Quote:If we have a top 10 oline why would we need a top 5 pick RB on top of that? Ivory and Yeldon, or a later draftee, would be just fine if we greatly improve the oline.
I used to feel this way, but Ivory just fumbles too much and Yeldon is not a 3 down back, although he'd be great as a 3rd down back replacing Fournette or Cook on occasion.
I like Cook more than Fournette as of today. I think Fournette should have gutted it out one more year for the Tigers after being banged up and worn down last year. They're about the same player production wise. Cook edges him out a lot more though in the receiving game. And I think career wise he was more consistent than Fournette.
Cook was contained in maybe two games last year. One of which was in a first half blowout to Louisville which put FSU in automatic passing mode. Fournette, on the other hand. He started the year off really strong and then faded out against Alabama and Florida. Was a none factor at all. Saw the same thing against Alabama in 2015 and Arkansas to an extent. I just don't think I trust Fournette more than Cook.
Cook offers more as a running back. So, we'll see. I am not against this team taking either one of them. I think both of them will be solid players at the next level. I just think track record wise when the competition was stiff on defense and when it comes to health concerns. Cook has Fournette beat by a country mile.
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A country mile is a bit extreme considering Cook had shoulder surgery.
It's scary to think, but Fournette could go in the top ten to the titans and rush for 2k behind their line.
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A country mile is a bit extreme considering Cook had shoulder surgery.
Cook didn't miss games though because of that surgery. As far as the country mile statement it's just the fact that I rarely saw Cook phased out of a game over the last two years. Fournette I've seen get phased out by Arkansas, Florida and Alabama more than once. Cook ran all over Florida the last two years.
Quote:It's scary to think, but Fournette could go in the top ten to the titans and rush for 2k behind their line.
That'd be devastating. A three headed monster between Murray, Henry & Fournette?
Bama games are overblown. They have had entire front sevens going into the nfl coached by one of the best ever and they were all keyed in on Leonard, of course he was gonna get shut down.
Quote:Bama games are overblown. They have had entire front sevens going into the nfl coached by one of the best ever and they were all keyed in on Leonard, of course he was gonna get shut down.
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I call [BAD WORD REMOVED] on Alabama's rushing defense. It's not always perfect nor impregnable. If Fournette's a great running back and he's being touted as a top ten back he should have managed at least one solid game during his career at LSU against them. OSU owned Alabama on the ground in 2015 and so did Georgia along with Tennessee.
Quote:Bama games are overblown. They have had entire front sevens going into the nfl coached by one of the best ever and they were all keyed in on Leonard, of course he was gonna get shut down.
It's not about him getting shut-down.
It's about him being easily tripped up if he doesn't get two or three steps of momentum first. He's got very little lateral agility and doesn't improvise his way out of those situations like other backs often do.
He's going to go against better lines than Alabama's every week of the 2017season.
Quote:I used to feel this way, but Ivory just fumbles too much and Yeldon is not a 3 down back, although he'd be great as a 3rd down back replacing Fournette or Cook on occasion.
You're not going to like what you see if you look up Fournette or Cook's fumble rates. Both are below average to way below average in Cooks case especially.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/...-fumblers/
As I've said, Fournette needs a runway. That's why LSU ran such a crazy high number of tosses. He needs that space to build momentum.
When taking a traditional under center or shotgun handoff between the tackles or off tackle his expected yards per carry were almost exactly NCAA average.
Quote:I call [BAD WORD REMOVED] on Alabama's rushing defense. It's not always perfect nor impregnable. If Fournette's a great running back and he's being touted as a top ten back he should have managed at least one solid game during his career at LSU against them. OSU owned Alabama on the ground in 2015 and so did Georgia along with Tennessee.
Eh, Georgia didn't run all over Bama's D, Chubb got 80+ on one play in the third well after the game was already a massive blowout.
And really, what was key in the OSU game was Cardale's ability and willingness to run which has been shown to burn a Saban defense more than once(USC 2010, Newton, Manziel, Marshall, Knight, Jones, Kelly, and Watson).
Quote:As I've said, Fournette needs a runway. That's why LSU ran such a crazy high number of tosses. He needs that space to build momentum.
When taking a traditional under center or shotgun handoff between the tackles or off tackle his expected yards per carry were almost exactly NCAA average.
Then don't run those plays? The only problem with what you are saying is you have to call the right plays for him to succeed. Adrian Peterson can't run out of Shotgun formations either, yet he has had a successful NFL career. Yes Fournette needs a runway, but I'm okay with it because the runway leads to then endzone.
Lol at everybody using Alabama to discredit Fournette. There are 11 players on offense, when the other team is superior at in just about every position you expect the th to still have a good game? Because he is supposed to grest? What kind of elementary logic is that???? If you actually watch the game tape you will see Fournette breaking tackles and making people miss and still
getting stuffed.
If we get Warmack/Zeitler in FA and draft Fournette, that will be a lot of a help on the offense. behind a decent o-line fournette is a homerun threat everytime he walks on the field. The less BB has to throw the ball, the better.
Quote:If we get Warmack/Zeitler in FA and draft Fournette, that will be a lot of a help on the offense. behind a decent o-line fournette is a homerun threat everytime he walks on the field. The less BB has to throw the ball, the better.
Also, if we make our running attack more of a threat, that makes play action a lot more credible, and that will greatly lessen the pass rush.
Quote:Lol at everybody using Alabama to discredit Fournette. There are 11 players on offense, when the other team is superior at in just about every position you expect the th to still have a good game? Because he is supposed to grest? What kind of elementary logic is that???? If you actually watch the game tape you will see Fournette breaking tackles and making people miss and still
getting stuffed.
It's not just the Alabama game. It's an issue with his game - albeit a fairly minor one.
I can't speak for the points anyone else is trying to make -- but my only point is that "he struggles when met in the backfield by a defender" and that's going to happen in the NFL more than it did at LSU unless he's behind one of the better NFL offensive lines.
Behind the Jags'
current O-Line I believe he'd basically be a younger, healthier Ivory with better top-end speed. Which is still pretty damn good. He'd still hit some home-runs and he'd make a positive impact for the offense, but we'd see him tripped up by plenty of shoelace tackles near the L.O.S. and that would disappoint some folks that don't recognize this minor flaw in his game.
I don't think it's that big of a deal. He's a top ten prospect regardless of this little knock on him. But the fact remains, he runs pretty upright out of the gate and it allows him to be tripped up easily if he hasn't built momentum yet. So, he's not a "perfect" prospect, but he's pretty close to it. Smart NFL coaches will work with him on getting lower at the line. It's not like he can't get better.
It's a trade-off. Do you want a guy with better ability to improvise away from early contact? Are you willing to turn down Fournette's top-gear speed and remarkable power downfield to take a guy with more initial wiggle?
People will naturally fall on different sides of the fence on this one.
I think the best way to look at is Fournette = Adrian Peterson and Cook= Jamaal Charles.
Which fits how you play better? Do you want the physical freak who is terrifying once he gets going but doesn't offer much in the passing game or running out of shotgun or do you want the elusive game breaking runner who is great in the passing game but fumbles a lot and is fragile.
Quote:I think the best way to look at is Fournette = Adrian Peterson and Cook= Jamaal Charles.
Which fits how you play better? Do you want the physical freak who is terrifying once he gets going but doesn't offer much in the passing game or running out of shotgun or do you want the elusive game breaking runner who is great in the passing game but fumbles a lot and is fragile.
-well
-if we stick with blake and the coaches play off his strengths
-then fournette does not fit our system
-blake is a shotgun qb