PM

(09-12-2021, 05:34 PM)Mandeezee Wrote:
(09-12-2021, 05:22 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: What the hell are you talking about? Since when did that become a measurable for running backs?

No...what the hell are you NOT talking about...

In the 21st century its not about 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Though giving Robinson credit he is more like 4-8 yards. Which is great...but you need a back that pretty regularly pops out for 20, 30, 40 yards.

You know a Fred Taylor type. The reason Urban drafted Etienne.

Especially against zone defense.

Fred Taylor and then MOJO were really special and under appreciated. You know he is rare right? Robinson a work horse is the norm. Yes some teams have dynamic backs that perform like you suggest but they are in hybrid systems.

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Eric1 · 09-12-2021, 05:37 PM

(09-12-2021, 05:34 PM)Mandeezee Wrote:
(09-12-2021, 05:22 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: What the hell are you talking about? Since when did that become a measurable for running backs?

No...what the hell are you NOT talking about...

In the 21st century its not about 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Though giving Robinson credit he is more like 4-8 yards. Which is great...but you need a back that pretty regularly pops out for 20, 30, 40 yards.

You know a Fred Taylor type. The reason Urban drafted Etienne.

Especially against zone defense.

A Fred Taylor type LOL.. Because those kind of talents come around all the time huh? We haven't seen a Fred Taylor type since Adrian Peterson.

Mandeezee · 09-12-2021, 05:38 PM

(09-12-2021, 05:28 PM)MoJagFan Wrote:
(09-12-2021, 05:22 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: What the hell are you talking about? Since when did that become a measurable for running backs?

Apparently not only has Urban not watched any of the previous Robinson games but you missed then as well. Hey he was selected as a top player in the off season but now he is just an *OR*

Longest rush?
Number of runs over 20 yards?

He's a good back long as you have a number 2 back who is the lightning.

iHaunting Raven · 09-12-2021, 05:42 PM

(09-12-2021, 05:38 PM)Mandeezee Wrote:
(09-12-2021, 05:28 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: Apparently not only has Urban not watched any of the previous Robinson games but you missed then as well. Hey he was selected as a top player in the off season but now he is just an *OR*

Longest rush?
Number of runs over 20 yards?

He's a good back long as you have a number 2 back who is the lightning.

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**flsprtsgod** · 09-12-2021, 05:45 PM

(09-12-2021, 05:31 PM)NoShoes Wrote:
(09-12-2021, 05:25 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: 5.0 YPC is a gold standard and both backs were right at this number today. Too bad they only got 14 carries between them.

I believe Jim brown and Barry sanders are the only two backs to average 5 for a career. Gold standard is 4.0 lol.

But your point remains. We ran well when we did run.

Your explanation proves my point exactly; 4.0 is a pro standard, 5.0 is the best of the best.

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Mandeezee · 09-12-2021, 05:46 PM

(09-12-2021, 05:36 PM)MoJagFan Wrote:
(09-12-2021, 05:34 PM)Mandeezee Wrote: No...what the hell are you NOT talking about...

In the 21st century its not about 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Though giving Robinson credit he is more like 4-8 yards. Which is great...but you need a back that pretty regularly pops out for 20, 30, 40 yards.

You know a Fred Taylor type. The reason Urban drafted Etienne.

Especially against zone defense.

Fred Taylor and then MOJO were really special and under appreciated. You know he is rare right? Robinson a work horse is the norm. Yes some teams have dynamic backs that perform like you suggest but they are in hybrid systems.

Yes he is the "norm" = nothing special.

(09-12-2021, 05:42 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote:
(09-12-2021, 05:38 PM)Mandeezee Wrote: Longest rush?
Number of runs over 20 yards?

He's a good back long as you have a number 2 back who is the lightning.

Nice gif...but can you answer the two questions...

**flsprtsgod** · 09-12-2021, 05:52 PM

(09-12-2021, 05:46 PM)Mandeezee Wrote:
(09-12-2021, 05:36 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: Fred Taylor and then MOJO were really special and under appreciated. You know he is rare right? Robinson a work horse is the norm. Yes some teams have dynamic backs that perform like you suggest but they are in hybrid systems.

Yes he is the "norm" = nothing special.

(09-12-2021, 05:42 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote:

Nice gif...but can you answer the two questions...

Lol, the answers are unimportant. That you think they are proves the .gif.

“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Mandeezee · 09-12-2021, 05:52 PM

(09-12-2021, 05:37 PM)Eric1 Wrote:
(09-12-2021, 05:34 PM)Mandeezee Wrote: No...what the hell are you NOT talking about...

In the 21st century its not about 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Though giving Robinson credit he is more like 4-8 yards. Which is great...but you need a back that pretty regularly pops out for 20, 30, 40 yards.

You know a Fred Taylor type. The reason Urban drafted Etienne.

Especially against zone defense.

A Fred Taylor type LOL.. Because those kind of talents come around all the time huh? We haven't seen a Fred Taylor type since Adrian Peterson.

Chubb
McCaffery
Kamara
Mixon
Josh Jacob's
Cook
D. Henry
Aaron Jones
Carson
Gordon
Jonathan Taylor

Just naming some who have the finishing speed.

(09-12-2021, 05:52 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(09-12-2021, 05:46 PM)Mandeezee Wrote: Yes he is the "norm" = nothing special.

Nice gif...but can you answer the two questions...

Lol, the answers are unimportant. That you think they are proves the .gif.

I accept your redirection lol.

**flsprtsgod** · 09-12-2021, 05:57 PM

(09-12-2021, 05:52 PM)Mandeezee Wrote:
(09-12-2021, 05:37 PM)Eric1 Wrote: A Fred Taylor type LOL.. Because those kind of talents come around all the time huh? We haven't seen a Fred Taylor type since Adrian Peterson.

Chubb
McCaffery
Kamara
Mixon
Josh Jacob's
Cook
D. Henry
Aaron Jones
Carson
Gordon
Jonathan Taylor

Just naming some who have the finishing speed.

(09-12-2021, 05:52 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Lol, the answers are unimportant. That you think they are proves the .gif.

I accept your redirection lol.

They matter as much as his bench press, 3 cone, and daily caloric intake stats, ie not at all. He's 4.5 ypc on 240 carries with 10 total TDs in 14 games. That's what matters. It's ok man, you can just admit you made a bad call and took your lumps.

“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

iHaunting Raven · 09-12-2021, 05:59 PM

(09-12-2021, 05:57 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(09-12-2021, 05:52 PM)Mandeezee Wrote: Chubb
McCaffery
Kamara
Mixon
Josh Jacob's
Cook
D. Henry
Aaron Jones
Carson
Gordon
Jonathan Taylor

Just naming some who have the finishing speed.

I accept your redirection lol.

They matter as much as his bench press, 3 cone, and daily caloric intake stats, ie not at all. He's 4.5 ypc on 240 carries with 10 total TDs in 14 games. That's what matters.

On a 1-15 team with a below average O-line and awful QB play... as an undrafted rookie...

"Treyvon Wallet is elite run defender and better overall than Aidan Hutchinson" 11/11/23

**flsprtsgod** · 09-12-2021, 06:00 PM

(09-12-2021, 05:59 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote:
(09-12-2021, 05:57 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: They matter as much as his bench press, 3 cone, and daily caloric intake stats, ie not at all. He's 4.5 ypc on 240 carries with 10 total TDs in 14 games. That's what matters.

On a 1-15 team with a below average O-line and awful QB play... as an undrafted rookie...

Totally a guy you don't want on the field.

“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

MoJagFan · 09-12-2021, 06:02 PM

(09-12-2021, 05:59 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote:
(09-12-2021, 05:57 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: They matter as much as his bench press, 3 cone, and daily caloric intake stats, ie not at all. He's 4.5 ypc on 240 carries with 10 total TDs in 14 games. That's what matters.

On a 1-15 team with a below average O-line and awful QB play... as an undrafted rookie...

With every game plan to stop him.

In your list of backs, none of them are like Fred Taylor. Take away playing us 2x a year and Henry's long runs are diminished. Lol

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Mandeezee · 09-12-2021, 06:04 PM

For the live if anything holy...keep Wingard off the field!!!!

p_rushing · 09-12-2021, 07:15 PM

(09-12-2021, 05:09 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: https://twitter.com/miaobrientv/status/1...81476?s=21

I agree ^

(09-12-2021, 05:19 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: Robinson should be running more; there is no reason Trevor should be attempting 51 passes in his first career start

(09-12-2021, 05:20 PM)Mowerguy Wrote:
(09-12-2021, 05:09 PM)NYC4jag Wrote: https://twitter.com/miaobrientv/status/1...81476?s=21

I agree ^

How last years dominant scorer can be ignored certainly is a head scratcher.

Didn't our OC get run out of town because he didn't run the ball enough?

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TheBmanCometh · 09-12-2021, 07:22 PM

Out-Everything today. Period.

BORTLES ISN'T A FRANCHISE QB. FOURNETTE WILL BE A BUST.

rufftime · 09-12-2021, 07:33 PM

Meyer was bad and he should feel bad.

Bullseye · 09-12-2021, 08:00 PM

(09-12-2021, 04:41 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I just don't see Meyer lasting passed this season. He's not used to losing at all. I bet he walks away after the season, if not before.

I don't see him being one and done. Even Spurrier lasted two seasons.

That said:

1. It is still quite early and he DID take over a 1-15 team. There will likely be another 4-5 weeks of adjustment.

2. On the bright side, if he leaves immediately after this year, we're at least in a position to pursue Pederson.

Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!

homebiscuit · 09-12-2021, 08:13 PM

It's difficult to believe people are already talking about Meyer leaving after one game. Good gravy, he's just coached his first NFL game, give him a chance to adjust.

The problem is so many folks were wearing Trevor Lawrence glasses that they forgot about the rest of the team coming off a 1-15 season with an all new staff.

New coaches+bad players+inexperienced QB=rough season. We got the change we wanted from last year, let's give it time to develop.

Cleatwood · 09-12-2021, 08:19 PM

(09-12-2021, 08:13 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: It's difficult to believe people are already talking about Meyer leaving after one game. Good gravy, he's just coached his first NFL game, give him a chance to adjust.

The problem is so many folks were wearing Trevor Lawrence glasses that they forgot about the rest of the team coming off a 1-15 season with an all new staff.

New coaches+bad players+inexperienced QB=rough season. We got the change we wanted from last year, let's give it time to develop.

Culley coached his first game with a far worse roster and yet severely outcoached Urban.

There were so many issues here but Shipley lays it out better than me.

https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/gameday/t...owout-loss