Quote:Republicans are just as ready to hand out the perks. Just watch how they've backed down from the whole ACA repeal, they have no interest in ending subsidies for healthcare companies and state mandated purchasing of private insurance policies.
We're probably do for a republican shift to the bush style "compassionate conservative"
I think you'll never see a conservative or libertarian sniff the office again we're now the minority by a long shot.
I dont think it's true they won't sniff it but I think you are right the general perception is they are the minority. They have gone so far right in pandering to their base that they won't win over moderates or centrists.
Quote:Not even close. Palin is damaged irreparably from the 2008 campaign. She wouldn't win a single primary.
She did that damage herself. Whether the party brass pushed her to be the mamma bear yokel character or that's who she really is, that falls dead to anyone but already right wing leaning people.
Quote:Not even close. Palin is damaged irreparably from the 2008 campaign. She wouldn't win a single primary.
as a front runner against anyone but Hillary I would agree...Against Hillary, Palin would prevail
Calling someone cankles, and then whining that anyone that attacks Hillary will be labeled sexist is hilarious because of its obvious stupidity.
Honestly, could care less who the next prez is going to be. I'm so ruined by Obama I just don't care anymore.
Quote:I dont think it's true they won't sniff it but I think you are right the general perception is they are the minority. They have gone so far right in pandering to their base that they won't win over moderates or centrists.
The problem for Libertarians is going to be appealing to libertarians, while also appealing to a major block of Republican voters--The religious right. The two are sort of at odds with one another.
Quote:as a front runner against anyone but Hillary I would agree...Against Hillary, Palin would prevail
Palin wouldn't appeal to any moderates. Not sure how she's supposed to win against HIllary. If she somehow
did win the election, I'd be joining the mass exodus leaving this country.
Quote:Most progressives/dems don't like her. Word is the party is desperate for someone else and I agree. I don't like many things about her
There is NOTHING to like about her. At all.
And Sarah Palin either. Don't like either one of them anywhere near the White House. Sadly I feel this way about most politicians.
Quote:There is NOTHING to like about her. At all.
And Sarah Palin either. Don't like either one of them anywhere near the White House. Sadly I feel this way about most politicians.
If you are a corporatist or a war hawk you should like her.
I hope we all learned a valuable lesson in this debacle of a presidency. Let's not vote because of the color of his or her skin, rather the character he or she has..
Quote:I hope we all learned a valuable lesson in this debacle of a presidency. Let's not vote because of the color of his or her skin, rather the character he or she has..
Call me crazy, but I think most people voted based on policies. You might have a few people who voted for Obama because he was black, and a few people who voted for Romney/McCain because they weren't. But I think they're mostly a very vocal minority.
Quote:Call me crazy, but I think most people voted based on policies. You might have a few people who voted for Obama because he was black, and a few people who voted for Romney/McCain because they weren't. But I think they're mostly a very vocal minority.
While all people should vote, it's very hard to imagine that the majority were more worried about his policies than his skin color..
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What specific policies has Obama implemented that have ruined this country?
You know, things aren't as apocalyptic as some make it out to be... makes one wonder why the huge freak out over the guy...
Quote:Call me crazy, but I think most people voted based on policies. You might have a few people who voted for Obama because he was black, and a few people who voted for Romney/McCain because they weren't. But I think they're mostly a very vocal minority.
Agreed lots of people voted for the things he stood for. Probably why people that voted for those things are so disappointed in him.
Quote:Call me crazy, but I think most people voted based on policies. You might have a few people who voted for Obama because he was black, and a few people who voted for Romney/McCain because they weren't. But I think they're mostly a very vocal minority.
I personally think the majority of people just vote down party lines, with little regards to policy, if they truly cared about policy they wouldn't fall for the rhetoric.
Quote:I personally think the majority of people just vote down party lines, with little regards to policy, if they truly cared about policy they wouldn't fall for the rhetoric.
People do mostly vote along party lines, though I think people determine which party they follow mostly by policy and platform.
Quote:As much as I respect Sarah Palin as a person and leader, I think it's best that he doesn't run for President. Palin can be more effective advocating for Conservatism than being on a Presidential ticket again.
But Palin is completely ineffective advocating for conservatism. She makes conservatives look bad. She's not going to win anyone over to the conservative cause. She's an object of ridicule, even among conservatives.
If you're a conservative, why in the world would you want Sara Palin out there advocating for you? That's just nuts.
Quote:But Palin is completely ineffective advocating for conservatism. She makes conservatives look bad. She's not going to win anyone over to the conservative cause. She's an object of ridicule, even among conservatives.
If you're a conservative, why in the world would you want Sara Palin out there advocating for you? That's just nuts.
At the risk of making this thread go way off topic, I must respond to this.
The reason(s) that Sarah Palin is disliked and/or "the object of ridicule" has nothing to do with her policies. It's all about her personality, looks and the way that she is/was perceived by most Americans. She was ridiculed, slammed and mocked repeatedly by not only the media, but also on shows where many liberals get their "news" (ie. Saturday Night Live, The Daily Show, etc.). How exactly does she "make conservatives look bad"?
I happen to agree with most of her values as well as most of her ideas regarding economics. Where I believe that she would struggle would be in the area of Foreign Policy. She was successful in an Executive Branch position, that being Governor of the State of Alaska.
Contrast that with the career of Hillary. She was elected to a Senate position on name recognition alone in a liberal state. While there she accomplished... well then she was appointed as Secretary of State and while there she accomplished... well there was the Bengazi thing, and the email server thing...
The bottom line is, I wouldn't vote for either woman for the White House, but in my mind, Sarah Palin is more qualified for the position.
Quote:At the risk of making this thread go way off topic, I must respond to this.
The reason(s) that Sarah Palin is disliked and/or "the object of ridicule" has nothing to do with her policies. It's all about her personality, looks and the way that she is/was perceived by most Americans. She was ridiculed, slammed and mocked repeatedly by not only the media, but also on shows where many liberals get their "news" (ie. Saturday Night Live, The Daily Show, etc.). How exactly does she "make conservatives look bad"?
I happen to agree with most of her values as well as most of her ideas regarding economics. Where I believe that she would struggle would be in the area of Foreign Policy. She was successful in an Executive Branch position, that being Governor of the State of Alaska.
Contrast that with the career of Hillary. She was elected to a Senate position on name recognition alone in a liberal state. While there she accomplished... well then she was appointed as Secretary of State and while there she accomplished... well there was the Bengazi thing, and the email server thing...
The bottom line is, I wouldn't vote for either woman for the White House, but in my mind, Sarah Palin is more qualified for the position.
And don't forget that Hillary was a "parachute candidate" in New York...
If you were to get a narcissist, a sociopath, a borderline, and then rap them all up in one mind and body, you get Hillary.
Quote:Call me crazy, but I think most people voted based on policies. You might have a few people who voted for Obama because he was black, and a few people who voted for Romney/McCain because they weren't. But I think they're mostly a very vocal minority.
Yeah, you must not have been in the ghetto in 2008. I was and the majority who voted for Obama did so because he was black. Many of them had never voted before.
Quote:Yeah, you must not have been in the ghetto in 2008. I was and the majority who voted for Obama did so because he was black. Many of them had never voted before.
Even the white, Hispanic, Asian, etc. people in the ghetto?