Quote:People obviously forget what MVP stands for. If you were drafting 1st overall with an empty team and could choose any player to start your team, who would it be? If you choose Watt you should be fired immediately as a GM. He would be the first defensive player taken and therefore defensive MVP.
thats the point i was going to make
aaron rodgers is the most valuable player in the nfl
i also hate the love ins certain players get
i switched off the draft coverage because i was fed up of listening to a rehash of johnny manziels fall even on the 3rd day. So glad he's playing shite
Quote:I hate the Texans but there's no doubt in my mind he's the best player in the league. Most valuable? I would have to say no simply because defensive players traditionally don't score points, which is the way to win. But outside of that, he's MVP for sure.
If this is the case you may as well give it to a quarterback every year for the rest of the time football is being played.
In terms of comparing him to players at his position and the amount of havoc he caused in games, he is the best at his position. If you compare Rodgers to the other qb's in the league and then Watt to the other guys at his position....he is light years better than all of them.
Quote:thats the point i was going to make
aaron rodgers is the most valuable player in the nfl
i also hate the love ins certain players get
i switched off the draft coverage because i was fed up of listening to a rehash of johnny manziels fall even on the 3rd day. So glad he's playing shite
Actually at this point it might be Andrew Luck who is the most valuable player in the league by the "who would you pick first" metric. He's a lot younger than Rodgers.
Still I think all of this consternation over the lack of respect for Watt is moronic. No one is disrespecting him here.
When your expectation is for people to be giving him wet sloppy kisses and groveling at his feet then it's your problem that you perceive a lack of respect/recognition.
Quote:I hate the Texans but there's no doubt in my mind he's the best player in the league. Most valuable? I would have to say no simply because defensive players traditionally don't score points, which is the way to win. But outside of that, he's MVP for sure.
Maybe traditionally, but Watt does. I agree he is the best player in world. I think he should be the MVP. The Texans would of won 2 games without Watt
Honestly, they should take out most valuable player in the league. It should be best player in the league. You shouldn't get more point just because you play a certain position. You should be graded on how you play relative to that position IMO. Anyways, even so Watt has a great argument. It doesn't matter if they made the playoffs. Was Watt the most valuable player to his team? An argument can be made that he won, almost single handily, (and I realize they still have to score points) many games by himself. If the Texans didn't have Watt, wouldn't they be 3-5 games worse? How many defensive players can ever make that argument?
Watt channels his inner rick Flair.
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Do not care if the guy wins MVP or not, he's the MVP in my eyes.. And the argument that he feasted against weak lines within the division is a stupid argument, he only took advantage of what was in front of him as did Justin Houston.. Doing that is the difference between having a 10 sack season and a 20+ sack season.. Not everybody does it.
I don't care if the weak lines/match ups happen to come within division or not, every player faces them during a 16 game schedule.. Those who can capitalize on them while also taking advantage of the other teams with good lines are the special players and are the one's who separate themselves from the pack.
And for the sack geeks who want to act like Justin Houston had a better year, because he finished with more sacks. Sacks are great, but you're more disruptive when you're always around the QB (reason why Watt forced so many turnovers and Houston's defense led in turnovers)
QB disruptions (sacks, hits, and hurries)
J.J. WATT 119
Justin Houston 84
That doesn't even get into the batted down passes, FFs, and FRs
Except the afc west is really good. You should put up those ff/frs and pds isn't fair as Houston plays lb. Tfl and tackles would be interesting too
Quote:Except the afc west is really good. You should put up those ff/frs and pds isn't fair as Houston plays lb. Tfl and tackles would be interesting too
"He was a LBer" really.. Lol
Derrick Thomas was a LBer too. don't try to act like in their scheme LBers aren't pass rushers and don't have the same opportunity to strip and recover fumbles either. Hell traditional LBers do that all the time, next you're going to try to tell me LT was just a LBer given LBacker duties and wasn't unleashed to rush the passer, LOL
Keep up the comedy bro
Quote:Do not care if the guy wins MVP or not, he's the MVP in my eyes.. And the argument that he feasted against weak lines within the division is a stupid argument, he only took advantage of what was in front of him as did Justin Houston.. Doing that is the difference between having a 10 sack season and a 20+ sack season.. Not everybody does it.
That's just it, against the Jaguars and Titans, everyone DID do it.
Quote:Except the afc west is really good. You should put up those ff/frs and pds isn't fair as Houston plays lb. Tfl and tackles would be interesting too
Hey, if he was a traditional LBer.. That would cause him to drop back into coverage wouldn't it? Please tell me why he didn't make more plays on the ball given more opportunities than Watt? How about instead of being butt hurt you just give credit where credit is due.
Quote:That's just it, against the Jaguars and Titans, everyone DID do it.
So everyone who played the Jags and Titans had 20+ sacks this season? It's a stupid argument. The previous poster claimed how great the afc west was.. Go look how many sacks Houston had against the Chargers
Quote:So everyone who played the Jags and Titans had 20+ sacks this season? It's a stupid argument. The previous poster claimed how great the afc west was.. Go look how many sacks Houston had against the Chargers
I wish I could tell you Jaguar fans were smarter than this, but...
Quote:I wish I could tell you Jaguar fans were smarter than this, but...
I didn't look at any of the stats I just wanted to know what they were and assumed they would be different. And I know he is a pass rushing lb the watt fan is dumb in trying to say that and that tfls and tackles wouldn't matter
Quote:So everyone who played the Jags and Titans had 20+ sacks this season? It's a stupid argument. The previous poster claimed how great the afc west was.. Go look how many sacks Houston had against the Chargers
I'm talking about how Watt took advantage of what was in front of him. Every DL that played against the Jaguars did that. You make it sound like Watt was the exception.
Has someone told you that Houston should be MVP? Otherwise, it doesn't matter how many he had against the Chargers. Watt is a phenomenal athlete and the best DL in the league, but I don't think he should be MVP.
Watt didn't even have the most sacks against the Jaguars (in 1 game) from 1 player; Kerrigan had 4 sacks.
5 games with 3 sacks, 2 games with 5 sacks, 4 games with 4 sacks, 2 games with 2 sacks, 1 game with 1 sack, AND 1 game with 7 sacks and another with 8 sacks.
Sacking a Jaguars QB is NOT a hard thing to do. I'd expect a moderately talent DL to pull in a lot of sacks if they had 2 games against us.
Quote:I wish I could tell you Jaguar fans were smarter than this, but...
I suppose if you don't believe he's MVP, then you're stupid? My whole point was that 10 sacks between 2 horrible OLs should be a knock on him when you're weighing a 20-sack season and the MVP title.
Quote:http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bJyW3P6Qw7U
Yep I'd rather have Justin Houston.. Watt is just a try hard player 
1 person said that and everyone else is showing praise.
You take this entirely too personal.
Quote:1 person said that and everyone else is showing praise.
You take this entirely too personal.
LOL, A turd in the punch bowl always ruins the party, I wasn't talking about y'all.. Next time I'll use the quote button.
Quote:I'm talking about how Watt took advantage of what was in front of him. Every DL that played against the Jaguars did that. You make it sound like Watt was the exception.
Has someone told you that Houston should be MVP? Otherwise, it doesn't matter how many he had against the Chargers. Watt is a phenomenal athlete and the best DL in the league, but I don't think he should be MVP.
Watt didn't even have the most sacks against the Jaguars (in 1 game) from 1 player; Kerrigan had 4 sacks.
5 games with 3 sacks, 2 games with 5 sacks, 4 games with 4 sacks, 2 games with 2 sacks, 1 game with 1 sack, AND 1 game with 7 sacks and another with 8 sacks.
Sacking a Jaguars QB is NOT a hard thing to do. I'd expect a moderately talent DL to pull in a lot of sacks if they had 2 games against us.
I suppose if you don't believe he's MVP, then you're stupid? My whole point was that 10 sacks between 2 horrible OLs should be a knock on him when you're weighing a 20-sack season and the MVP title.
Yup, because that's exactly what I said. SMH, you're proving my point.
Furthermore: have you watched Watt play?
Lol, he made the all pro team at two positions.. 1st team DE, 2nd team DT.
JJ watt scored more TD's that my fantasy RB... He deserves to win the MVP this year.