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Quote: Agreed, 

 

 There's absolutely nothing positive about this.  Many words come to mind.  One of them isn't the word courageous.  

 

He's confused.

Quote:It being plastered all over ESPN's tv channel and homepage, not to mention it being on every major news network and on the social media.

 

It's not like I can just turn off the tv and live in my car.

That would be the "hearing about it" part of my post.

Quote:He's confused.

Doesn't sound like he's confused anymore...sounds like he finally figured it out.

40% of the homeless youth are LGBT.  You can say "Oh, there's all these starving kids in Africa", but once you do you're ignoring every problem we have in the world for a single focus (which you're also, coincidentally, not solving)  There's many problems in the world, and we can focus on more than one at a time.  


You don't have to agree with what Caitlyn Jenner did.  The real sad thing isn't that she's getting the award.  The real sad thing is that it took someone who's already famous to bring an important issue to the front.  If she were going around sleeping with kids, we would (quite rightfully) vilify her.  But what she's doing... how does it hurt you?  The treatment of LGB people has improved over the years, though we haven't seen much movement on the T front.  Again, you don't have to agree with her decision.  You DO have to treat her and other Trans like people.  


Like I said, 40% of homeless youth are LGBT.  That is staggering.  It shows that parents aren't accepting of their children, and that we have a long ways to go toward reducing familial rejection. I could never kick any of my children out, no matter what they came to tell me.  If it was something that harmed other people, I'd do my best to get them help so that they would not hurt anyone.  If it was something that didn't hurt anyone, I would do my best to be understanding.

Quote:Doesn't sound like he's confused anymore...sounds like he finally figured it out.

 

It's sad that people feel that way just because they don't understand their point of view.  I don't understand everything everyone does, but is he really hurting anyone by what he is doing? 

Quote:Doesn't sound like he's confused anymore...sounds like he finally figured it out.

 

He will be confused the next time he fills out a application and checks female, but will list his previous alias Bruce.

Quote:He will be confused the next time he fills out a application and checks female, but will list his previous alias Bruce.

 

Caitlyn won't be confused, the confused parties will be those thinking Caitlyn will be confused, plus those still referring to her with masculine pronouns.

Quote:Caitlyn won't be confused, the confused parties will be those thinking Caitlyn will be confused, plus those still referring to her with masculine pronouns.

 

So he was born Caitlyn Jenner at birth correct?

Quote:Caitlyn won't be confused, the confused parties will be those thinking Caitlyn will be confused, plus those still referring to her with masculine pronouns.

 

And technically Caitlyn can be referred to as shim, since shim has 2 identities now. 

Quote:So he was born Caitlyn Jenner at birth correct?

 

No. Bob Dylan was born Robert Zimmerman. What's your point?

Quote:And technically Caitlyn can be referred to as shim, since shim has 2 identities now. 

 

No, she doesn't.

 

Gender identity has nothing to do with genitalia.

Quote:No. Bob Dylan was born Robert Zimmerman. What's your point?

 

I said nothing about Bob Dylan, but im going to assume you know the answer so nice way of avoiding it.

 

My point is shim will live with 2 identities for the rest of shim's life, one at birth and one now.

Quote:No, she doesn't.

 

Gender identity has nothing to do with genitalia.

 

Who was shim born as?

Quote:I said nothing about Bob Dylan, but im going to assume you know the answer so nice way of avoiding it.

 

My point is shim will live with 2 identities for the rest of shim's life, one at birth and one now.

 

I'm not avoiding anything. A name given at birth has nothing to do with an adult's identity. I apologize for not explaining myself, I thought my point was obvious.

 

Caitlyn has one identity. The only people who are confused are those that cannot reconcile reality with what they have believed most of their life.

Quote:I'm not avoiding anything. A name given at birth has nothing to do with an adult's identity. I apologize for not explaining myself, I thought my point was obvious.

 

Caitlyn has one identity. The only people who are confused are those that cannot reconcile reality with what they have believed most of their life.

 

 

So what's the point at assigning a name and gender at birth when there is a possibility someone may want to go for gender reassignment surgery later on?

Quote:So what's the point at assigning a name and gender at birth when there is a possibility someone may want to go for gender reassignment surgery later on?

 

Good question. What is the point? Other than demographics and possibly a guide for baby shower presents, there really is no difference.

 

As I pointed out earlier, gender identity has nothing to do with genitalia. Many transgendered individuals never have the surgery.

I try to be open minded because it is hard to know how I would feel unless I was in the same position. What bugs me is how the entire "event" has been carefully orchestrated in order to gain maximum publicity and financial gain. I would feel bad for the family, but they are all millionaires from doing the exact same thing.

Quote:It's sad that people feel that way just because they don't understand their point of view.  I don't understand everything everyone does, but is he really hurting anyone by what he is doing? 

 

 Regarding the question you asked,   here's my reply:

 

 If a person believes that what Bruce Jenner did is wrong  ( which is what I believe is the case ),   my take is that Jenner's celebrity status will lead some others down a similar path.   Hence,  Jenner is hurting others.   I wouldn't condone what Jenner did even if he was unknown to practically everyone.   But his celebrity status far increases the potential damage under the perspective that what he did is wrong.

 

 If a person believes what Bruce Jenner did isn't wrong,   then from their perspective he wouldn't be hurting anyone.  

Quote:Must resist urge to respond...

 

Give in to temptation...you know you want to!

Quote:Give in to temptation...you know you want to!

I have been banned a month before for not resisting the urge. A month was a long time.