Quote:Sack totals? QB pressure? This comment really makes the least sense out of all the nonsense you've sprayed on the board lately.
The d-line is aboslutely improved. Like a complete 180 turnaround. Then you put 5-6 rookies starting on offense, when and where are you supposed to get the rest of your players to fix your defense by now?
If the team is lacking 20 quality starters, how do you replace them all in just two drafts? logic, not even once. But for the sake of argument, go ahead and tell me in the last 2 offseasons, which vets you would have signed in FA to fill the holes? We'll assume you keep 2 of our Gene Smith starters (Smith and Pot Roast???) and your draft classes are the same. How do you fix all the other holes in just 2 offseasons?
inb4 I dont know, but Dave's supposed to figure it out.
The veteran experience on the offensive side of the ball is lacking horribly. That should never happen. We needed more skill position vets. Decker would have been a decent addition.
Quote:The veteran experience on the offensive side of the ball is lacking horribly. That should never happen. We needed more skill position vets. Decker would have been a decent addition.
Why? So he could be overpaid and injured here instead of NY? No thanks.
The guys who are going through the growing pains now on offense will be those vets in another season or two. The WR's are maturing faster than I thought they would. No reason to bring older guys in who won't actually benefit the on-field product.
Quote:Sometimes there is also a maturation that has to take place. You see things differently from 21 to 22 and so on. No one is set when they come out of the womb.
Sometimes it take practice then experience to realize you need to practice different to get a desired result. That's why the process takes time. People have to progress at there own place.
Look how long it took for Alex Smith to get where he is and is still only decent. Meanwhile AJ Green and Luck have dominated from day one. It's just a process of life. Football or not.
Jesus, how many times must it be said. This isnt a high school or college program, you dont draft a bunch of guys, start them, and hope they mature. You gotta find a way through any means to put a halfway respectable product on the field each year. People are paying good money to watch these games.
At this point, i wouldnt blame anyone for ending their season ticket ownership. This team still hasnt given the fans the product they deserve.
Quote:Why? So he could be overpaid and injured here instead of NY? No thanks.
The guys who are going through the growing pains now on offense will be those vets in another season or two. The WR's are maturing faster than I thought they would. No reason to bring older guys in who won't actually benefit the on-field product.
Yeah, after 2 more seasons in a losing culture, im sure theyll all be quality starters
Quote:If you have watched this team the past few weeks and don't see the improvement, well you're just an ignorant hater. Same people, every week every year. Just go root for a winner, dallas will take all you bandwagon losers.
Certainly helps when you're playing the lowly steelers and titans. "We're more competitive". Against [BLEEP] competition.
Quote: This team still hasnt given the fans the product they deserve.
No, they haven't given us the team we deserve yet, but they've given us the QB we need right now. They've given us hope. They've given us... our Dark Knight.
Quote:I hope they give Gus another year so we can have these same discussions all year on here about the same thing.
Sad, but probably true....
Quote:Jesus, how many times must it be said. This isnt a high school or college program, you dont draft a bunch of guys, start them, and hope they mature. You gotta find a way through any means to put a halfway respectable product on the field each year. People are paying good money to watch these games.
At this point, i wouldnt blame anyone for ending their season ticket ownership. This team still hasnt given the fans the product they deserve.
And if they want to stop paying that's fine. That's their choice to do what they want with there money. I'm just telling you about the process that's taking place. You don't have to like it or agree with it but that's what's happening.
Quote:NO other roster has been purged so much of veteran talent. Therefore there is NO example of this working.
well then there is no example of it failing either...time will tell...no one can reasonably expect this team to do a whole lot with the amount of turnover he created on purpose
Quote:The veteran experience on the offensive side of the ball is lacking horribly. That should never happen. We needed more skill position vets. Decker would have been a decent addition.
I agree it should never happen, but now that it did, how would you propose to fill all the holes in 2 drafts? Caldwell is filling this roster with HIS guys, just as all GMs do, 2 drafts simply is not enough to create the offense and defense he is wanting and there really wasn't a whole lot in FA to help his cause
I think GMs and coaches get so caught up in their strategies and plans that they often outsmart themselves. This was obviously the case with Bortles. The kid should have been starting from week 1 and it really shouldn't have even been a debate. It was blatantly obvious. Unfortunately, the season was more or less mailed in by the time he saw any action.
I love having an owner who can wield his power when necessary to instill some common sense. Not saying that's necessarily what Khan did, but history has proven that he can do that.
Quote:Jesus, how many times must it be said. This isnt a high school or college program, you dont draft a bunch of guys, start them, and hope they mature. You gotta find a way through any means to put a halfway respectable product on the field each year. People are paying good money to watch these games.
At this point, i wouldnt blame anyone for ending their season ticket ownership. This team still hasnt given the fans the product they deserve.
Tell that to the Redskins and the Raiders. Open up the checkbook and sign a bunch of "has been" veterans. Where has that gotten them?
Quote: This isnt a high school or college program, you dont draft a bunch of guys, start them, and hope they mature.
The guy in charge obviously disagrees.
Quote:The Jaguars are 0-6, just as they were last season at this point, but general Manager David Caldwell believes the franchise has made progress in the rebuild, writes the Florida Times-Union's Ryan O'Halloran. "... We're close to being where we thought we'd be," Caldwell said.
It's a long term rebuild. Hard to wait it out -- but that's the only option for us Jaguars fans.
Quote:A lot of people seem to think that Khan will be perfectly content to let gus and staff stay on regardless of the end of season record.
However, I think we got a preview of Khan's mindset in week 3. Bradley made the qb switch, and khan shows up at the postgame press conference. Coincidence? Probably not. Gus and dave were steadfast in their belief that Blake should sit all year up until that week. Khan must have said something.
There's patience and then there's standing by while everything around you burns. If they do worse than 4 wins this year, you could hardly blame him for firing the staff.
Khan didn't order the QB change. Showing up at the post game presser was a show of support for the decision.
Gus and Dave weren't "steadfast in their belief that Blake should sit all year up until that week." They'd said from the moment he was drafted that he would start when he was ready. Guess what? He started when he was ready. Find one quote post draft of either guy saying they steadfastly planned to sit Bortles his entire rookie season. It doesn't exist.
You're going to be really disappointed when Gus is back next year regardless of the schedule, but there's a plan in place, and Khan has signed off on what they're doing. He is smart enough to know that there would be struggles before it got better.
Quote:Jesus, how many times must it be said. This isnt a high school or college program, you dont draft a bunch of guys, start them, and hope they mature. You gotta find a way through any means to put a halfway respectable product on the field each year
. People are paying good money to watch these games.
At this point, i wouldnt blame anyone for ending their season ticket ownership. This team still hasnt given the fans the product they deserve.
That's exactly what you do! Then you do the best you can with what you got while building the roster with young studs that you plan to keep for the next 10 years...Or you can try and buy your way into a year of being good like washington (IIRC) did by overpaying hi priced free agents and have it blow up in your face and come right back to where they realized they needed to rebuild their roster which is exactly why Caldwell is doing what he's doing...The one thing Gene Smith did that was correct, which was to say it would be at least a 4 year rebuild, he just couldn't draft the right players
Quote:well then there is no example of it failing either...time will tell...no one can reasonably expect this team to do a whole lot with the amount of turnover he created on purpose
Exactly. This notion that it's wrong because no team has done it this way is ridiculous. The Jaguars have said from the start with this regime that they were going to do things differently to make a small market team capable of competing with the big boys without having to over-extend themselves to do so. This is a NEW model they're creating, and one that a lot of small or mid-sized market teams are tracking very closely.
Quote:Khan didn't order the QB change. Showing up at the post game presser was a show of support for the decision.
Gus and Dave weren't "steadfast in their belief that Blake should sit all year up until that week." They'd said from the moment he was drafted that he would start when he was ready. Guess what? He started when he was ready. Find one quote post draft of either guy saying they steadfastly planned to sit Bortles his entire rookie season. It doesn't exist.
You're going to be really disappointed when Gus is back next year regardless of the schedule, but there's a plan in place, and Khan has signed off on what they're doing. He is smart enough to know that there would be struggles before it got better.
the other thing, is they never said Bortles would not play, they said he would not start...There is a huge difference between not starting and not playing at all
Quote:the other thing, is they never said Bortles would not play, they said he would not start...There is a huge difference between not starting and not playing at all
Agreed, but the point that some here continually harp over about how Gus and Dave said he wouldn't start as a rookie is a complete fantasy. They never said that. They may have said something to that effect before the draft, but once he was selected, when they were asked, the answer was always the same.
It doesn't really matter because we weren't likely playoff bound anyway, but I think we can all (hopefully) agree that Bortles sitting the first few weeks really wasn't going to make a difference. The kid is a stud and 100 times the QB Henne has ever been and ever will be. The notion that he would "play when he was ready" is totally arbitrary, vague, and dumb. "Look he's playing now so that's when they decided he was ready! This was their plan all along! Perfect!" Yeah... So he was ready at halftime of the Colts game but not before the game? Give me a break.
I'm just glad Gus realized his mistake, that Henne was absolute trash (although he did much later than just about everyone else in the football watching world) and swallowed his pride to name the kid the starter. Should've been a no brainer from day one. And I think that was the first huge error that has resulted in a ton of snowballing displeasure for Bradley in 2014.
Quote:Agreed, but the point that some here continually harp over about how Gus and Dave said he wouldn't start as a rookie is a complete fantasy. They never said that. They may have said something to that effect before the draft, but once he was selected, when they were asked, the answer was always the same.
and now the fact that he is starting is supposed to be the magic wand that fixes everything and we should be racking up the wins (some posters seem to believe)