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(11-13-2023, 02:22 AM)p_rushing Wrote:
(11-12-2023, 06:09 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: They definitely installed more sideline routes this year - and rightfully so since they acquired a real X receiver. 
It is definitely not working out the way they planned though.
Between the pressure being quick and frequent and the acquired receiver getting bumped off routes it just hasn't come together often. It's fair to put some of it on Trevor, but he has hit some good ones to Ridley down the sideline and he's also thrown him several incompletions that way that drew a PI flag. So it's a mixed bag of results, but not as effective as they planned.
Ridley isn't an X WR. He needs to lineup at different spots and run all types of routes. His routes versus previous years are very telling.

This stupid offense has broken Trevor because he has to wait longer before coming off the 1st read. Trevor was great last year at reading the defense and finding the open WR. Now he can't find the open WR and when he does, he seems to hesitate for a split second before then seeing the rush and stumbling around into a sack.

They really need to go back to last year and run every route from every position. Break the rules, the trends, and make the DBs have to guess which WR is which on every play.

It's going to take a team effort to fix this but it has to start at the top. If Pederson keeps saying they have to execute better, they won't be winning the division. A great coach would adjust when his players can't execute the plays that are being called.

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Nah

Ridley is fine in his role here. Not what we hoped, but fine. He isn't the problem. He'd get more targets if our line was better, he has almost exactly as many DPI calls as receptions and he's definitely clearing room for Kirk/Engram to work at times. 

Did you think Pederson was gonna toss out his play book and install Dirk Koetter's from the 2019 falcons? 
If he did, who is playing the Julio Jones role? 

That Ridley-routes narrative is a non-starter. He's running effective routes. 

They didn't run every route from every position last year as you stated.
Kirk ran 90% of his routes from the slot. 
Marvin was mostly Z and Zay was mostly X. 

The only difference is that when they put Ridley at X - they gave him a few deeper routes, sprinkled in more sideline routes .   Two different players.  The one advantage Ridley isn't getting is from pre snap motion or being used/hidden in bunch formations. They could do that more to get him clean coming off the LOS. They use it on other receivers more than Ridley. 

Bottom line:
Fix the line and the passing game goes through the roof.
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(11-13-2023, 11:24 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(11-13-2023, 02:22 AM)p_rushing Wrote: Ridley isn't an X WR. He needs to lineup at different spots and run all types of routes. His routes versus previous years are very telling.

This stupid offense has broken Trevor because he has to wait longer before coming off the 1st read. Trevor was great last year at reading the defense and finding the open WR. Now he can't find the open WR and when he does, he seems to hesitate for a split second before then seeing the rush and stumbling around into a sack.

They really need to go back to last year and run every route from every position. Break the rules, the trends, and make the DBs have to guess which WR is which on every play.

It's going to take a team effort to fix this but it has to start at the top. If Pederson keeps saying they have to execute better, they won't be winning the division. A great coach would adjust when his players can't execute the plays that are being called.

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Nah

Ridley is fine in his role here. Not what we hoped, but fine. He isn't the problem. He'd get more targets if our line was better, he has almost exactly as many DPI calls as receptions and he's definitely clearing room for Kirk/Engram to work at times. 

Did you think Pederson was gonna toss out his play book and install Dirk Koetter's from the 2019 falcons? 
If he did, who is playing the Julio Jones role? 

That Ridley-routes narrative is a non-starter. He's running effective routes. 

They didn't run every route from every position last year as you stated.
Kirk ran 90% of his routes from the slot. 
Marvin was mostly Z and Zay was mostly X. 

The only difference is that when they put Ridley at X - they gave him a few deeper routes and sprinkled in more sideline routes.   Two different players.  The one advantage Ridley isn't getting is from pre snap motion or being used/hidden in bunch formations. They could do that more to get him clean coming off the LOS. They use it on other receivers more than Ridley. 

Bottom line:
Fix the line and the passing game goes through the roof.

Well, damn it, tell Press Taylor to quit missing his [BLEEP] blocks! *kicks Press Taylor*
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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(11-13-2023, 11:24 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(11-13-2023, 02:22 AM)p_rushing Wrote: Ridley isn't an X WR. He needs to lineup at different spots and run all types of routes. His routes versus previous years are very telling.

This stupid offense has broken Trevor because he has to wait longer before coming off the 1st read. Trevor was great last year at reading the defense and finding the open WR. Now he can't find the open WR and when he does, he seems to hesitate for a split second before then seeing the rush and stumbling around into a sack.

They really need to go back to last year and run every route from every position. Break the rules, the trends, and make the DBs have to guess which WR is which on every play.

It's going to take a team effort to fix this but it has to start at the top. If Pederson keeps saying they have to execute better, they won't be winning the division. A great coach would adjust when his players can't execute the plays that are being called.

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Nah

Ridley is fine in his role here. Not what we hoped, but fine. He isn't the problem. He'd get more targets if our line was better, he has almost exactly as many DPI calls as receptions and he's definitely clearing room for Kirk/Engram to work at times. 

Did you think Pederson was gonna toss out his play book and install Dirk Koetter's from the 2019 falcons? 
If he did, who is playing the Julio Jones role? 

That Ridley-routes narrative is a non-starter. He's running effective routes. 

They didn't run every route from every position last year as you stated.
Kirk ran 90% of his routes from the slot. 
Marvin was mostly Z and Zay was mostly X. 

The only difference is that when they put Ridley at X - they gave him deeper routes and sideline routes more often than they gave them to Zay.  Two different players. 

Fix the line and the passing game goes through the roof.

Yesterday is what happens when you get totally dominated in the trenches. (both OL and DL)  The 49ers were a team on a mission after 3 bad losses to send a message to the league. They had 2 weeks to get healthy while stewing over the 3 game losing streak. 

The opponent had no fear of us throwing anything more than maybe 15 yards downfield.  They also had no fear of us getting to their QB before their receivers could run their routes properly.
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BTW

Strange has done nothing (I don't think he is a bad player, I actually think he can develop into a solid TE but still)
Bigsby... do I really need to say anything?
Miller? Lacy? Abdullah?

Meanwhile our O-line looks like [BLEEP] and the whole offense is pathetic without Zay freaking Jones. In Baalke we trust though!
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Inb4 we somehow sneak into the superbowl only to get mauled by the 9ers again lol
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(11-13-2023, 11:40 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(11-13-2023, 11:24 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [...]

Bottom line:
Fix the line and the passing game goes through the roof.

Well, damn it, tell Press Taylor to quit missing his [BLEEP] blocks! *kicks Press Taylor*

[extremely Louis Armstrong voice] Zat you, Urbz?

(11-13-2023, 01:40 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Inb4 we somehow sneak into the superbowl only to get mauled by the 9ers again lol

Dude, I'd freaking take it in a heartbeat.
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My view from the outside is that some fans prefers the confort of always losing than experiencing the pains of  winning.  What this team, and staff, has done is incredible, we still a young team learning how to deal with success, heck we got even younger this year with (I think) 8 rookies making the final 53 over older guys.

Look at the depth, our oldest Safety is Jenkins with 29, Cisco is 23!!!! Our oldest RB is D'Ernest with 27 years old. what about our QB who is only 24. Starting in our OL we have a RT with 21, a LG with 24 and a C with 25. On The Edges we have Travon with 22 and Allen with 26. CB after Williams(30) we have Campbell with 23, Gregory Junior 24 and "Buster" Brown with 24.

We still learning how to win and how to deal with expectations, I predict this team will be fine because I have seen this team come back just last year, and talking about Pederson, in the Eagles in 2018 that team came back after a humiliating loss to the saints 48-7, and end up losing in the divisional round.

I understand that we want to win and we want it now, but consistency only comes with time
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Good perspective Marcos. We are 6-3. That is more wins than most seasons in recent memory. Let’s not abandon all hope after one beat down.
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(11-13-2023, 01:40 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Inb4 we somehow sneak into the superbowl only to get mauled by the 9ers again lol

Plot twist: Jags maul the Niners to win the Superb Owl.
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(11-13-2023, 03:38 PM)Newton Wrote: Good perspective Marcos. We are 6-3. That is more wins than most seasons in recent memory. Let’s not abandon all hope after one beat down.

Correct. This team just needs to give itself the proverbial gut check. We should still beat TEN both times, they are not a good football team right now, at least not playing well at the moment. Houston is the game that we REALLY need to win, split the series, and hope they slip up vs Denver and/or the Jets so we can take the division cleanly. In all honesty, if we beat TEN 2x and Houston, we should at least beat Carolina with a good shot vs TB too. That's 11 wins if those happen. Let's say we slip and lose 1 of those, still 10 wins. Not sure if we finish 2nd in the division if we get the 7th seed tho.
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(11-13-2023, 03:57 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(11-13-2023, 01:40 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Inb4 we somehow sneak into the superbowl only to get mauled by the 9ers again lol

Plot twist: Jags maul the Niners to win the Superb Owl.

Would be an awesome story to be destroyed by them and then get revenge in the Bowl.
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6-3 might be a winning record. probom now is jags have to win next 2 games to make the playoffs.  if they lose one of them we could b this years team that tottatly collpeses like tittians did last year.  they were 7-3,and then they went on a 7 game loseing streak to end up  7-10.  Jags have to win the next to games,espaissley being divsion games.  we have to win next 2 games somehow.




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(11-13-2023, 05:55 PM)snowwolf776 Wrote: 6-3 might be a winning record. probom now is jags have to win next 2 games to make the playoffs.  if they lose one of them we could b this years team that tottatly collpeses like tittians did last year.  they were 7-3,and then they went on a 7 game loseing streak to end up  7-10.  Jags have to win the next to games,espaissley being divsion games.  we have to win next 2 games somehow.

So we go 1-1 the next two means we're going to lose for two straight MONTHS? Really?
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(11-13-2023, 05:56 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(11-13-2023, 05:55 PM)snowwolf776 Wrote: 6-3 might be a winning record. probom now is jags have to win next 2 games to make the playoffs.  if they lose one of them we could b this years team that tottatly collpeses like tittians did last year.  they were 7-3,and then they went on a 7 game loseing streak to end up  7-10.  Jags have to win the next to games,espaissley being divsion games.  we have to win next 2 games somehow.

So we go 1-1 the next two means we're going to lose for two straight MONTHS? Really?

Dude, if we don't beat the tin horns, we don't win the division.  It's just that simple.

That game will basically decide who's on the rise in the AFC South and who's just a mediocre wild card contender.  It may sound like I'm being overly dramatic.  But look at thier remaining schedule and then look at ours...

Both our next 2 games are MUST WIN.  For a lot of reasons...
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We didn't play like a playoff team. We wouldn't have beaten any team in the league looking like the way we did yesterday. The team should have a chip on its shoulder this week, time to get back to us and finish the job.
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(11-13-2023, 05:15 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:
(11-13-2023, 03:57 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Plot twist: Jags maul the Niners to win the Superb Owl.

Would be an awesome story to be destroyed by them and then get revenge in the Bowl.

I would love to see Shanahan lose another Super Bowl to any AFC team. He seems kind of smug.
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(11-13-2023, 07:41 PM)JaguarJosh2 Wrote: We didn't play like a playoff team.  We wouldn't have beaten any team in the league looking like the way we did yesterday.  The team should have a chip on its shoulder this week,  time to get back to us and finish the job.

So, in summary the full diagnosis:
  • O-line is terrible. Baalke's fault. 4/5 positions could play better, but Fortner is probably the worst Center in the league. I'd put Cleveland at LG, Little at RT until Harrison's shoulder is healed, and Shatley at Center. Fortner needs to hang out on the practice squad and in the weight room with Bartch. 
  • Play calling is terrible. Press's fault, and Doug's fault for pressing the promotion button on someone who's not ready. If Doug doesn't want to call plays, he should give Mike McCoy a chance. 
  • Bigsby and Strange aren't contributing. Baalke's fault for over-drafting them. 
  • Trevor is making dumb mistakes. Trevor's fault, but any QB (even Mahomes) would be playing rushed behind this line and bad play calling. Baalke's fault, Press's fault, Doug's fault

Good news: Jags are 6-3 and well positioned for a playoff run even with a struggling offense. Glass is still half full.
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(11-13-2023, 05:55 PM)snowwolf776 Wrote: 6-3 might be a winning record. probom now is jags have to win next 2 games to make the playoffs.  if they lose one of them we could b this years team that tottatly collpeses like tittians did last year.  they were 7-3,and then they went on a 7 game loseing streak to end up  7-10.  Jags have to win the next to games,espaissley being divsion games.  we have to win next 2 games somehow.

I wonder....do we need to win the next two games?

(11-13-2023, 05:56 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(11-13-2023, 05:55 PM)snowwolf776 Wrote: 6-3 might be a winning record. probom now is jags have to win next 2 games to make the playoffs.  if they lose one of them we could b this years team that tottatly collpeses like tittians did last year.  they were 7-3,and then they went on a 7 game loseing streak to end up  7-10.  Jags have to win the next to games,espaissley being divsion games.  we have to win next 2 games somehow.

So we go 1-1 the next two means we're going to lose for two straight MONTHS? Really?

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