Quote:The problem is the government say that drugs are illegal for the safety of the inhabitants yet the most dangerous substances of all are legal and cause many more deaths than the illegal ones.
I don't see why any government should be able to tell me what I can or can't put into my own body.
I can't argue against that. I love my country but I despise my Government for it's hypocrisy all across the board of the many aspects of society. I think most people around the world feel the same way about their own Governments. Like I said though. It's not an easy discussion to have. It truly is a hard debate.
But there's consequences for our actions no matter who or what is telling us what we can or cannot do with our lives and bodies. There has to be a tremendous amount of accountability put on the powers that be and among ourselves. Right now though the way the table has been set we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. If you can't get it off the street and get addicted you can get it over the counter and get it addicted.
Meanwhile. Holistic and herb based teachings, writings and healing are shunned by the mainstream medical scene and our Government does anything and everything in it's power to ban it's practices or accept it is an optional cure or remedy for many of our addictions and illnesses.
Money. It makes the world do crazy things.
Anecdotally speaking I think alcohol is the most dangerous drug in the world. I love it and all but there's so many times where itself led to hilariously awful decisions and events. Least with other drugs like MDMA or acid the worst thing that will happen is you'll chew your mouth too hard or trip a bit too hard.
Quote:I have two questions for you concerning this post.
1. Have you ever tried crack?
2. If not would you if it were legal?
Nothing sinister about my query, I just looking for perspective.
Bingo.
I've never tried heroin.
If it were for sale at Wal Mart...
or even legal and I could get it from my local dealer...
I still wouldn't do it.
I get the argument of "if we legalize it all the dirty dopers will take over"
But it just isn't true...
Quote:The problem is the government say that drugs are illegal for the safety of the inhabitants yet the most dangerous substances of all are legal and cause many more deaths than the illegal ones.
I don't see why any government should be able to tell me what I can or can't put into my own body.
would you want a school teacher of your child to go bat [BLEEP] crazy because he used LSD before he came to work? How about some dude all geeked out on crack being your server in a restaurant? How about a social services counselor making statements to 3rd grade children how great these legal drugs are...My point is even if it were legal to use drugs in a person's off time, there are lingering effects afterwards, not to mention there will always be some people coming to work under the influence of drugs...How about the crazy rednecks who have lots of guns getting all kinds of messed up on drugs plus alcohol with a ton of guns at their finger tips....What happens if the POTUS uses cocaine and the enemy does something he doesn't like while he's all jacked up with nukes and the entire military at his command?
There are reasons drugs are not legal, most are safety and security reasons
Quote:would you want a school teacher of your child to go bat [BAD WORD REMOVED] crazy because he used LSD before he came to work? How about some dude all geeked out on crack being your server in a restaurant? How about a social services counselor making statements to 3rd grade children how great these legal drugs are...My point is even if it were legal to use drugs in a person's off time, there are lingering effects afterwards, not to mention there will always be some people coming to work under the influence of drugs...How about the crazy rednecks who have lots of guns getting all kinds of messed up on drugs plus alcohol with a ton of guns at their finger tips....What happens if the POTUS uses cocaine and the enemy does something he doesn't like while he's all jacked up with nukes and the entire military at his command?
There are reasons drugs are not legal, most are safety and security reasons
Drugs being legal doesn't mean it would be legal to use them in work or use them driving a car. Same way it is right now with alcohol and weed.
Quote:would you want a school teacher of your child to go bat [BAD WORD REMOVED] crazy because he used LSD before he came to work? How about some dude all geeked out on crack being your server in a restaurant? How about a social services counselor making statements to 3rd grade children how great these legal drugs are...My point is even if it were legal to use drugs in a person's off time, there are lingering effects afterwards, not to mention there will always be some people coming to work under the influence of drugs...How about the crazy rednecks who have lots of guns getting all kinds of messed up on drugs plus alcohol with a ton of guns at their finger tips....What happens if the POTUS uses cocaine and the enemy does something he doesn't like while he's all jacked up with nukes and the entire military at his command?
There are reasons drugs are not legal, most are safety and security reasons
Drug laws exist for one reason: It's easier to control a population when you criminalize normal behavior.
Quote:Drugs being legal doesn't mean it would be legal to use them in work or use them driving a car. Same way it is right now with alcohol and weed.
But there will always be people who will go to work under the influence just as there is people going to work still drunk from the night before and there are people who drink at lunch too...it would be the same for legal drugs...maybe not a lot but there are always some crazy [BLEEP] people who would and then what? Your childs teacher is all jacked up on something....
Quote:Drug laws exist for one reason: It's easier to control a population when you criminalize normal behavior.
what is normal? who decides what normal is? normal to one person is not necessarily normal to others...
Quote:what is normal? who decides what normal is? normal to one person is not necessarily normal to others...
Normal is what the government regulates it as.
Quote:But there will always be people who will go to work under the influence just as there is people going to work still drunk from the night before and there are people who drink at lunch too...the same would be for legal drugs
People go to work and drive on drugs whether they are legal or not.
Quote:People go to work and drive on drugs whether they are legal or not.
yes...now if they are made legal, would there be more doing it? probably but there is really no way to tell without trying it...would you gamble that no teachers of your childs wouldnt ever get jacked up and freak out because he they were still messed up from the night before or hit the dope at lunch?
Quote:yes...now if they are made legal, would there be more doing it? probably but there is really no way to tell without trying it...would you gamble that no teachers of your childs wouldnt ever get jacked up and freak out because he they were still messed up from the night before or hit the dope at lunch?
They'll either be a good teacher or a bad teacher. I don't really care what they do as long as they are good.
Quote:They'll either be a good teacher or a bad teacher. I don't really care what they do as long as they are good.
suppose your childs 3rd grade teacher was jacked up on drugs and went bat [BLEEP] crazy during class, would you care then?
Quote:suppose your childs 3rd grade teacher was jacked up on drugs and went bat [BAD WORD REMOVED] crazy during class, would you care then?
That would be an example of a bad teacher so yes I would care.
Quote:would you want a school teacher of your child to go bat [BAD WORD REMOVED] crazy because he used LSD before he came to work? How about some dude all geeked out on crack being your server in a restaurant? How about a social services counselor making statements to 3rd grade children how great these legal drugs are...My point is even if it were legal to use drugs in a person's off time, there are lingering effects afterwards, not to mention there will always be some people coming to work under the influence of drugs...How about the crazy rednecks who have lots of guns getting all kinds of messed up on drugs plus alcohol with a ton of guns at their finger tips....What happens if the POTUS uses cocaine and the enemy does something he doesn't like while he's all jacked up with nukes and the entire military at his command?
There are reasons drugs are not legal, most are safety and security reasons
What's to stop any of that from happening now? A school teacher, server, social services councilor, etc can all choose to partake (and some already do) in illicit drugs now whether or not it's illegal.
Quote:What's to stop any of that from happening now? A school teacher, server, social services councilor, etc can all choose to partake (and some already do) in illicit drugs now whether or not it's illegal.
Look, we just can't have people deciding those things for themselves, they might do something we think they shouldn't.
Quote:what is normal? who decides what normal is? normal to one person is not necessarily normal to others...
Exactly, that's why differences of opinion over behavior should not be criminalized. I thought we were passed this notion once homosexuality went mainstream, but I guess not. Doing the drugs should be a personal choice, actions taken when under the influence or sober should be personal responsibility.
@OP I think it is very difficult for the government to regulate personal behavior. Unless you go hardcore like Singapore and start executing drug dealers, this sort of behavior is a constant. Not using drugs is a choice that starts at home, not on Capitol Hill.
I could potentially support legalization under some conditions. The Libertarian streak in me says, "yeah, it's your body, do what you want with it" but that's not the system we have set up right now. If someone goes and does a ton of drugs, fails at life, and messes up their health---that burden falls directly onto everyone else who did not do the drugs. When the druggie shows up to the hospital with no insurance and no money and they get treatment, that is paid for by higher rates on everyone else, ect. If Drugs were to be legalized, those that partake must own the consequences of their decisions. Legalized or not, I don't think as many people would be on drugs if they had to own that life choice. Right now you can mess up your life on drugs and get Uncle Sam to pay for your food, welfare, medical costs, Obamaphone, and have a few children and get more money--by doing this we are subsidizing poor choices and that changes the incentive structure for many people.
If you want to live in a truly free society, you can't embrace the freedom to do drugs and expect other people to pay for your choices with the fruits of their labor.
Legalising drugs doesn't mean it has to be a free for all.
There will be a lot of teething problems of course but if you take the model for how alcohol is sold and regulated I think you can see that it isn't that bad.
Let's take MDMA for example and apply it to the way alcohol is sold i.e ensure the products sold are high quality, that its very difficult for children to buy, that overuse in a public place is illegal, use driving is banned. It can be bought in used in certain places as long as they have a license etc etc.
The result would be an extremely safe product being sold. You ensure the product is high quality and not filled with bad stuff like the dealers put into it which is what actually kills people. Also keeps people out of jail who did nothing wrong other than want to have a good time.