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Quote:Would there be crack smoking areas at the Jaguar games...I don't see why not, if it's legal, like booze and cigarettes.

Second hand smoke still applies. Also, the stadium is private property. They can dictate whatever rules they want.

Would legalizing these hardcore drugs be legal for everybody?  Cops, Firefighters, Doctors, Nurses, Military, Professional Football Players?  I'm just curious.

Quote:I know where to go to buy my beer.  I don't have a clue where to begin looking for weed, X, crack, opium, heroin...not a clue.

Meet me by the dumpster. You wearing a wire?

Quote:Would legalizing these hardcore drugs be legal for everybody?  Cops, Firefighters, Doctors, Nurses, Military, Professional Football Players?  I'm just curious.

Even in states where pot is legal, employers can still test their employees for marijuana and can them for it. Broncos players can still get suspended for peeing hot for THC.

I just don't think this is a very good idea.  You know, sometimes things just don't quite seem right...this is one of those times.

Quote:It almost sounds as if you are saying addiction will remain flat and the government can save money by not prosecuting and housing for drug offenses. Is this correct? Addiction is a developed disease and escalates over time. Why would you want to add to one of the major risk factors (availability) and think addiction would remain flat and not increase? Not only can the increased availability increase addiction, the fact that it becomes more plentiful can increase overdoses. Believe it or not, there is a monetary value attached to these, such as healthcare.  While you state addiction hasn't increased, that also requires reporting through a physician. I'm pretty sure that is not fact either. Doesn't seem logical if prescription and non-prescription overdoses and death have skyrocketed.

 

https://www.bjs.gov/content/dcf/duc.cfm

 

https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-topics...statistics

 

What I'm saying is that even with an increased focus on lowering availability, addiction rates have remained flat. Yes, numbers are bound to be off because of a lack of reporting, but wouldn't addicts be more likely to seek help with legalization? Wouldn't that be a good thing?

 

I understand that there's a monetary value on addicts. I'm not advocating for taking away the rehabilitation portion of the current "drug war" budget. I'm saying that the enforcement portion can be taken away and a portion of the tax revenue can also go to rehabilitation. Not only that, but with regulation batch strengths remain more constant and that's where the majority of overdoses originate.

 

At the core of this argument, I believe people have the right to make decisions about their bodies. You want to abuse drugs and develop a dependency? You pre paid for your rehab with each purchase.

Quote:Would legalizing these hardcore drugs be legal for everybody?  Cops, Firefighters, Doctors, Nurses, Military, Professional Football Players?  I'm just curious.

 

IMO:

In their personal time? Absolutely.

 

On the clock? That's absolutely an employer's right to dictate.

There was a commercial back in the 80s or 90s...I forget, but it said "this is your brain" and it showed an egg.  "This is your brain on drugs" and it showed a fried egg.

 

Lay off the drugs dude...they're not good for you.

Quote:I just don't think this is a very good idea.  You know, sometimes things just don't quite seem right...this is one of those times.

 

I completely understand the hesitation, and this is exactly the discussion I was hoping to get out of this thread. It honestly surprises me a bit at how many people seem to agree, at least in part. 

 

For me, it all boils down to personal liberty and the freedom to do what you want with your own body, as long as it doesn't take away another person's rights.

This is your brain:

 



 

This is your brain on liberalism:

 

Quote:There was a commercial back in the 80s or 90s...I forget, but it said "this is your brain" and it showed an egg.  "This is your brain on drugs" and it showed a fried egg.

 

Lay off the drugs dude...they're not good for you.

 

But if I want to turn my brain into a fried egg, why should the government be able to tell me no?

 

Full disclosure: I smoke marijuana regularly and will occasionally use cocaine. I am not an addict and I am a functioning member of society. Ask anyone who knows me and they'd more than likely not even know I've ever tried any drugs at all (to include MJ).

Quote:Well, I obviously disagree with most of you...I'll just leave it at that. Unless you strike a nerve with me on something else ridiculous.

Well, to be fair you can get blackout drunk with your kids present. Burn through as many packs a day as you wish. We also are in the midst of a prescription drug opiate epidemic.


It wasn't so long ago that heroin and cocaine were prescription drugs themselves.

Weed = Legal - no one dies from weed.

 

Hardcore drugs = absolutely not. 

 

I agree with Bch, stick it somewhere accessible and you've created a huge problem. It also makes horrible drugs like heroin, meth or crack seem less dangerous and they're HORRIBLY dangerous and deadly. 

Philippine Islands is using a unique method. I guess when you kill them all they won't want to deal or use.

Quote:Would legalizing these hardcore drugs be legal for everybody?  Cops, Firefighters, Doctors, Nurses, Military, Professional Football Players?  I'm just curious.

I have a firefighter buddy here. It's an extremely gray area as far as marijuana goes.

Quote:Weed = Legal - no one dies from weed.

 

Hardcore drugs = absolutely not. 

 

I agree with Bch, stick it somewhere accessible and you've created a huge problem. It also makes horrible drugs like heroin, meth or crack seem less dangerous and they're HORRIBLY dangerous and deadly. 

 

Though shouldn't it be each person's decision on what to do with their own body?

Quote:I know where to go to buy my beer.  I don't have a clue where to begin looking for weed, X, crack, opium, heroin...not a clue.

No clue eh?

 

You must live in Utopia lol

 

Every city or town has "that area"

 

but OK. If it were all of a sudden legalized, would you know where to get it  then?

Or better yet... if you saw crack at the 7/11 would you all of a sudden want to do it? lol

Quote:Would legalizing these hardcore drugs be legal for everybody?  Cops, Firefighters, Doctors, Nurses, Military, Professional Football Players?  I'm just curious.

Employer discretion.

 

Can you show up to work drunk?

 

Can cops? Teachers? Nurses?

 

One drug is the same as them all.

 

It's just that society has programmed most people to think that this one is worse than that one.

 

Anything in excess is bad. TV. [BAD WORD REMOVED]. Beer. Weed.

But it is my right just by being to be a gluttonous fool if I want.

 

 

Now... if I get drunk or high and rob a place... it doesn't matter if the stuff is legal or not... robbing people is wrong.

 

If a guy can run a city like Toronto while being a crack head...

I'm just sayin... don't demonize the drugs.

Plenty of people live their lives fine while using plenty of stuff from weed to booze, to acid, to pills...

lots of people get messed up on it too.

 

You should never regulate people's personal lives.

Marriage, personal healthcare, sodas, kids...

but if a person abuses the right to live freely there are always consequences.

 

edit...pornagraphy is a bad word?... nope just the abbreviation lol

I'm for the legalization of drugs--with regulation.  No sales to minors.  Only licensed stores. 

Quote:What I'm saying is that even with an increased focus on lowering availability, addiction rates have remained flat. Yes, numbers are bound to be off because of a lack of reporting, but wouldn't addicts be more likely to seek help with legalization? Wouldn't that be a good thing?

 

I understand that there's a monetary value on addicts. I'm not advocating for taking away the rehabilitation portion of the current "drug war" budget. I'm saying that the enforcement portion can be taken away and a portion of the tax revenue can also go to rehabilitation. Not only that, but with regulation batch strengths remain more constant and that's where the majority of overdoses originate.

 

At the core of this argument, I believe people have the right to make decisions about their bodies. You want to abuse drugs and develop a dependency? You pre paid for your rehab with each purchase.

Why would addicts be more inclined to seek help if legalized? If you are having to plan way ahead for the increase of rehab numbers, that should tell you it is a poor choice.

 

I understand where you are coming from on freedom of choice, but that choice goes beyond having an impact on that one person. The potential for societal issues and increased health issues cannot be balanced by a tax or mass release of drug offense prisoners.  Go to the nearest drug community and that is what you will see 1000 fold. Police will start to avoid it, businesses will leave, people stop working, poverty sets in, etc. The hard stuff is not an apples to apples comparison with alcohol or recreational marijuana. There is no benefit to making all drugs legal.

 

Maybe you are thinking more in line with decriminalization, not legalization?