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Quote:8-14 TD-INT is pretty bad. Im not suggesting the team do anything but stick it out with Bortles. At the same time I'm not really liking what I'm seeing. even for a rookie, he's got some big issues that I'm not sure will ever improve to the point where he's a solid starter in the league.
I'd love to believe that he's going to be the next Big Ben.... I just dont see it right now. Maybe he suddenly gets better before the year closes out. idk
This is your issue. This is a process and you can't seem to understand that even though this is a pretty damn easy concept.
Quote:Pretty easy to be 60% when 90% of your passes are screens, check downs, 5 yards outs, and 5 yard slants.
Sounds like your problem is Jedd Fisch, not Blake Bortles
I really don't like the offensive playcalling. Fisch acts like this is the NCAA and everyone is dumb enough to fall for the same screen passes 8 times a game.
Quote:There is now enough film on BB5 for poor tendencies to be exposed and exploited... It causes a regression in most rookie QBs and Bortles is no exception.
Bortles was a very raw high ceiling player that wasn't supposed to start his first season... Now he is playing and exceeding the expectations of most unbiased analysts. I get being mad at Bradley, Caldwell, and Henne, but if Bortles performance is failing to meet your expectations I think the problem is you're expectations.
This is the only cognizant post in this entire thread, thank you
Quote:Again do you guys still think Blake will be better than Derek Carr?
Guy, Derek Carr has been mostly ineffective. Every time he gets blitzed he panics and throws an incompletion and he's not as mobile as Bortles either. Bortles has moved the ball really well for a rookie QB, neither Carr or Bridgewater is averaging as many yards-per-attempt as Bortles. Without the interceptions I don't think this is even up for debate and we all know it's hard to find a rookie QB who DOESNT throw a lot of picks. But upside/potential wise, Bortles definitely has more to offer than Carr or Bridgewater; if you offered me the choice of having a decent QB now or a great QB 2-3 years later I will always pick the second option.
Quote:Guy, Derek Carr has been mostly ineffective. Every time he gets blitzed he panics and throws an incompletion and he's not as mobile as Bortles either. Bortles has moved the ball really well for a rookie QB, neither Carr or Bridgewater is averaging as many yards-per-attempt as Bortles. Without the interceptions I don't think this is even up for debate and we all know it's hard to find a rookie QB who DOESNT throw a lot of picks. But upside/potential wise, Bortles definitely has more to offer than Carr or Bridgewater; if you offered me the choice of having a decent QB now or a great QB 2-3 years later I will always pick the second option.
The same things that Carr did in college that scared me he's still doing now. With Bortles, I can see where he's worked on his game. With Carr, he doesn't look different at all. I like having a QB who can respond to coaching and develop.
Quote:This is your issue. This is a process and you can't seem to understand that even though this is a pretty damn easy concept.
No, my issue is he does not look good during his development process. I'm not making a prediction. I'm just saying it worries me. It doesn't keep me up at night. I just wish he would show us more. Maybe he will.
Here is my grade on him (not that my grade matters or that im an expert):
Accuracy: C-
Arm Strength: B+ (he has an arm when he does throw a duck)
Decision making: F
Footwork: D (very inconsistent)
Pocket awareness: A (the one thing that gives me hope)
Mobility: A
Quote:No, my issue is he does not look good during his development process. I'm not making a prediction. I'm just saying it worries me. It doesn't keep me up at night. I just wish he would show us more. Maybe he will.
Here is my grade on him (not that my grade matters or that im an expert):
Accuracy: C-
Arm Strength: B+ (he has an arm when he does throw a duck)
Decision making: F
Footwork: D (very inconsistent)
Pocket awareness: A (the one thing that gives me hope)
Mobility: A
Both accuracy and arm strength will improve with footwork. He only throws ugly ducks when he doesn't set his feet. Honestly I think Bortles is pretty accurate when he wants to be, a lot of his interceptions were good throws, just bad reads. And at least give his decision making a D, you don't throw over 200 yards per game without making some good decisions and seeing some weak spots in the defense.
Also what's up badger. Finally decided that I post way more jags talk on AP than they wanna hear hahaha so I just got an account here also.
Quote:Both accuracy and arm strength will improve with footwork. He only throws ugly ducks when he doesn't set his feet. Honestly I think Bortles is pretty accurate when he wants to be, a lot of his interceptions were good throws, just bad reads. And at least give his decision making a D, you don't throw over 200 yards per game without making some good decisions and seeing some weak spots in the defense.
Also what's up badger. Finally decided that I post way more jags talk on AP than they wanna hear hahaha so I just got an account here also.
that's why I put the C grade there. he isn't completely off all the time.
ya I don't know how you didn't find this place sooner. you don't have to worry about people crying about jaguars talk here.
Quote:Pretty easy to be 60% when 90% of your passes are screens, check downs, 5 yards outs, and 5 yard slants.
Car throws a lot more screen passes than Bortles and is 58%.
people on this forum clearly don't watch football outside of the Jags if they think Bortles is really terrible.
Quote:Guy, Derek Carr has been mostly ineffective. Every time he gets blitzed he panics and throws an incompletion and he's not as mobile as Bortles either. Bortles has moved the ball really well for a rookie QB, neither Carr or Bridgewater is averaging as many yards-per-attempt as Bortles. Without the interceptions I don't think this is even up for debate and we all know it's hard to find a rookie QB who DOESNT throw a lot of picks. But upside/potential wise, Bortles definitely has more to offer than Carr or Bridgewater; if you offered me the choice of having a decent QB now or a great QB 2-3 years later I will always pick the second option.
Show me the game Blake threw 4 TD and beat team the caliber of KC oh wait.....
Quote:Show me the game Blake threw 4 TD and beat team the caliber of KC oh wait.....
Great argument dude because one game makes a quarterback good
Quote:Car throws a lot more screen passes than Bortles and is 58%.
people on this forum clearly don't watch football outside of the Jags if they think Bortles is really terrible.
its not like our offense is stretching the field either
Bortles:
240 yards per game
63% completions
6.9 yards per attempt
Carr:
204 yards per game
58% completions
5.2 yards per attempt (which is really, really awful and the main stat that Bortles is doing way better -- he averages 2 more YPA than Carr despite getting sacked and losing yards THREE TIMES AS OFTEN)
Bortles INT ratio is the bad part obviously but he is moving the ball and giving us a chance to score and compete. Carr's team is lucky to score 14 points these days because so many of his drives stall out and he isn't throwing downfield much at all.
Quote:No, my issue is he does not look good during his development process. I'm not making a prediction. I'm just saying it worries me. It doesn't keep me up at night. I just wish he would show us more. Maybe he will.
Here is my grade on him (not that my grade matters or that im an expert):
Accuracy: C-
Arm Strength: B+ (he has an arm when he does throw a duck)
Decision making: F
Footwork: D (very inconsistent)
Pocket awareness: A (the one thing that gives me hope)
Mobility: A
Explaining this to you is no use. It's been said millions of times.
Quote:Bortles:
240 yards per game
63% completions
6.9 yards per attempt
Carr:
204 yards per game
58% completions
5.2 yards per attempt (which is really, really awful and the main stat that Bortles is doing way better -- he averages 2 more YPA than Carr despite getting sacked and losing yards THREE TIMES AS OFTEN)
Bortles INT ratio is the bad part obviously but he is moving the ball and giving us a chance to score and compete. Carr's team is lucky to score 14 points these days because so many of his drives stall out and he isn't throwing downfield much at all.
They need something to complain about, is all.
Quote:Explaining this to you is no use. It's been said millions of times.
They need something to complain about, is all.
calm down man. not everybody is going to agree on here. deal with it.
I like Bortles. im just concerned by the things im seeing. I know he's a rookie, but I also know that some of this stuff MIGHT NOT improve to the point necessary to make him a good starter for us. things MIGHT NOT work out. and given our history, odds are it wont, so call me a pessimist if you want.
Yeah like Carr wins one game and now everybody is all over him... Did you not watch the game? They literally went up 17-0 in the first quarter -- not because of Carr but because of a 90 yard TD run and a recovered fumble -- then stalled the entire game, with Carr unable to get a first down on multiple drives, allowed 20 unanswered points and lost the lead, then FINALLY with the fourth quarter half over, Carr has a TD drive (which by the way took 7 minutes and included lots of running plays, it was not a 2 minute drill like Blake has also showed us he can manage.) He really didn't play that well and if one of those two QB sneaks got stuffed on the last drive, they would have lost and he would have thrown less than 150 yards and no TDs.
That SD team he threw 4 touchdowns on earlier this season? Just like teams have been adjusting to Bortles and taking advantage of his weaknesses, SD did the same thing in their second matchup and held Carr/the raiders to 6 points and no touchdowns last Sunday. I'm telling you the grass is not greener on the other side. Next year Winston will probably get himself into more trouble and Mariota will ride the bench because he doesn't know how to pass from the pocket and you'll realize that Bortles' performance really isn't that terrible for a rookie QB in the grand scheme of things.
Bortles has a lot of issues, but a lot of upside.
If he can work out those issues, he can be very good for us.
There is a chance he doesn't improve also, and he will be bad for us.
It's as simple as that.
Wait and see.
Quote:Great argument dude because one game makes a quarterback good
Thanks Chris Berman
Bortles has a lot more upside than Carr and I'm pumped we have Blake. However Sammy/Mike Evans and Carr would have looked pretty darn good in Jag uniforms.
Quote:Bortles has a lot more upside than Carr and I'm pumped we have Blake. However Sammy/Mike Evans and Carr would have looked pretty darn good in Jag uniforms.
There is only one of those guys who would have been accepted here at our spot and that's Sammy. If Dave had taken Evans or Carr at that spot he would have been crucified.
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