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Quote:The fans didn't show up in the 2nd half so the team didn't either...

 

 

They know the Jags suck in the second half.  Smart fans

Cold florida weather + rain = empty seats.. Who cares.. As long as tickets are still being sold. That's the bottom line that Khan is going to see.

Quote:Cold florida weather + rain = empty seats.. Who cares.. As long as tickets are still being sold. That's the bottom line that Khan is going to see.

 

I think in the near future we may see that wont be the case

Quote:I think in the near future we may see that wont be the case

 

If it hasn't happened yet, I don't expect it to.. This fan base has been through hell and back and they still buy tickets.. All the negative media, all the crappy play, all the relocation talk.. Yet they're still buying tickets.. 

 

Trends will continue.. 

HAHAHAHA. We've sold more tickets than many many teams this year. This board is so stupid.

 

Attendence doesn't even have anything to do with relocation. We have better attendence numbers than last year.

 

Idiots.

An exciting offense will keep people in the stands. When we struggle on offense =  unloyal fans become bored and leave. Tickets are still being sold much more than in previous years, we are fine. We haven't had too many exciting plays this year on offense. Something Marqise Lee is going to have to become, something Blackmon was. I wish we could have a sunday or monday night game so bad but this is what hurts us.

This is what is wrong with this fanbase. You don't go to the games because you're not approving of the product all of a sudden it's a threat of relocation. You buy tickets to this crap and the team does nothing to improve the product and feed you deception and lies telling you it's getting better. People in Jacksonville has only one professional team and some other semi pro type teams and are afraid to lose the one major player they have.


The Jaguars know this so they can continue to sell you this trash, and know these cowards who defend this bad team will continue to show up in fear of losing it. Dallas fans don't show up because they're tired of going 8-8. The Jags' fans will shell out cash to watch the most putrid product in the league because of fear; and they have no choice but to like it.

Quote:An exciting offense will keep people in the stands. When we struggle on offense =  unloyal fans become bored and leave. Tickets are still being sold much more than in previous years, we are fine. We haven't had too many exciting plays this year on offense. Something Marqise Lee is going to have to become, something Blackmon was. I wish we could have a sunday or monday night game so bad but this is what hurts us.

 

I don't see it that way.. Those aren't unloyal fans.. They're buying tickets to a dumpster fire.. Those are the most loyal fans in the NFL.. 

The money Khan invested in scoreboards, locker rooms, et. al. is known as "lease hold improvements" and he does get credit for depreciation on these assets to hold the lease. In my original restaurant I bought new air conditioning units because the existing ones didn't cool it to my satisfaction.  The building owner wouldn't purchase new ones because he didn't think they were necessary. I was able to depreciate the ones I bought for his building.

 

As far as the lease itself goes, as long as he pays the rent he's fulfilling the obligations of his lease as far as I can tell. When Weaver owned the Jags the lease agreement had a clause in it that required the Jags to play all their home games at Everbank Stadium, but we now know that clause has been amended since Khan is playing home games in London. It's my estimation Khan could move the team and still pay the rent at Everbank without having to open his books.

 

Regards.........................the Chiefjag

Quote:HAHAHAHA. We've sold more tickets than many many teams this year. This board is so stupid.

 

Attendence doesn't even have anything to do with relocation. We have better attendence numbers than last year.

 

Idiots.

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Quote:I was under the impression that with the TV money that teams split up, it was almost impossible for teams to lose money on their bottom line. Correct or incorrect?

 

Correct.   It is almost impossible for an NFL team to lose money.  

Quote:The money Khan invested in scoreboards, locker rooms, et. al. is known as "lease hold improvements" and he does get credit for depreciation on these assets to hold the lease. In my original restaurant I bought new air conditioning units because the existing ones didn't cool it to my satisfaction.  The building owner wouldn't purchase new ones because he didn't think they were necessary. I was able to depreciate the ones I bought for his building.

 

As far as the lease itself goes, as long as he pays the rent he's fulfilling the obligations of his lease as far as I can tell. When Weaver owned the Jags the lease agreement had a clause in it that required the Jags to play all their home games at Everbank Stadium, but we now know that clause has been amended since Khan is playing home games in London. It's my estimation Khan could move the team and still pay the rent at Everbank without having to open his books.

 

Regards.........................the Chiefjag

 

Yes good point.  I thought about that too, but I was getting myself confused.  The only difference here is that the city did pay a big chunk for the upgrades.  So im wondering who has the assets on their books.  That would be like if your landlord and yourself split the cost on the A/C unit.

 

I also wonder if the "open the books" thing even applies if they just buyout the lease agreement.  Which the NFL could do if Jacksonville is not profitable.

 

Yes, the NFL shares revenue, but Jacksonville is just a segment of that pie that has its own record keeping.  If the NFL has an opportunity to relocate a team from a non-profitable area to an area with more potential, would they not do it?

Quote:Correct.   It is almost impossible for an NFL team to lose money.  

 

But what if Jacksonville, as a segment, is not contributing enough (or possibly hurting) the overall profit the NFL shares?  That would certainly be the main focus of any kind of bargaining.

Quote:But what if Jacksonville, as a segment, is not contributing enough (or possibly hurting) the overall profit the NFL shares?  That would certainly be the main focus of any kind of bargaining.

 

You were wrong. Let it go.

Quote:You were wrong. Let it go.

 

no im right about this.  if Jacksonville is only profitable because of shared revenue, it's not really profitable.  That would not be hard to argue in a courtroom.  You wouldn't even need a smart lawyer to argue that one.

Quote:But what if Jacksonville, as a segment, is not contributing enough (or possibly hurting) the overall profit the NFL shares?  That would certainly be the main focus of any kind of bargaining.

 

You know, I always tell my kid that we don't do "what if" questions.  If you have to ask "what if", then it means what you're asking isn't happening and you shouldn't be worried enough to ask about it.

Quote:You know, I always tell my kid that we don't do "what if" questions.  If you have to ask "what if", then it means what you're asking isn't happening and you shouldn't be worried enough to ask about it.

 

im not worried, im just making the argument that it's possible.  especially when you consider all the expenses that have, without a doubt, been significant.

 

I don't think it would be as difficult to show a loss as you might think.  Eliminate the shared revenue that Jacksonville contributes very little to, and its not making much.  London would be their only savior... assuming they don't want to just move there.  Then you would have a London vs Jacksonville case which we would lose.

Quote:no im right about this. if Jacksonville is only profitable because of shared revenue, it's not really profitable. That would not be hard to argue in a courtroom. You wouldn't even need a smart lawyer to argue that one.

That argument could be applied towards any team not named the Cowboys, Packers, or Patriots. And yet no team has relocated because of that reasoning. Shared revenue works because it provides a level playing field for the smaller market teams vs the large market teams. without it the NFL would end up like the MLB. This particular business model works and is the main reason why football has overtaken baseball as "America's sport".

Until this team gets a decent Safety (and CBs) they wont be able to stop the passing attack, heck even the running game was established mainly because the Offense is so bad and the Defense gets tired.

I dunno .. so many things are wrong on this team.. on Defense its clearly the FS to start with... Josh Evans makes a couple good tackles but he messes up big on other plays...

none of the DBs can get an INT all year....

 

and On offense our Running game is pathetic.  Sure D-Rob towards the end of the season shows a few bursts but when the Defense expects the run he usually gets stuffed for no gain.

A lot of that is the Olines fault which is part of the reason the passing game is so bad...


Clearly the team needs a better Oline going fwd...


I have to think that Fisch is probably on such thin ice that its melted to water at this point...

Quote:hmm, alright. So attendance is irrelevant? I mean, it's ridic bad right now and is a likely indicator of future ticket sales.

Attendance is fine for a small market team that's losing. There were plenty of people down there at the game. It's just they either left early or moved inside during the second half. Not a major issue at all.