(03-17-2023, 09:20 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:

(03-17-2023, 08:50 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Tre Herndons deep balls allowed in 4th quarters that we had the lead in may have spcifically cost us like 3 wins this past season, only way i'm good with him as depth is if theres a backup infront of him and he's a last resort.

Herndon is decent depth at nickel and it took the new staff a minute to figure that out - but they did in the end. 
Blame the coaches for not kicking Williams outside as soon as Griffin imploded, not the backup nickel they unwisely played outside. 

The funny part of your post is that Herndon played 9 games. 
SEVEN WINS - TWO LOSSES  - but you're blaming him for three?
OK

He had four bad games statistically out of the nine and only two of them were losses. 
 One was a blowout win for the Jags. None of them have the look of something you could pin on Herndon but the giants game, and it sure seems the defense's inability to stop Barkley and Daniel Jones on the ground played a larger role in the loss than Herndon did. 

 If you want to pin that on the 5th DB on the roster, go for it. If Griffin hadn't sucked so bad and the staff hadn't played Williams out of position, Herndon would never have been in that spot, but go ahead. 

In my mind, I just hope we bring in enough cheap competition in July that Herndon gets beat out for a spot on the 53.

(03-17-2023, 10:20 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:

(03-17-2023, 09:20 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Herndon is decent depth at nickel and it took the new staff a minute to figure that out - but they did in the end. 
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Excuse me lord stat keeper, sometimes I do get Herndon and Griffin mixed up, but both of them were responsible for some attrocious late game scores by the opposing team. Whether it was 2 or 3, I don't know and i'm not gonna bother myself to look through it now. But during the season all we heard was "DERRR IF OUR DEFENSE DIDNT BLOW A LAST MIN TD WE WOULDA WON!!" from you and others.. and most of the time it was off a long pass on the sideline against either Griffin or Herndon. 

Point is, theres a reason our D was dramatically improved when the front office finally did what most of us wanted them to do from the start and moved that bum inside and allowed Williams to play outside. Theres A LOT of fans who think Williams is a top tier outside CB on this forum and it's laughable, he's really NOT.. he's just so much better than the two bums he proceeded to replace that it felt that way.

Regardless, Herndon is a terrible player.. the kind of guy who comes in off the bench and the opposing offense knows where to go with the ball. Is he OK as a backup? Sure whatever but he's not someone I'd actively try to keep on the roster.

Also what do you mean 5th DB on the roster? When Griffin went down HE PLAYED AS THE #2 TO CAMPBELL. And he actively LOST games for us.

Shaq Griffin, somehow was just as bad or worse then Herndon giving up deep outside passes late in the 4th but regardless both of them were absolute trash when it was crunch time and not much better any other time.

(03-19-2023, 04:15 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:

(03-18-2023, 11:12 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: LOL
OK

I think you've changed the point and moved the goalposts three times already, but have fun with that. 
I'm not gonna sit here and argue about whether a backup DB gave up passes or not.
(Hint: we all [BLEEP] knew that already, you moron)

Good luck claiming you were the "original" poster on where Williams should play, I remember several regulars posting doubts about his slot play the day he was signed and you were not one of them. 

If you think it's time to take some victory lap on this herpherndonsuckderp narrative, go for it pal. 
The only debate on the guy is if he sucks bad enough to get a measly one year deal - or if he sucks bad enough to be allowed to walk entirely.  I don't see much meat to chew on there. 

BTW - you claimed repeatedly that he lost us 3 games. Which games, [BLEEP]? Third time I've asked with no answer.

Well it's funny you should mention this sir, because you are right, I wasn't suggesting he play outside because of my "Doubts" of his ability to play in the slot. My suggestion was to move him outside because Griffin was playing like crap weeks 1-2 and Williams was actually a GOOD outside corner last season with the Rams. 

I did not hop on the train of saying his sucked in the slot, that wasn't me you're right. What I said was in week 1-2 and had nothing to do with his slot coverage ability, but the lack of ability shown by Griffin at that point in the season.


Here is something from November.. involving you

(11-02-2022, 12:46 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: I'd be more inclined to have Darius Williams in that spot personally, or at the very least have some safety help.

(11-02-2022, 12:53 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Looking back at the play Herndon got torched on the sideline at the end of the Broncos game, It would appear that either Cisco was either in the wrong spot, or we intended to have Tre outside 1 on 1. Either way, he isn't a good enough DB to trust like that I think most of us would agree.

(11-02-2022, 12:58 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Then they'll just create the same mismatch on the nickel-back.

It's chess, and we have too many pawns, not enough heavy/royal pieces on the board in our back seven. 

Oluokun is playing through injury- not himself, Lloyd is great but he's a rookie learning NFL coverage, Herndon is a decent backup at best covering for a bad starter on IR, Williams may or may not play better outside, but they JUST got him acclimated to the slot. 
Jenkins is a roller coaster of good and bad, but hurts the team at crucial moments sometimes. Cisco is coming along nicely and Campbell is a stud. 

That's not the make up of a good coverage unit. It's one that good coordinators will pick on. If Griffin played up to his contract this would be easier to mitigate. He can't and we don't have the depth to overcome it.

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What are you on about now? 

You found posts where I talked about Herndon getting beat? Great. That was never in question or debate. Everyone and their brother knows this happened many times. 
(You said that "All you heard" from me were posts blaming Herndon or Griffin for blowing the game early on in the year - still haven't found that have you?) 

You found posts where you talked about wanting Herndon in the slot and Williams outside?  Great. That was never in question or debate. Many posters wanted that from the get go (WAY SOONER THAN THAT November post of yours), and I eventually wanted it too after seeing DW struggle enough inside combined with Herndon struggling outside. This was never in question either. 
 

Here's what was in question? 
What three games did he personally cost us? You said he lost us three games.  You still haven't answered the question? That was what STARTED ALL OF THIS. 

Name the three games.

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